Nicholas J. Fuentes, Candace Owens, and other Right Wing Grifters

Ok. So Myron claims Jews declared war on Germany (inferring the Holocaust was a legitimate act of self defense?) and claims "we" like Hitler, without ever articulating who "we" is. Where do you want to start in a legit conversation over these comments?

Do you think there is some truth to his claim Jews declared war on Germany that we can have a legit conversation about? And as far as "we" liking Hitler, do you include yourself in this "we." And if yes, why do you like Hitler?

Knights,

In the spirit of engaging in legitimate conversation over Fuentes arguments, do you have any thoughts about how to deal with the Jewish problem, as he frames it. He has suggested Jews be rounded up and shipped to Israel. Do you agree with this solution, or do you have other thoughts about how to deal with the Jews?

For those who may question why Tucker interviewed Fuentes in the first place, here is an interesting hypothesis.

As someone who is somewhat familiar with Fuentes, I confirm he is extremely hostile to Vance, and takes a lot of shots at him for his Indian family. So given Fuentes influence on the far right, this is a potential serious problem for a Vance presidential run.

Why? People weren't buying that Biden, decades long sycophant to Israel, and steady supplier of the weapons of genocide to those who carry it out, actually opposed Netanyahoo on the issue.

Do you think the media is looking out for you or something? Trying to show you truths that people in power don't want you to know? They are showing you what they want you to see and they are doing that in the interest of thought control. They wanted you to think Biden is upset with Netanyahoo. And then, because people like you are so gullible, they go and do the same stunt again manufacturing another fake rift between Trump and Netanyahoo. These are Zionist owned and controlled media outlets which put out fake stories about beheaded babies and mass rapes while totally ignoring events in which Palestinians or their allies are severely victimized.

Vance being Vance is the serious problem for a Vance presidential run. Did you see him on the campaign trail? He's a disaster. JD Vance will never be elected president of this country, not in any fair election. Trump is putting ICE in every county that went against him in the election so who knows, but Vance will never become president in the usual way.

Ok so you will acknowledge that Myron Gaines is not some kind of a Muslim cleric but rather someone who is into the masculinity and so-called Manosphere…and that Myron has indeed criticized some portion of Muslim immigrants….you know this yes?

Ok so I don’t agree with Fuentes, gains, Ben Shapiro or Bill Maher when they generalize negatively against either Muslims or Jews… if any of them deny or question the holocaust I disagree with them ….that answers all of your questions about your concerns of my bigotry, including your next post on page 10…. Btw why are you even asking these questions as you have read my position on the Jewish religion, which is a positive one. So this is why I would accuse you trolling and just trying to score points.

So you also feel that Shapiro and Bill Maher are wrong to generalize negatively against Islam yes? or you’re just a one-way street there with defending Judaism but not Islam ?

That's true. Fuentes wants his views on race debated on major media, and you apparently agree that indulging him in this regard would be a good idea, but you didn't dispute his motives.

My stated view is and has been it's fine and dandy if someone wants to platform Fuentes and it's also fine and dandy if someone doesn't want to platform him.

He gets a tonnage of exposure on his own Rumble channel and elsewhere, so I certainly don't see a conspiracy to silence the guy.

You agreed with a poster who said:

So I'm sure you can understand why I thought you were in favor of giving him a microphone on major media outlets. But I guess your actual position was that major media outlets shouldn't criticize Fuentes unless they are willing to give him the microphone. I'm not sure where that logic ends, but OK.

You would also say that Fox or CNN should not give a microphone to Bill Maher, Mark, Levin, or Ben Shapiro for totally disintegrating Islam and criticizing Muslims in general? … if not, I would say it’s clearly hypocrisy. And I’m not here for gotcha moments or personal attacks so whatever your view is that is what it is.

Even beyond those figures fox also platformed the leaders of the wide-open anti-Muslim organization “stop Islamization Of America” …Pam Geller and Robert Spencer.

Personally, I don’t believe in that type of censorship or omission. It doesn’t make any logical sense from journalistic standpoint. Again, you have Dan Rather interviewing Saddam Hussein on national news….Wolf Blitzer of CNN interviewing David Duke.

Again Knights,

You are arguing we should have a completely open market place of ideas, including Fuentes ideas. So lets have the discussion you think we need.

