President Donald Trump

I like Gorgo, but sometimes he has random temper-tantrums.

Speaking of nonsense: Could you please translate this post into English? Thanking you in advance.

if I said I supported Iran bc I am a Muslim and then turned around and said I didnt believe in God then you would rightfully think its complete nonsense. but somehow you dont think its weird that d2 supports Israel bc he is Jewish and yet doesnt believe in God?

also, stop being deliberately obtuse. read better and try to post in good faith and give me the courtesy that I give you. its especially annoying bc I one of the few on this board that doesnt insult you.

Because if you say you are Muslim that implies you believe in god but if you say you're a Jew it does not. I'm sure this has been explained to you at least a hundred times by now, try and get it through your thick skull.

What position? The one I've told you about a hundred times by now was trolling? JFC you are a moron, how you manage to tie your own shoelaces without tripping over and faceplanting yourself into the ground is beyond me.

Correct.

Right, I do not think that is weird. Someone identifiying as a Jew does not necessarily affirm any particular religious belief. Ever heard of Jews for Jesus?

Muslims belong to a religion called Islam.

I'm not deliberately being obtuse.

I will continue to insult you as long as your continue to post garbage.

Feel free to insult me all you want...everyone else does!! 😀

the whole point of Israel is that it is the land given to the Jews by God. so if you dont believe in God then how can your Jewishness motivate you to support Israel?

It doesn't. Hope that clears things up.

hmmph. ok. sure.

Ok, you're clearly actually too much of a dumb twat to understand anything, so I think this concludes our interaction on this issue.

its not an identity. this isnt trans or sexuality. I can choose my gender but I cant choose to be Jewish. and if a Palestinian chooses to be Jewish and tries to go to Israel then they would be executed on the spot most likely.

regardless, thats not what is up for contention. my point is that if someone uses Jewishness to justify their support for Israel then that is inherently a religious argument considering that Israel claims to exist bc God gave it to the Jews.

dont care about some meaningless esoteric sect. dont be bad faith.

fwiw I could cite exceptions to this that are more common than your example. Lebanon, for instance, lists sects on their ID papers. so you can be a Muslim or Christian and not believe in God.

I would prefer good faith and civil discussion. but I will always treat people in kind.

It may be equivalent for you but not for me because I make a distinction between Victor the person and Victor the poster. So for me it's more like if I have a problem with what a poster said, it's really the forum or mods I would have a problem with as opposed to the posters they allow to spew propaganda or whatnot.

Oh, you know him personally?

Jews for Jesus is not a 'meaningless esoteric sect.' It's an organization whose members are mostly ethnic Jews who became Christians. Their main mission is to share their faith with Jewish folks.

There are folks who are ethnic Jews but who are not religious Jews. Astounding you don't know this after all your railing against Israel.

Israel is a secular state not a theocracy like most other ME nations.

Of course but if the libs are outraged, then that "Trumps" all core values and any American lives that are lost in the process let alone citizens of other countries.

That is easily explained. Trump had to do it. He didn't want to, but Trump couldn't let Iran have a nuclear weapon. Obama gave thr Iranians a pallet of money to beg them to behave, but Trump had to clean up the mess that Obama and Biden left him.

I am surprised stock market futures are not down more. Gold and oil are reacting to the news of the weekend, but the DJIA/S&P are down less than one percent pre-market. Monday morning could still open really ugly for stocks, but it does not look that way so far.

That's what the Jews believe. But the whole point of establishing Israel was to give them a safe space. Current Israel was only one of many proposals on the table.

I"m sure you know that Malotav and other Soviet Jews wanted to establish a Jewish republic in Crimea towards the end of ww2. Stalin rejected the plan and purged them from the party, fwiw.

But suppose that worked and the former inhabitants of Crimea wanted back what they felt was rightfully theirs like the Palestinians. Their religous beliefs wouldn't be a factor but their Jewishness would motivate them to support their new homeland.

That things happened to work out diffently for them doesn't alter the fact that it's firstly their Jewishness motivating them to protect their new homeland - irrespective of their religous belief that God did it - just like the Crimea scenario.

There is about 27% support for this war - that's going into it. What polls might not tell you is how support for war goes down over time and put that number into some context. I don't think people buy the idea that Iran is some threat to us. I just don't think people are that stupid and the polling doesn't disagree with me.

I think Trump has a problem with his base. They see him as totally manipulated by Israel. They see that because it is apparent to everyone. What is he going to do to appease these people? Because this isn't the last ask of Israel, not by a mile. They are going to keep this going and going and going until people just lose it totally. Trump is over. He is out of red meat to toss to these people. His job approval is about to tank to levels we've never seen for a president.

If Iran does what I would do in their shoes, which is to obliterate Saudi Arabia, the economic shock from that would probably (and keep in mind I've never predicted the death of the Republican party even when it was popular to do so) destroy the Republican party because it could be really unbearably bad. Of course, again, what does Israel care what happens to us? Nothing is what they care. Actually they want us to suffer because we dragged our feet to this, weren't able to be good servants for them to use with sufficient swiftness and obedience so we deserve to suffer.

But the libs aren't outraged. Zionists control both parties. The Democrats will probably (don't ask me to actually ingest their reaction) criticize the way Trump is doing it without criticizing that he is doing it. This is probably the width of debate allowed to Democrats by their Zionist masters, enough to create some appearance of opposition without fundamentally challenging the decision to attack Iran.

I don't have a problem with Victor either.

If that means joining you in the silly 'terrible person' camp then I'm fine with that as well

direct quote "we dance on the streets because in our home country it is illegal" who cares if there are some Iranian loyalists. the ones in free country's not under the yoke are the only ones with a correct perspective. Obviously we can't know the perspective of a country with an internet blackout. but maybe you should ask why the internet is blacked out?

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Yeah pretty well considering I fine-tuned and deployed Victor® and now I'm monitoring you et al arguing with the inference end point.