Ukraine-Russia War Take 2

Good thing 2 of the most proficient nations in drone warfare, Ukraine and Israel, are allies of ours.

Most proficient is about to mean less and less. Drone warfare is extremely accessible. Plus Ukraine will soon not be an ally. There will be a pro Russian government there and Russia will be the master of drones. Ukraine had a head start but Russia has caught up now and ultimately it's just a numbers game.

I would liked to have to put off as long as possible the drone warfare that is evolving. They are making them cheaper and cheaper and more deadly. This recent fiasco with Yemen was nothing, just a preview of how corrupt, price bloated, and ineffective our military is. I heard someone say this war is for drones what WWII was for war planes. If you think things suck now wait until we are experiencing drone terrorism here.

Mooooom, the guy who wasted years of his life posting lies about 9/11 is making worthless predictions without any evidence again!

I think our comrade has been going a little heavy on the vodka.

Lies? How do you figure? You can call my analysis bad if you want to join the Two Plus Two empty assertion society, but lying, on the internet age and on the internet, is not something I've ever been desperate enough to do. I don't open myself up to easy, valid counter attacks like that.

Wasted? I don't think I could have the perspective I have now without having tried to understand 9/11. I see that human history itself is just the unfolding of conspiracies and reactions to them. People don't know this yet, but I do. The crowd isn't far behind tho. Do you have any idea how good it feels to not be surprised by the events you observe and being able to fit them into a model you have of the world and have it fit nicely? not too snug and not too loose? You will never know this.

Russia has been able to absorb every nonlinear twist Ukraine has thrown its way and continue grinding them down. There is no reason to think that's not going to continue, especially as Ukraine's ability to change the rules, so to speak, dwindles. The evidence is the long showing trend which was predictable and now observable. What's more, the U.S. political party supporting the proxy war the hardest is in shambles. Trump is your God now. People dancing around in furry costumes are not going to meaningfully oppose him. He's got people afraid to even speak. You think someone afraid to post on the internet is going to do anything to him? He clearly cannot be assailed or stopped from doing anything and he's never really been into killing a bunch of white people in Ukraine they way you are.

There is a time to just give it up.

realistically drone warfare is an added advantage for richer but less populous countries. and an added disadvantage for poorer but more populous countries

like taiwan cant match a million enemy soldiers no matter what they do but they can develop a lot of innovative drone and anti-drone tech if they make it a priority

He says, shortly after he defended the worthless conspiracy bs he's been flinging for over a decade...

Again, I don't have a conspiracy theory about 9/11 in which I have any appreciable confidence. I'm just saying the official 9/11 story, which is itself a conspiracy theory, is obviously false. I have no idea who committed the 9/11 attacks. Neither do you. You only feel like you do.

Drone warfare is going to benefit the defensive capabilities of all poorer countries, not just those with lower populations.

I hope Russia kills all the neo Nazis in Ukraine. It would be a mistake to let them live, just like it was a mistake for us to let Confederate officers and leaders live after the civil war. I'm sure Trump will negotiate on Azov's behalf. Unfortunately for them, however, Russia definitely knows exactly what to do with fascists.

Holy moly..

Guy who believes a paper passport survived a plane crash, building collapse, and is found resting on a pile of ruble. If only we made the towers out of passports 9/11 would have never happened!

So someone planted the passport? Honestly seems possible to me. Does that mean a plane didn't hit the Pentagon or Building 7 were detonated?

What do you think Russia should do with its own neo Nazi battalions?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich_Gro...

I feel like Al Queda perpetrated the 9/11 attacks. Don't you?

Ukraine had its independence from Russia for how long, 20 years? 25 years?

Pretty foolish to think they will be able to resist Russia indefinitely, which is what your detractors are arguing.

Oh dear.

Would love to hear your theory on why/how tower 7 fell and why owner said it was "Pulled"

I thought it burned down. Did something else happen?

Death to all neo Nazis.

I have felt that. It was a feeling I felt when authorities repeatedly told the public that AQ did the attacks. I mean, why not feel that way? I believe (and still believe today) that AQ are a terrorist group obsessed with America as their great religious and geopolitical adversary. They had attacked us before.

Maybe it was when the news started saying they killed us because we wear blue jeans, and when I found out the footage of Arabs celebrating 9/11 was actually taken from a soccer match that I started to wonder if I should see if the story checks out. It did not check out. I honestly do have more understanding for people like you know, who just want to hold onto the feeling that things make sense, that there are good guys and bad guys and we're the good guys. It's a comforting thought and the alternative is horrifying. I've come to understand that not everyone cares about truth, even that I don't really know why I do, just that I do.

Did you miss the study done on it by some PhDs? A 4-year study by the University of Alaska concluded that fire did not cause the collapse of building 7. They seemed to say the building was demolished without saying it explicitly, that the collapse was due to a near simultaneous collapse of a bunch of columns.

I don't know. I guess if people can spontaneously combust that sky scrapers can spontaneously collapse without being demolished. Maybe it was a sympathy collapse because the building had seen its big brothers collapse earlier that day.

I was being sarcastic. We obviously disagree on the conclusion of how #7 went down since we talked about it for pages in another thread. But who cares.

I just enjoy reading new opinions on it from time to time so I wanted to let the poster roll with his takes on the matter.

... I mean you claim (as I do) that a plane hit the Pentagon. I'd be curious to hear what he thought happened there as well.

I knew what you were doing.

Why don't experts taking 4 years to study it, combined with all of the devastating criticisms of the NIST report, and all the experts arguing less formally against the official story change your mind?

What would change your mind?

LMAO, Deuceface McCrackhead babbling about these silenced explosives again...9/11 losers will literally believe anything you tell them.

I think if we had some more evidence that at least points to some coverup in records or workmanship in wiring a demolition of this size, it would be a red flag. It's quite a project to undertake on the assumption of what again? An airliner was going to hit the WTC and they were going to detonate an old building that was already on fire and had half its cladding ripped off from debris from the towers?

also, as you know, the penthouse caved in first before the building collapsed. If we ignore this horrible wiring job of detonating the top parts as opposed to the bottom floors of a traditional detonation, someone would have had to press that button at the exact moment the penthouse failed, or else the whole timing would be catastrophically wrong, or more importantly, unnecessary to got to war when they would just pack up and go to war anyways - regardless of two towers and a Pentagon getting hit.

Like if they detonated the penthouse first, that's pretty redic. But if they didn't wire it that way, was the collapse of the penthouse a bonus and they swiftly detonated the rest of the building at the exact second to make it look believable or could the entire building have fallen due to the penthouse and that entire wiring job wasn't even needed? I honestly in good faith can't pciture a realistic scenario even if you remove every other aspect of what else was going on during that time.

But Russia has neo Nazis fighting and presumably killing Ukrainians for them. Yet you stated you hope Russia kills all the neo Nazis in Ukraine, implying that Russia has no neo Nazi battalions. So your death to all neo Nazis doesn't really mean anything or address the counterpoint.

So what makes you think they didn't attack America again, on 9/11?

To clarify, this looks like celebrating a soccer match to you?

Or this?
https://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/12/us/da...

https://www.foxnews.com/story/arafat-horrified-by-attacks-but-thousands-of-palestinians-celebrate-rest-of-world-outraged

Fox News

Arafat Horrified by Attacks, but Thousands of Palestinians Celebrate; Rest of World Outraged

Or this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_...

How doesn't it check out? And it's going by the available evidence, rather than mere feelings.