Shaun Deeb 100k to 1M 17% body fat bet with Bill Perkins

Enabler detected.

This is flat out wrong. You do not have an 'uncontrollable impulse' to take your first pill, first injection, first hit of whatever, etc.. You make that CHOICE and because you make that choice to start and then continue to make bad choices, then and only then it turns into an uncontrollable impulse to have to continue to take that drug or substance. Even then you usually do not have an uncontrollable impulse to keep going. You choose to keep going because most people are just too weak and afraid at that point to do what is needed to get off of whatever they are on. They can't handle the physical withdrawal symptoms, which granted can be ridiculously awful if it is opiates.

Terrible logic.

It isn't like there were lots of processed foods or drinks with HFCS in the 1800's.

You have the cause and effect backwards.

One of the reasons Americans are so obese is because there are so many processed foods (and HFCS) products that are easily (i.e cheap and readily in the stores) in America versus other countries.

This is partly because of laws (look at sugar cane import laws), partly due to culture (Americans are taught ar a young age not to walk anywhere, we are a car culture), part of it is due to diet.

It is complicated.

It is also a choice to be ignorant of the genetics and science.

What happens if a chronically ignorant person suddenly starts educating themselves?

Problem fatty?

LoL, that is one way to ignore lots of research and instead projecting an uninformed, ignorant opinion onto others.

Maybe chronic ignorance is a disease. That is a serious wonder

I believe some people are wired to eat more and feel hungry quicker. How they still that hunger is a choice in my book.

So please inform me as I am ignorant...
Which gene makes someone compulsed to walk into a KFC each day and order the biggest bucket?

The ultimate result of thinking like you is that you can never expect anything of anyone as you believe that will power, self control and related factors are wholly biological and not under the individual's control. It doesnt take a genius to envision what the world would look like if this was accepted fact and influenced law, policies etc. The other guy's point about rapists which you conveniently skirt around is spot on.

If common law said that rape was not the fault of the individual, but biological factors, and consequences (both in terms of public perception of rapists and punishment for the crime) were more lenient because "its a disease" or "its just how biology works", potential rapists would have less reason to control themselves. Its the same with obesity.

It comes down to a perception of human philosophy and its not possible to come to any agreement with you because your view of humans is fundamentally different.

And mainly down to poor self control and discipline in American culture - with movements such as "fat positivity" urging people to just stuff themselves with crap and "love their body" despite ruining it with poor decisions.

Are all eating disorder a lack of impulse control or just specific ones?

A civilized nation is one where hunger is not a problem.

No one is undeserving because of where they were born or live, why do you ask that question as though that's something I said or implied? That's a strawman argument. No one is deserving of charity from another let alone having things taken from them by force and redistributed no matter where someone is born.

You already know? Lol, are you in my head? Good for me to think about? Ah so I've met my moral superior, good on you having achieved enlightenment. Congrats.

Here here! Give this man a medal. And clearly namisgr77 believes that serial rapists have a disease. He's a rape apologist he's just too tactful to actually say that out loud because he realizes how awful it would sound to excuse and diminish the actions of a rapist. Me personally I think rape is bad and rapists should be thrown under the jail for the rest of their lives and I don't have a problem saying that. Guys like namisgr77 thinks it's a disease and it's not their fault, they can't help themselves.

So don't eat them. And walk. Wow so hard.

People being lazy and eating **** is the problem.

You're literally providing my point for me.

lol JIML, that is all.

The pparg gene

AI helped me with this:
The pparg gene provides instructions for producing the PPAR-gamma protein, which acts as a master regulator of fat storage and glucose metabolism. It directs how the body creates new fat cells, controls inflammation, and dictates insulin sensitivity.

So it can certainly make someone more prone to becoming/staying fat... Which I dont think anybody is denying.

But again, how does this pparg gene compel someone to walk into a KFC each day and order the biggest bucket?

Insulin sensitivity

A low insulin sensitivity causes a craving for sweets and more issue losing weight. Not the choice to give into those cravings with the most unhealthy foods or the extreme over-excessive amounts of it. Otherwise everyone with low insulin sensitivity would be obese and that isnt the case.

Basically its a dicussion about free will and impulse control and my view is that people who lack it dont have a disease. Im not disputing that its way harder for them, but even with insulin sensitive genes the choice is theirs. I also feel things like obese body positivity or handing out free passes for the foreseeable and inevitable consequences isnt doing any good. But this is more of a culture issue than anything else.

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So where do you draw the line?

What about bulimic people? What about drug or alcohol addiction or gambling addiction for that matter?

Nobody is putting a gun to your head and force feeds them their poison of choice either.

I am not a fan of the body positivity movement but its simply a reaction to the fact that a lot of abuse and cruelty is hurled at a lot of fat people.

I cant help but feel that a lot of people here in this thread just like to be shitty to fat people because they are a convenient target to abuse.

I mean the fat ass eating 3 cheese burgers is to be ridiculed and abused for being fat but the guy breaking his back in a free climbing accident isn't.

Both are avoidable and unnecessary.

The difference is just one is a convenient target and you can pretend like you are being righteous while getting a cheap thrill out of being cruel.

I have no interest in being cruel or to ridicule a specific group. I've said multiple times its way harder for people with those sensitivities, but I do feel the specific foods and portions they eat is largely a combination of choice and culture (so not a disease imo).

If a free climber taking unnecessary and excessive risks breaks his back I think its perfectly fine to say "You’ve made your bed, now lie in it." Just like motorcyclists without helmets/protection or people runnings vs the bulls. I'm not from a place where thats accepted but I havent heard anyone say ever they feel bad for the guy being pierced by the bull, no matter how badly hurt he was. Even though he probably grew up in a culture where thats normal, I feel he should know better. I think in any case its fair to hold people accountable for their own actions and thus also the consequences that follow.

This is false, as proven by my having written that FOR MANY (I didn't write 'for all') morbidly obese people, changes in diet and exercise by themselves are not enough. And as proven by my having written that the disease of morbid obesity is under the influence of both genetic and environmental factors.

I stopped reading your post there, having figured you'd use that first erroneous comment to attempt to build some kind of argument.

The point also remains unrefuted that GLP-1-targeting weight loss drugs are highly effective at substantial weight reduction and type II diabetes prevention in the morbidly obese by changing biological systems that control appetite, cravings, satiety, and insulin resistance, showing that these processes are controlled by more than mindfulness and will.

That's not the cure it's the way to prevent it. But smallpox and polio unlike being a fat slob are actual diseases.