Nicholas J. Fuentes, Candace Owens, and other Right Wing Grifters
This fkn guy.. haven’t heard of him before 🤡🎯but when I did, I was overwhelmed. He’s a phenomenal speake
I agree with this, except that the mainstream media isn't trying to 'silence Nick.' Not platforming someone is NOT 'silencing them.'
Do you know what 'censorship' is?
The MSM isn't trying to silence Nick because they can't silence everyone because we have speech protections. But regardless of ideals, CNN would prefer to censor him because they gain exposure and they'd make more money if Nick wasn't sucking up so much of the engagement from someone whom their viewership wouldn't be interested in watching.
All they can do to "censor" him is attack in a way that makes people tune out - which is what they have probably done.
The MSM isn't trying to silence Nick because they can't silence everyone because we have speech protections. But regardless of ideals, CNN would prefer to censor him because they gain exposure and they'd make more money if Nick wasn't sucking up so much of the engagement from someone whom their viewership wouldn't be interested in watching.All they can do to "censor" him is a
I agree with this, but 'censor' and 'silence' are not accurate imo.
What are we doing here.
Nick Fuentes- some random dude on the Internet saying a few nasty things
Benjamin Netanyahu- kills upwards of 70,000 Palestinians mostly women and children. Higher ratio of dead children than all previous war in the past four years.
Wtf are we doing here ?
3.8 million views in 2 days is pretty strong. Move over Charlie Kirk.
Deuces did you watch this? I'd be curious to hear your take on it.
It was certainly interesting, the first hour especially because I had no idea about his early interactions with The Daily Wire and Shapiro. I don't quite buy his origin story. I think he was anti-Semitic far before "just asking questions" about Israel of his conservative Jewish acquaintances. I do believe he was into extremist libertarianism, Hayek, Rothbard etc. But you don't get to that level of Rightwing dipshittery without exposure to and consumption of a ton of antisemitism along the way.
But I do believe he was taken with Trump and from there charged ahead into what he probably didn't know was a longstanding fissure among American fascists - can we accept Jews as white team members or not? He did this by just taking the principles of conservatism and ethno-nationalism to their literal and logical conclusions. And so his story does trace how Trumpism and Christian nationalism naturally leads to anti-Semitism, racism and fascism. The daily wire tried to kneecap him early but they failed. Shapiro probably knew where Fuentes was going before Fuentes even did, and knew the implications of him causing a fissure in MAGA and conservatism which paralleled that within the white supremacist movement on the Jewish issue. And now that there is a general backlash against Israel in both parties and especially in young people, it's like the Israelis are on a 2 front propaganda war in the U.S. and they are losing on both fronts.
The second hour was more about morality and random topics that weigh on conservative minds. I don't know what to make of some of his opinions. The stuff about women was interesting because it seems pretty obvious Fuentes is a closeted gay guy. He is a self proclaimed incel, but I think it would be difficult to not get action when you are that young and famous. He was caught, on a stream, watching transgender pornography. And he has streamed himself with other men on what appear to be dates, like the guy he was with was clearly a feminine type of gay guy. It seems like his issue with women is more than what he says.
The stuff about women was interesting because it seems pretty obvious Fuentes is a closeted gay guy. He is a self proclaimed incel, but I think it would be difficult to not get action when you are that young and famous. He was caught, on a stream, watching transgender pornography. And he has streamed himself with other men on what appear to be dates, like the guy he was with was clearly a feminine type of gay guy. It seems like his issue with women is more than what he says.
apparently there are videos of him doing gay sex with the streamer Destiny (super Zionist freak Democrat supporter) and others.
Did not think I was going to be weighing in on the Nick Fuentes thread but I saw the video in question and it's Destiny sucking a dick but you cannot identify Nick.
One hopes this is the end of my contribution.
I talked about the correct strategy when the transgressors are a small minority - containment over elimination.
But what happens when the transgressors (on both ends) have breached the threshold of containment?
When this happens, since the transgressors need a story that works for them (provides meaningful progress), my claim is there will either (1) be a war that can potentially birth a new story for the transgressors to live in or (2) you will have to revive an existing story.