Fuentes says we have a Jewish problem. And that Jews are loyal to Israel and not America and should be shipped to Israel. So lets have a discussion over this. Do you agree Jews should be rounded up and shipped to Israel, or do you have other solutions you wish to float?

The woke right talking point de jure right now is that everyone should engage Nick and his ideas. And yet I have listened to him on like 4 different podcasts in the last few months (I haven't gotten to Tucker yet) and no one actually engages him on his ideas. They let him do his spiel (which is always a more sanitized version than the arguments he makes on his own podcasts) and then never really actually engage his ideas. They all kind of just move on.

The closest was Dave Smith who kind of gave a half hearted rebuttal we should be focusing on Jewish leaders and not blanket condemning all Jews. And Nick basically said no, we have to deal with all Jews. And they kind of just agreed to disagree and moved on.

So lets have the discussion that the woke right and you (Knights) think is such an urgent matter. What do we do about the Jews?

Yes, I’m open to a conversation but you’re not. You blatantly ignored my questions to you about major platforms hosting anti-Muslims. This is completely laughable. And I don’t care but everyone can see it for what it is.

And you’re just asking the same questions again. I don’t in any way shape or form support any kind of bigotry against Jews or Muslims. And you’re probably gonna ask the same questions again huh. Answer my questions and then the conversation continues. Or not just keep asking the same questions.

Also Tucker Carlson pushed back against Nick saying it’s wrong to generalize against Jews. So either you didn’t watch his podcast or you simply don’t care about any of that and you’re just here to score points. See how that is working for the Hasbara as NYC has a Muslim candidate for mayor who has 67% of support from Jews under the age of 45. And now of course a majority of Americans including many young Republicans are against the Israeli government. In large part because of this annoying type of rhetoric like yours. Never actually engaging in conversation always saying the same stuff over and over. If you don’t like Muslims just say it…it’s your right

Lol what is this…. This is just too funny. I tell you what I think about Jews/judaism but you don’t respond to any of my questions.

OK. So Tucker gave him opinion that its wrong to generalize against Jews. And tomorrow Nick will be back on his own podcast saying all the Jews should be put on a boat and shipped to Israel. So what exactly was accomplished?

Like I said, no one is actually engaging Nick. It is just an "agree to disagree" situation and move along. That isn't engagement. Engagement would be giving your own thoughts on whether we have a Jewish problem, and if yes what should we do about it?

Lol 😝 the entertainment is incredible. Two posts in a row you say not one thing about your position on Muslims and Islam. …. you keep asking the same questions regurgitating the same nonsense that has already been addressed.

I don't think you know what the word censorship means.

And you apparently don't understand what the playbook is for people like Nick Fuentes (or you just don't care).

Your average white supremacist, Holocaust denier, 9/11 conspiracist, flat Earther, etc., would be thrilled to discuss his views on major media, and will spend a good chunk of his free time challenging the "establishment" to debate his crackpot views in a public forum. ("If I'm so wrong, then why not prove me wrong in a debate on the campus of a major university?")

These people crave oxygen because that is what spreads their message.

Nick has said the sort of controversial things on Jews as Bill Maher, Sam Harris, Mark Levin have said about Muslims. So do you think that they have crackpot views or is it just Fuentes?

As I asked before

You would also say that Fox or CNN should not give a microphone to Bill Maher, Mark, Levin, or Ben Shapiro for totally disintegrating Islam and criticizing Muslims in general? … if not, I would say it’s clearly hypocrisy. And I’m not here for gotcha moments or personal attacks so whatever your view is that is what it is.

Please address that again I’m not here to tell you what your views are, to tell you that you’re a racist, but please address the above. If not, oh well

Have Maher, Harris or Levin advocated for sending all Muslims in America back to the Middle East? If so, you have a point. If not, then what IS your point?

They have all spoken negatively about Islam. Now, if somebody spoke negatively about Judaism what do you think the reaction would be here from Dunyain…. How often if ever have you heard anyone in this thread or any of the people like the young Turks, or any of the critics of Israel’s government even bring up the word Judaism. Now compare that to the people in this thread who support the war in Gaza and how often they talk about Islam or like a so-called “jihadists”.

