USA Goes to War Against Iran
Time for a dedicated thread to the war.
How long will it last and what will be the probable outcome?
They don't need naval or supporting forces.
They don't actually need anything. They don't even need to mine the straight. All Iran has to do is say "straight is closed" and then no shipping company is going to risk it.
unless us warships are escorting them. Which I mean will probably not work on a large scale but it goes against what you just said. Your like a child throwing a tantrum because they have no power. We get it you like the enemy more
Doesn't sound like much progress with the talks but I wasn't really expecting much from the first day.
[QUOTE=Axios]According to a source briefed on the talks, some of the disagreements had to do with Iran's demand to control the Strait of Hormuz and refusal to give up on its enriched uranium stockpile.
Vance said the U.S. wanted to a long-term "affirmative commitment" from Iran not to seek a nuclear weapon or the tools that would enable them to produce one quickly. "We haven't seen that yet, we hope that we will," he said.
"This is bad news for Iran much more than this is bad new for the U.S.," he stressed. "We have made very clear what our red lines are…and they have chosen not to accept our terms."
"We leave here with a very simple proposal. A method of understanding that is our final and best offer. We will see if the Iranians accept it," Vance said.[/QUOTE]
fwiw Iran denies any US naval ships passed through. and an anonymous "regional" (whatever that means) source told Bloomberg the same. so who knows what actually did or didnt happen.
OH IRAN DENIED . OH AND AN ANONYMOUS SOURCE? Hi iran! must be facts
It’s kind of weird to not have opinions on Sandy Hook. And yes, I will keep bringing up that he is a Sandy Hook Truther. If someone was a holocaust denier I’d keep bringing that up too. Just like you think that Israel is doing genocide and keep bringing it up. Lol at you complaining about people bringing up topics out of nowhere.
why is it weird? I don't think I've thought about it more then 2 minutes in my entire life combined. Think there's one of these shootings every couple of weeks somewhere. I honestly only know what it is because of alex jones trial XD. it was like 14 years ago now. def didn't have a political bone in my body then.
The extent of my knowledge of it is if someone says its a conspiracy they go in my not worth talking too box like with 9/11
why is it weird? I don't think I've thought about it more then 2 minutes in my entire life combined. Think there's one of these shootings every couple of weeks somewhere. I honestly only know what it is because of alex jones trial XD. it was like 14 years ago now. def didn't have a political bone in my body then.The extent of my knowledge of it is if someone says its a conspira
You just gave your opinion on it. For the 30th time please read before replying.
Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
They don't need naval or supporting forces.
They don't actually need anything. They don't even need to mine the straight. All Iran has to do is say "straight is closed" and then no shipping company is going to risk it.
It seems this is pretty much what happened. I am not even sure they have the capacity to actually "close the strait."
In another time when threshold for pain was higher (and information was controlled better so sailors didn't know what they were getting into) the rest of the world would probably have just kept shipping, and Iran would have sunk a couple ships, had a couple of theirs sunk in return among other reprisals, and some sort of agreement would have been made and it would be over by now.
unless us warships are escorting them. Which I mean will probably not work on a large scale but it goes against what you just said. Your like a child throwing a tantrum because they have no power. We get it you like the enemy more
Hey Iran has never done anything to me. This US government on the other hand is ****ed.
Vance leaving Pakistan without a peace deal. BTC down.
its not really the same. I bring up Israel and the USA doing genocide bc it is pertinent to the discussion and the forum topics. luckbox's offtopic opinions, or anyone's oftopic opinions really, arent really worth talking about over and over again. otherwise I would just call you and much of the rest of the forum Holocaust deniers for your insane ideas about Gaza. but that
It's not even the same sort of thing. Criticizing the behavior of countries. governments, corporations, politicians, powerful figures etc is an important part of politics.
Endlessly attacking posters, ordinary individuals etc is a totally different thing. Some people like it and if it's allowed then go for. As long as it's not protected like in the bad old days then it's somewhat meh* but not to be confused with anything important (apart from self-importance maybe).
*where it's bad politically is where it prevents people from moving on. imo we want people to move on from bad views but some would rather bind and entrench them forever.