The establishment is going to inevitably try to push the status quo of the pre Trump period, the left is going to continue with the Neoliberal “Woke” socialist story, but what exactly is the story of the new right?
Fuentes and the Groypers don’t have a workable story to offer that would prevent war. Does MAGA have a workable story, or (which would be my position) has MAGA ascended primarily by being transgressive toward the corrupt establishment and the Woke?
Throughout history, politicians and rulers have offered stories of false hope and relied on technological / economic advancements to extend the expiration date of the story until another war or civilizational collapse.
None of what’s currently being offered by the ruling class is sufficient if you, like me, have hope that there actually is a workable story that can contend with the reality of this world.
Fuentes and the Groypers don’t have a workable story to offer that would prevent war. Does MAGA have a workable story, or (which would be my position) has MAGA ascended primarily by being transgressive toward the corrupt establishment and the Woke?
Lets be honest. MAGA is just online bitch boys. They aren't going to do ****.
The left and Islamists are the ones running the streets, assassinating right wing leaders and beating up Jews and MAGA white boys with impunity. While MAGA and Groypers don't do jack **** but talk about how much aura Hitler had and fight with each other for social media likes.
Who are we kidding? This is where all the power is.
The establishment is going to inevitably try to push the status quo of the pre Trump period, the left is going to continue with the Neoliberal “Woke” socialist story, but what exactly is the story of the new right?
Why can't anyone on the Right understand that the Left are not Neoliberals? Yes, Neoliberals promote "Woke", for reasons I can explain to you if you can show me you understand that the Left is defined ideologically on a basis far broader than wokeness. But the centrist Neoliberal Democrats, which include every single Democrat in congress, are NOT Leftists. There is a significant group of people, largely now disorganized, who are populists and supportive of socialistic programs, and equal opportunity and civil rights, and who are either agnostic to or against capitalism. That is the Left. When you think Left think universal health care, not Pelosi kneeling in a dashiki. There isn't a single Marxist in congress. There is no "cultural Marxist" agenda being implemented by anyone. The centrist Neoliberals who happen to be in the Democratic party make thin, unsubstantial appeals to the moral tendencies of the Left by promoting diversity and inclusion, but even that only rhetorically. Also, there are no race based quotas implemented anywhere in the U.S. and Santa Claus and the Tooth are both not real.
Fuentes and the Groypers donÂ’t have a workable story to offer that would prevent war. Does MAGA have a workable story, or (which would be my position) has MAGA ascended primarily by being transgressive toward the corrupt establishment and the Woke?
They do have a workable story that would prevent war, a story of American isolationism. America is a European colonial project that needs to maintain it's founding culture in order to maintain its greatness. It doesn't need anything culturally from outside the U.S. and any engagement which would lead to cultural exchange is unnecessary and any plunder so acquired is not worth rubbing elbows with brown people and getting their stink on us. Fuentes and crew are also true believers in capitalism (because they are dumb) and think we should laugh and not interfere as other countries implement socialism because let them fail and flounder while we march from strength to strength. It's a beyond stupid story but it is a story.
MAGA ascended as a reaction to Neoliberalism. Trump was supposed to be an outsider who was going to change the prevailing game which was now making even white Americans loser. The surprise ending that only the Left saw coming is Trump is really a neoliberal because Neoliberalism is the propaganda regime and policy set that justifies and mechanizes the continued dominance and enriching of Trump's economic class. The Left stays focused on class and that's why it's always making way better predictions. Trump might have real enemies in patronage networks of which he is not a member, but he will always do what maximizes the power of his economic class and keeps the majority down.
Just a tip for an true believing MAGA populists out there - no billionaire is an outsider. "Outsider billionaire" is a contradiction in terms.
Why can't anyone on the Right understand that the Left are not Neoliberals? Yes, Neoliberals promote "Woke", for reasons I can explain to you if you can show me you understand that the Left is defined ideologically on a basis far broader than wokeness. But the centrist Neoliberal Democrats, which include every single Democrat in congress, are NOT Leftists. There is a significan
I understand the economic story of the left. Then, what is the larger cultural story of the left (beyond economics), if not Woke?
