Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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iran and isreal went out almost back 2 back in the Olympic ceremonies. guess which one was booed and which one received cheers. LMAO I could understand both being booed even the states got booed. but not both? wowzers really makes you think about the future holocaust
No, it's asking if Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish democratic state. So essentially as at least an ethnoreligious apartheid state. But also given the moment in time, also as a state actively doing genocide.
That word essentially is doing a lot of work in rhetorically motivating your fallacious reasoning
If Victor is representing it correctly, it's an estimate based on historical data.
It is interesting that the people that vehemently disagree with it also seem to buy the story that Israel is at an unheard 2:1 civilian/soldier death ratio for urban combat which I think historical data will not support.
Kind of can't have it both ways.
Even the discredited lancet article does not assert the hundreds of children dead Victor is asserting.
Also, unlike Victor, I am willing to make easily falsifiable claims. Prove me wrong and show me the Lancet quote asserting hundreds of thousands of children dead.
Prove me wrong and show me the Lancet quote asserting hundreds of thousands of children dead.
that's not the contention
wonder if ICE will pick up this criminal. also, weird how Israeli criminals keep getting let free in Nevada.
We can summarize all the discussions here from Vic's perspective:
Jeffrey Epstein raped and murdered hundreds of thousands of Palestinian children with the help of the West
Some people’s eagerness to conflate the Israeli government with Jews and Israel is only matched (Bibi and his goons) by their eagerness to separate Gazan government (aka Hamas) from Palestineans and Gaza.
Bibi and Hamas are ****ing awful and should be toppled ASAP.
I hope that helps.
Mileikowsky Jr sent to to live in Florida for attacking Mileikowsky Sr.
Great family, just the best people.
Excerpts from article on draconian Israeli measures that will speed seizure of West Bank land.
Israel Gives Itself More Control Over Oc...
The security cabinet took actions that make it easier for Jews to buy land in the territory. Critics say the changes violate the Oslo Accords and international law and accelerate attempts to annex the land.
By David M. Halbfinger and Isabel Kershner
Reporting from Jerusalem for the New York Times
Feb. 9, 2026Updated 4:40 p.m. ET
Israel’s government has taken unilateral steps to give itself greater control over the occupied West Bank, challenging President Trump’s opposition to Israeli annexation of the territory in a move widely considered a violation of international law.
The measures, which make it easier for Jewish settlers to buy land and undercut the Palestinian Authority in parts of the West Bank that it administers, appear to flout important agreements that Israel signed under the Oslo peace process decades ago.
The changes were made by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s security cabinet at a closed-door meeting on Sunday. By enhancing Israel’s control over West Bank territory the Palestinians want for a future state, they effectively advance the cause of annexation by degrees — continuing a strategy that the government has been pursuing for years....
Mr. Netanyahu, who is set to travel to Washington to meet with Mr. Trump on Wednesday, did not announce the changes. Instead, they were detailed after Sunday’s meeting by two government ministers who oversee West Bank policy.
One was Bezalel Smotrich, the far-right finance minister, who has pushed through a host of other measures extending Israel’s footprint in the West Bank.
“We are deepening our roots in all parts of the Land of Israel and burying the idea of a Palestinian state,” Mr. Smotrich said in a statement....
With international attention largely focused there, Israel has undertaken an unbridled expansion of Jewish settlements in the West Bank, which is under Israeli military rule. Military operations also have resulted in the biggest displacement of Palestinian civilians there since the Arab-Israeli war of 1967....
And a spokesman for the U.N. secretary general, Antonio Guterres, urged Israel to reverse the moves, reiterating that all its settlements in the West Bank, including in East Jerusalem, and their associated infrastructure, are “in flagrant violation of international law.”
The new actions mainly ease the way for land purchases by Jewish settlers, beginning with the repeal of a pre-1967 law banning the sale of West Bank property except to local, meaning Palestinian, residents.
Critics say this could allow well-financed settlement groups, by buying property deep inside areas the Palestinians want to include in a future state, to drive Israel’s policy in the West Bank, because the military is obligated to protect Israelis wherever they are.
The security cabinet also repealed a requirement for a “transaction permit” before closing a land purchase. These permits had helped crack down on forgeries or fraud — a common occurrence when Israelis want to buy property from Palestinians who don’t want to sell it. Applying for a permit also allowed the Defense Ministry to reject purchases of property in sensitive locations.
Another change that could have serious consequences for Palestinians who do sell land to Israelis was the opening of the land registry in the West Bank for public review — a key goal of the settlement movement.
