Shaun Deeb 100k to 1M 17% body fat bet with Bill Perkins

Hard to call it a disease when the cure is simply to stop fn eating.

If you stop eating you will die.

True story.

Has he kept the weight off?

Same thing for polydipsia (excessive thirst), right? The cure is simply to stop fn drinking, according to your logic.
And same thing for drug addiction too. The cure is simply to stop fn taking drugs of abuse according to you.

Except in both of the latter cases, there are established inherited factors that make individuals more prone to having those disorders, and an underlying biology that links the genetic factors involved to the brain regions and the hormonal mechanisms that control the disorders. And the underlying biology is why people with, say, opiate addiction who get clean will eventually relapse into opiate addiction again around 90% of the time.

Well the cure for smallpox or polio is even simpler: to get vaccinated but they are still diseases.

I'm sure some of the geniuses in this thread can't wait to jump in on the topic of vaccination.

Vaccines aren't cures; they are preventative.

Just want to point out that the covid vaccine is not a vaccine like smallpox or polio since it's not an attenuated virus but rather it's an mRNA gene therapy. Does knowing that qualify me as one of your "geniuses"?

Also a vaccine is not a cure. You don't take a vaccine after you have the illness.

This was one of the great prop bet fleeces long before Deeb got fat again. He didn't even reach the weight and he probably wasn't going to. It was a gift from the start and it went to one of the least deserving people on the planet. Typical of the world the last 5 years

1. mRNA vaccines are neither attenuated virus vaccines nor gene therapies. A gene therapy works by replacing a malfunctioning gene, “turning off” a disease-causing gene or giving a patient a new copy of a gene. It is a therapeutic. mRNA vaccines activate the immune system to mitigate diseases, in the case of infectious diseases by tapping into the same mechanisms as attenuated viruses do, in some cases more effectively and with faster implementation. mRNA vaccines are also currently being developed to stimulate a cancer patient's immune system to kill their cancer. In this case, they are therapeutics seeking cures, and not preventives. Two are in pivotal human clinical trials, one in pancreatic adenocarcinoma, the other in malignant melanoma.
2. It depends on how one uses the word 'cure'. Vaccines that eradicate a human disease cure the entire population of said disease. An example is smallpox. It would be more precise to say that vaccines are sometimes preventives and not therapeutics, excepting the therapeutics cases described above for next-generation cancer treatment.

I agree, civilized nations should stop feeding the third world.... That's what you meant right?

Comparing stuffing your gullet with food until you reach 400 pounds with a rare symptom of a few serious ailments is laughably disingenuous.

Excessive thirst is hardly a rare symptom. Ask diabetics, or those with chronic kidney disease.
The point remains that thirst and appetite are controlled by complex biological systems linking specific regions of the brain with the periphery, under both genetic and environmental controls, regulated by hormones, and that are altered by a host of diseases and disorders to function abnormally.

What's laughably disingenuous is the notion that "just say no" would work to alleviate morbid obesity for most sufferers.

You never answered my question about serial rapists. Do you believe that's a disease too or not?

What’s laughably disingenuous is notion that “just say no” wouldn’t work. On another note, just tell us how fat you are that you’re so invested in obesity. Are we talking Greg Raymer fat?

What do you think?

As for me, I think the question has no relevance to the characterization of morbid obesity as a disease, made nearly 80 years ago and only validated since.

He's making a comparison of people who can't control their impulses yet want to blame it on a "disease." It's certainly hyperbolic, for effect, but I'm sure you can see the relevance.

You guys are arguing about semantics. I am sure everyone knows that some forms of obesity are classified as a disease. However, who actually falls into that category is the question. The vast majority of fat and/or obese people do not take care of themselves, have bad eating habits, don't exercise, and are flat out lazy. These people do not have a 'disease', they have made a personal choice to do things and behave in a way that makes them fat and/or obese.

Yes, everyone can agree that a small portion of fat and/or obese people have a disease, which really should just be classified as having poor genetics imo. The rest, which most people in this forum are referring to, are just fat and lazy.

What makes a nation civilized?

What makes someone undeserving because of where they were born or live?