Why can't anyone on the Right understand that the Left are not Neoliberals? Yes, Neoliberals promote "Woke", for reasons I can explain to you if you can show me you understand that the Left is defined ideologically on a basis far broader than wokeness. But the centrist Neoliberal Democrats, which include every single Democrat in congress, are NOT Leftists. There is a significan
I think the issue there is that it seems like pretty much every single person who claims to be lefty was a standard lib before then. And then they went through some really weird phase where they started attacking each other for not being the honorable one which was pretty entertaining to watch because it was rooted in the retched liberal tribalism that just about eve et one outside of politics wants nothing to do with.
I would imagine that in a few years, some of the lefties will shift towards some other term like blue maga or some dumb **** which will end up garnering the votes that won't be able to beat Nick Fuentez in the general.
But on a pro lefty note, with how things are evolving, I think we need to live in a world where Healthcare is nationalized and we have a sustainable UBI system for essentially everyone
I think our kids will have that and those are lefty ideals. But who gives a **** what people want to be called because the only thing that is actually going to matter what the next generation figures out is that the only thing that matters is who's ideas are able to improve the lives of the bottom 99% of people.
I think the issue there is that it seems like pretty much every single person who claims to be lefty was a standard lib before then. And then they went through some really weird phase where they started attacking each other for not being the honorable one which was pretty entertaining to watch because it was rooted in the retched liberal tribalism that just about eve et one ou
And UBI isn't even necessarily a 'lefty' thing. Charles Murray (a self-described 'lower-case l libertarian') advocated for a UBI in his book In our Hands: A Plan to Replace the Welfare State.
https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/in-our-...
And Libertarian Milton Friedman advocated for a Negative Income-Tax in his book (co-authored with his wife Rose) Free to Choose: A Personal Statement.
I understand the economic story of the left. Then, what is the larger cultural story of the left (beyond economics), if not Woke?
That's a pretty ambitious question. My personal view is it goes way back in human history.
I tried to read the Bible once, on the advice of my parents who raised me as an atheist. They said it was important as a piece of literature. I didn't get much further than the story of Cain and Abel. I couldn't figure out, and it didn't say, why God didn't approve of Cain's offering. Sure, meat is more valuable than wheat or whatever Cain gave, but Cain gave what he had. What did God expect Cain to do?
Staying in the Bible, have you ever noticed that Jesus is pretty Left? The people who wrote the bible or composed that story were, I think, the early Leftists. Every social movement is like a reaction to another social movement, a thesis and antithesis, in totality referred to as a dialectic. At some point way back the struggle was between people who ate meat, herded animals, and roamed around vs. people who cultivated the land and stayed in one place (more or less). These farmers produced more than they needed and the excess represented an opportunity and incentive for man to exploit man. The story of Cain and Abel has Abel, the shepherd, as the hero who God loves and Cain as the villain who God hates. This is essentially pro nomad propaganda.
The nomadic people have only the possessions they can carry with them. They can't amass excess and use it to enslave their members. Imagine being in a nomadic tribe and telling one guy to go arrest another guy because he didn't pay you. You would probably be left to die or be clubbed to death or something. There is no reason to have a rigid hierarchy and there is no wealth accumulation. There is no class system. This is how people were for a very long time, much longer than we've been in settled, agrarian organization. Some kind of system which respects the nature of humanity of what Leftists want, at the heart of it. A humanity that can be in balance with the environment, where there isn't harsh judgement on people and a minimal amount of violence over resources, less working, less fear driven social policies.
Much of the clusters of traits you see in different political types can be logically traced to such a split. The Left is about wellness, balance, nature, harmony, giving, and then a whole host of secondary clusters stemming from that. The Right is about what's mine and what's yours, fear of thievery, fear of losing stuff, fear of the stranger, arms races, accumulation without end. This also maps to climate. You could even say it's people from extreme cold vs. the rest of the world.
You can see this in a YouTube video about Germans going out to eat together vs. Greeks. Germans are going to be persnickety when it comes to the bill. Everybody pays for what they ate and only what they ate. Greeks will argue about who gets to pay. It's because they come from different climates. The Greek culture brought democracy. The German culture brought the Holocaust and America pretty much.