Until now, land records have been sealed, making it difficult for would-be purchasers to track down absentee owners. With sales to Jews prohibited by a Palestinian Authority law that carries the death penalty, keeping land records sealed also could protect Palestinian sellers from prosecution or worse.
The new Israeli measures also disempower the Palestinian Authority in other important ways.
The Oslo Accords gave the authority administrative control over about 40 percent of the West Bank. The changes will put even those areas under the control of Israeli enforcement agencies — with the power to demolish Palestinian structures over violations — when it comes to heritage and archaeological sites, environmental hazards and water offenses.
Hagit Ofran of Peace Now, an advocacy group that opposes and monitors West Bank settlement expansion, called the decision to authorize Israeli demolitions in those areas “draconian.” Israel could find any excuse to carry out such demolitions, she said.....
Experts said the security cabinet’s decisions were a clear violation of the Oslo Accords and, at least in part, appeared to violate international law.
International law says that an occupying country can’t change existing laws except for security reasons or the benefit of the local population. Abolishing or changing the law on land purchases cannot be described as benefiting the Palestinian population, said Ms. Ofran of Peace Now.
FAFO. This was obviously going to be the course with a Trump presidency.
Unfortunate to see that many of the Zionists who support Trump are totally anti-American. They lie all the time about people being racist. And for people who trot out the word antisemitism it’s quite rich as they are some of the worst antisemites ever… they openly support the destruction of millions of the Semitic people of Palestine.
Carrie Prejean Boller is a great American and a great Catholic. She stands with Muslims and Jews. She stands for the children of Gaza who have been horrifically killed and injured…. Carrie was until perhaps a few hours ago a member of a White House religious liberty commission. She was removed simply because she stood up for the Palestinian children of Gaza and she rejected the Zionists of the panel who are hijacking terms like antisemitism for a political agenda.
Look at the way that some of the Zionists are acting this includes Christian evangelicals and Jews. They lie nonstop about people being bigoted. It’s pathetic.
“I don’t care what you say. You’re racist because I say so…. You don’t support Israel you’re a racist.”
What a backward ideology. The good news is that for the first time perhaps ever in Israel’s existence a majority of Americans do not support the Israeli government. And this includes record numbers of young conservative Christians. Certainly the Catholics are not on the same ideological page as some of these dispensationalism evangelicals. But there is hope for the future. Growing numbers of young Americans from all religious backgrounds are standing up to the undue influence of the Israeli lobby and their actions in Gaza.
I think this guy cracked lol. Jew-induced psychosis.
any normal person would crack after learning the depravity of this country.
https://thebaffler.com/latest/im-not-don...
I wonder if the recipients are ever troubled by the contradiction that, while Israelis consider Palestinians as beasts and subhuman, in order to accept that their organs are interchangeable with Israelis the Israelis must, in some way, recognize the humanity of the Palestinians.
Then again all the shrieking "I'm the real victim here" while they are committing genocide against children never bothered them as a contradiction so I'm not holding out hope.
I dont think they view it as a contradiction. its a tired joke at this point but they really do believe the entire world is owed to them.
I dont think they view it as a contradiction. its a tired joke at this point but they really do believe the entire world is owed to them.
What's amazing is that it's as if it's completely legitimate to have such discussions, make such claims, and spread lies shamelessly.
But wishing the spreader of lies cancer is already crossing a line.
Just to be clear for the mod here, who is hellbent to exert the least amount of power in the world in order to regulate my discourse, I do wish Vic cancer again, this time due to his claim that Jews harvest organs from Palestinians.
Definitely verified, official and known reports.
And from the blood we make Passover bread
https://www.haaretz.co.il/news/politics/...
This lie was actually spread at first, but the liars had to retract it. Not that it bothers a Nazi like Vic.
Cancer Now
your own doctors admitted to it.
oh right, I am sure they just stopped doing it tho.
And from the blood we make Passover bread
bruv nobody cares about this anymore. we just watched your Army slaughter 100s of thousands of children while most of your country cheered it on and bragged about it. the antisemitism crap doesnt work anymore.
Just to be clear for the mod here, who is hellbent to exert the least amount of power in the world in order to regulate my discourse, I do wish Vic cancer again, this time due to his claim that Jews harvest organs from Palestinians.
Maybe "harvest" is loaded language here because it implies a degree of intentionality; the IDF is simply repurposing all the corpses they happen to have on hand from all the mass slaughter.