It's not even the same sort of thing. Criticizing the behavior of countries. governments, corporations, politicians, powerful figures etc is an important part of politics.Endlessly attacking posters, ordinary individuals etc is a totally different thing. Some people like it and if it's allowed then go for. As long as it's not protected like in the bad old days then it's somewha
you think criticisms of governments are always on topic? even if they are off topic to the discussion or being shoehorned in? I’m sure you don’t believe that and are just strawmanning.
its not really the same. I bring up Israel and the USA doing genocide bc it is pertinent to the discussion and the forum topics. luckbox's offtopic opinions, or anyone's oftopic opinions really, arent really worth talking about over and over again. otherwise I would just call you and much of the rest of the forum Holocaust deniers for your insane ideas about Gaza. but that
I agree that a school shooting that occurred more than a decade ago doesn't require more discussion.
It's strange for you to criticize people for getting off-topic. Of all the posters here, I would say that you are the most prone to trying to turn every thread into a disucssion of the topics that are most important to you--namely, Gaza and "liberals are evil."
It's not even the same sort of thing. Criticizing the behavior of countries. governments, corporations, politicians, powerful figures etc is an important part of politics. Endlessly attacking posters, ordinary individuals etc is a totally different thing. Some people like it and if it's allowed then go for. As long as it's not protected like in the bad old days then it's somew
In practice, it is often close to the same thing. A lot of what you are calling criticism of governments or politicians is actually criticism of posters for being supporters of particular governments or politicians.
*where it's bad politically is where it prevents people from moving on. imo we want people to move on from bad views but some would rather bind and entrench them forever.
This sounds correct in theory, but in practice, I don't recall ever seeing anyone in this forum move on what what I considered a bad view, no matter gently or roughly they were treated. Also, in the most extreme situations, it can be hard to distinguish between politeness and quiet complicity.
I agree that a school shooting that occurred more than a decade ago doesn't require more discussion.
It's strange for you to criticize people for getting off-topic. Of all the posters here, I would say that you are the most prone to trying to turn every thread into a disucssion of the topics that are most important to you--namely, Gaza and "liberals are evil."
In Victor's defense, he's kept his antisemitic tirades out of the Food thread.
speaking of antisemitism, looks like SNL got in on the act
you think criticisms of governments are always on topic? even if they are off topic to the discussion or being shoehorned in? I’m sure you don’t believe that and are just strawmanning.
You're strawmanning here. There's no suggestion from me that criticsm of governments are always on topic
In practice, it is often close to the same thing. A lot of what you are calling criticism of governments or politicians is actually criticism of posters for being supporters of particular governments or politicians.
It becoming close in practice is a sympton of politics gone horribly wrong. It's part of the polarization that is destroying democracy. We need to keeps people political identity different from who they vote for.
This sounds correct in theory, but in practice, I don't recall ever seeing anyone in this forum move on what what I considered a bad view, no matter gently or roughly they were treated.
It's true people don't generally don't recall it. But people change dramatically over time despite it being unnoticed - maybe especially when it's unnoticed. Despite the fact change is one of the only constants people do tend to deny it because denying it is the only real defense for the behavior
Also, in the most extreme situations, it can be hard to distinguish between politeness and quiet complicity.
Maybe. It can also be hard to distinguish from strong disagreement.
It's true people don't generally don't recall it. But people change dramatically over time despite it being unnoticed - maybe especially when it's unnoticed. Despite the fact change is one of the only constants people do tend to deny it because denying it is the only real defense for the behavior
Can you give me an example of someone whose views you believed have changed for the better because of anything that was said on this forum? I'm sure it has happened at some point, but I honestly can't recall.
mets and rafki definitely contributed to changing my views.
straits are going to be blocked
Trump says US to 'blockade' Strait of Hormuz'
How can this be real life?
Yeah I was thinking that yesterday when they sent those destroyers through. We're not there just to keep the Strait open. The US is also sending another carrier over there along with a few thousand more Marines. In the larger scheme of things, I guess that's probably a lesser evil than the civilian infrastructure targets, if it's binary in that sense.