You don’t really need to answer as I already know but it would be good for you to think about it, obviously

The last few pages are really about how one uses the word 'disease'

Most seem to agree it doesnt apply to something you could 'cure' and prevent just by eating less triple cheese burgers.

Just like vaccination is the prevention for Polio, eating healthy is the prevention for obesity.
So why is refusing vaccination a choice and ordering a 60 ounce steak part of the illness?
Both sound like choices to me... in fact, choices for which we all know the consequences.

When I saw him he’s huge, outside free money I doubt it helped him

Those suffering from ADHD can't control their impulses as a result of their disease. The same can be said for substance abuse disorders. Impulsivity, cravings, satiety, reward, and appetite are determined by biological processes that cannot be brought under control simply by mindfulness.

Actually, that's eighty years of basic scientific research and human clinical studies, reviewed and acted upon by health and medical organizations around the globe. It's become my personal opinion because it's the opinion of the American Medical Association, and medical societies in dozens of developed countries, among other professional organizations.

Just one of hundreds of examples:
The 2024 Lasker~DeBakey Clinical Medical Research Award honors three scientists for their discovery and development of GLP-1-based drugs that have revolutionized the treatment of obesity. Joel Habener (Massachusetts General Hospital) and Svetlana Mojsov (The Rockefeller University) discerned the physiologically active form of the hormone, and Lotte Bjerre Knudsen (Novo Nordisk) turned it into medications that promote weight loss.

Globally, almost 900 million adults are living with obesity. In the United States, it afflicts as many as 40% of adults; in Europe the prevalence approaches 25%. The excess pounds underlie multiple life-threatening conditions. Obesity is commonly viewed as a failure of willpower, yet for many, diet and exercise don’t cure the problem. Historically, attempts to make safe and effective drugs that help people slim down have fallen short. Habener, Mojsov, and Knudsen have introduced a new era of weight management in which GLP-1-based pharmaceuticals promise to dramatically enhance health.

And one more:
GLP-1 (Glucagon-Like Peptide-1) regulates satiety primarily through the gut-brain axis. Released naturally by the intestines after eating, it promotes a feeling of fullness and decreases appetite via two main mechanisms:
Central Nervous System (CNS) Signaling: GLP-1 binds to receptors in the hypothalamus (the brain's hunger center) and the brainstem. This action directly suppresses hunger signals and reduces cravings, effectively "quieting" food-related thoughts.
Slower Digestion (Gastric Emptying): It physically slows down the rate at which the stomach empties its contents into the small intestine. This prolongs the feeling of fullness and extends the time between meals.

And finally: before GLP-1 therapeutics became available, there was and still is surgical intervention:
Bariatric surgery alters the digestive system to promote weight loss.
This type of surgery can be categorized mainly into two types: restrictive and malabsorptive procedures.

Restrictive: These surgeries limit the amount of food the stomach can hold, making the patient feel full sooner. Examples include gastric banding and sleeve gastrectomy.
Malabsorptive: These procedures reduce the body's ability to absorb calories and nutrients. An example is gastric bypass, which reroutes the digestive tract.
Mechanism of Action
Caloric Restriction: By reducing stomach size, patients consume fewer calories.
Hormonal Changes: Surgery can also affect hormones that regulate hunger and satiety, leading to reduced appetite.

Eligibility and Considerations:
Bariatric surgery is typically recommended for individuals who have not succeeded with diet and exercise alone and have a BMI of 40 or higher, or a BMI of 35 with obesity-related health conditions.

It says a lot about your view of the world when you think obese people are obese by choice. If they could snap their fingers and get the "willpower" to get lean (including the hard work), you think they wouldn't do it? That they just like food so much that would still choose to be obese because they want to keep eating? I think the vast majority of obese people would take a magic pill that would give them the emotional regulation skills to live more healthy. Sometimes an external motivation like money can help; but not everyone gets offered a million to lose weight.

Let me ask you this: do you do everything you want to do and never make a misstep? If so you must be one of the healthiest and successful people on the planet. There's luck/chance involved than you think. Growing up in the right environment, getting the right life lessons, being financially stable; stuff like that is extremely important.

I am sure they dont want to be obese so I believe they aren't obese by choice.
But they are obese as a result of their choices.

And making wrong choices is not a disease in my book.
And lacking willpower isnt one either.