The Left is trying to get back to a psychological state of nature, of a more pure human experience but with modern technology. Think naked humans running around, making up games and horse playing, having sex with whoever you want, the village raising the children. I know the Left is now more anti meat and pro vegetable but that's just a quirk of how things played out when the Left embraced empathy in negation of and in opposition to the Right who has embraced sociopathy and social Darwinism.
Once you understand this you can see it everywhere. I'm old enough to remember when VHS porn was a thing. There would be shops with rows and rows of porn vids. And they would be like 50 bucks for one. Yeah, I went in some of them as a very young man. An odd thing I noticed was that the more conservative the area, the more interracial porn would be stocked up. The Right says everyone date their own and keep recreating the world they way it is, maintaining group cohesion as insurance for to dominate other groups and keep amassing more wealth. The Left says follow your urge towards genetic diversity, sleep with whoever. Have kids with whoever. One group needs an infinite store of stuff because winter is coming. The other knows their will be food all year long don't sweat it.
It hasn't escaped my notice that so called conservative influences that used to cover a wide range of conservative topics, pretty much only talk about Jews now. And although I had some intuition why this is the case, this tweet I think articulates pretty well what is going on. In that many conservative influencers when they recently started talking about the Jewish problem noticed a massive upswing in views and engagement from the 3rd world. And obviously they want to keep this going, with concurrent revenue streams.
And although the third world embraces antisemitism they obviously aren't on board with the rest of US right wing conservatism. So audience capture pretty much dictates that many American conservative influences have to focus disproportionately on the Jewish problem, and avoid much of the rest of the conservative agenda.
It hasn't escaped my notice that so called conservative influences that used to cover a wide range of conservative topics, pretty much only talk about Jews now. And although I had some intuition why this is the case, this tweet I think articulates pretty well what is going on. In that many conservative influencers when they recently started talking about the Jewish problem no
"The Jewish Problem"
Has the new, younger generation of antisemites skipped the part where they label their concerns "the Jewish question" and went straight to "the Jewish problem"?
Speaking of Nick Fuentes...the game now is to promote his profile. That's why he's suddenly been platformed all over the place. Ironically, it is the Zionists behind this. They want him, and not humanitarians and the youth movement who are protesting against the genocide in Gaza, to be the face of anti Zionism because it helps to establish their main propaganda objective, the conflation of anti Zionism with antisemitism. I wonder if Fuentes knows that. Does he think his hot takes on centuries old antisemitism are changing hearts and minds? Like when he gets pub in the NYT does he really think the tide is turning or something? On the one hand he is a complete egomaniac. On the other hand, he doesn't trust any Zionist institution like the NYT.
Has the new, younger generation of antisemites skipped the part where they label their concerns "the Jewish question" and went straight to "the Jewish problem"?Speaking of Nick Fuentes...the game now is to promote his profile. That's why he's suddenly been platformed all over the place. Ironically, it is the Zionists behind this. They want him, and not humanitarians and the you
Lately he has started courting the anti Zionist far left to join the struggle against Jewry. And has acknowledged the far left and right would have to make some concessions to make it work.
All indications are he believes he can be part of a coalition big enough to take power, or it’s an Important enough mission to attempt regardless.
He has also stated if “zionists” win the next general election he will probably be forced to move out of country for his safety.
Or maybe he is just an egomaniacal troll addicted to the endorphin rush from all the attention he is getting for his edgelording.
You were more fun when you were the goofy 9/11 conspiracy guy and not a rabid antisemite.
Has the new, younger generation of antisemites skipped the part where they label their concerns "the Jewish question" and went straight to "the Jewish problem"?Speaking of Nick Fuentes...the game now is to promote his profile. That's why he's suddenly been platformed all over the place. Ironically, it is the Zionists behind this. They want him, and not humanitarians and the you
this is possible and probably what I would have thought a few months ago. but the split seems genuine. and as Dun mentioned, there is a similar split occurring on the far left with Marxist or Academic types. people like David Miller and Laith Marouf have converted a lot of people to the same ideas that Fuentes espouses about Israel fully implanting itself in US power structures. the Epstein emails seem to be a breaking point for a lot of people.
Life is a lot better when you stop worrying about what far left marxists and far right rabid antisemites have to say about any topic. Unfortunately they seem to have an outsized currency on social media, probably because many of them are under the age of 25.