Dunyain has also called you a hater, and he has claimed that I am anti-Jewish and he is among the segment of people who are here to score points. As he has been asked countless times, including in this thread for his position on Islam or what he thinks about influencers who say negative things about Islam. He doesn’t address it that is a really poor way to engage in conversation. And again, I don’t mind if the guy doesn’t like Islam I’m not here to hate him or something like that. But that’s why I say he is here to score points and not for conversation. As I believe that you have said you are pro Israel, and I have said so many times that I respect the religion of Judaism but This means nothing to Dunyain who has numerous times called me anti-Jewish.

Also the congressman Randy Fine who is incredibly pro war in Gaza recently said on Piers Morgan tonight he would “understand if Americans are afraid of Islam” imagine for a moment if he said “I would understand if Americans are afraid of Judaism.” And we see this sort of playbook quite consistently from a segment of pro Israel, people. Basically what they do is they openly criticize Muslims while at the same time simultaneously whining about anti-Jewish attitudes that don’t exist. Like if somebody criticizes Israeli politicians all of a sudden they are anti-Jewish it is an extraordinary logical conundrum.

I would also tell you that Fox News has platformed outright anti-Muslim people. From the organization called stop Islamization of America/jihad watch like Pam Geller and Robert Spencer. Imagine for a moment Fox News bringing on a guest who is part of an organization called stop the Judaism Of America or Jew watch or something like that.

Ben Shapiro he said most Muslims are radicals. He also previously called for the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians out of Israel.

Levin said that Obama has an affinity for Islam more than Christianity or Judaism.

again I don’t agree with any of them when they generalize negatively against either Islam or Judaism. I do agree with Fuentes when it comes to his criticism of the porn industry and marijuana. Ben Shapiro probably agrees with that too.

Finally as for this whole so-called mainstream media thing. Nowadays, the so-called mainstream media is getting crushed ratings wise by political channels on YouTube and rumble. But still we can make the point that the corporate media like Fox News and CNN are hypocrites for platforming anti-Islam people.

Nick Fuentes has said a lot of crazy things about a lot of stuff. He is an open white supremacist and an open white nationalist.

If you want someone to discuss the influence of pro-Israel lobbying groups or whatever on American government or American policy, there are a million politicians, academics, and journalist you can find who would be willing to discuss that topic. You don't need to give a microphone to Nick Fuentes. Your failure to acknowledge that obvious point almost certainly means you are trolling.

You’re entitled to your opinion on my views, but I know what I think. And it’s interesting you’re still saying nothing about anti-Islam influencers why is that what’s going on here? What kind of conversation is this. Again I don’t care but what can you do.

And as for your opinion that Fuentes wants to have his voice heard. Of course he does. Every influencer does no matter who they are or what our opinion on them is. Influencers are being heard by millions of people. As the alternative media outlets on YouTube , X and rumble are now more popular compared to whatever Fox News or CNN has.

Oh I certainly agree that Fuentes has said many outlandish things. But so has Mark Levin, Ben Shapiro, Bill Maher, Sam Harris, and a plethora of other left-wingers and right wingers who are allowed to say it on the corporate media. Again, I don’t know what your position on this stuff is because you’re not saying anything about it. It’s problematic but oh well you’re entitled to say what you want.

The American people the great majority of them are not bigots. We have access to information and speeches by all sorts of negative people of history. So if Nick Fuentes all of a sudden appeared on an interview on Fox News it’s not going to change that. You get that right? it’s the same thing with Ben Shapiro or Bill Maher Criticizing Islam. Most Americans are not gonna be about that. And I’m saying this is somebody who enjoys Bill Maher…I have seen him live twice for his comedy routine.

Of course you know what I think of your views. I just told you that I think you are a troll. The alternative would be worse, so I'm being charitable.

Disagree, he seems to be a sincere Fuentes fan.

Maybe. Who knows.

So, neither Levin nor Shapiro have advocated for all Muslims to be deported from the USA? And the Levin quote about Obama is probably false, but isn't even close to being a blanket condemnation of Islam.

And the Shapiro quote was about what Israel should do with Muslims, not what the USA should do with Muslims. (I, of course, condemn Shapiro's point of view.)

At this point it seems to me that the only reason to platform Fuentes is to be 'edgy' or controversial.