Ukraine-Russia War Take 2
Here is what the preliminary take on the Ukraine thread disappearing is:
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I've kind of believed since this thing was about 6 months old and obviously an unexpected quagmire, if there were hits on Moscow and people dying on the streets there, Putin would be gone nearly immediately.
gotta love when liberals recommend terrorism and targeting civilians
I've kind of believed since this thing was about 6 months old and obviously an unexpected quagmire, if there were hits on Moscow and people dying on the streets there, Putin would be gone nearly immediately.
Putin was and is genuinely popular in Russia. And for the people in Russia who don't like him, it is very dangerous to express their dislike and illegal to organize it.
The regime may be mostly to blame, but the invasion is still very much a Russian war.
All these little commanders are propped up by the actual physical power which surrounds them, of which Putin himself has none, of course. There is a rife history of such little puppet masters being removed and conspired against when their seeming domination is suddenly exposed as very vulnerable. I'll never forget an old Russian woman cussed him after a media statement one time, in which he disingenuously denied responsibility for killing citizens, and he looked like a deer in headlights, stricken, terrified.
And Kim Jong Un is "popular" too, if you believe the reports of it. I just think he, Putin, might have been removed from the inside if it had gotten bad enough. It got ugly, ugly, ugly ... but not at home. It's hard to believe that quarter million Russian soldiers dead number, but that's nothing to the dear leader types.
All these little commanders are propped up by the actual physical power which surrounds them, of which Putin himself has none, of course. There is a rife history of such little puppet masters being removed and conspired against when their seeming domination is suddenly exposed as very vulnerable. I'll never forget an old Russian woman cussed him after a media statement one time
Putin isn't "popular" in Russia, he is popular. Not even independent Russian media (which all operate abroad for foreign reasons) suggest that Putin is an unpopular president in Russia. On the contrary, all the needles pretty much suggest he is a popular one.
Of course his popularity is propped up by totalitarian and fascist tendencies like making genuine political opposition illegal, punishing, jailing and killing dissidents, assassinating political rivals and by making Russia into a police state where citizens only have rights if they aren't standing up. Like most fascists they then dress themselves up as patriots while stealing as much as they can.
The mistake people often do is to assume such policies do not work. One presumes that people are always secretly huddling and disliking the regime when no-one is listening. This is "developed world"-bias, born out of being used to having enough political rights to freely dislike politicians and replace them as we see fit. The reality is that like in most places, Putin will be compared to alternatives, and a very effective way of gaming that system is to ensure there are no good ones.
Unless people start to go hungry, internal threats to Putin isn't likely to come from "the people". Such threats is more likely to come from ambitions or plots from people like him or worse. One woe the regime faces is of course that a lull in the fighting in Ukraine would greatly increase the odds of such a scenario; disgruntled officers can be a dangerous thing for a regime. They can be recruited by groups with ambitions, or they might start having ambitions of their own.
Putin isn't "popular" in Russia, he is popular. Not even independent Russian media (which all operate abroad for foreign reasons) suggest that Putin is an unpopular president in Russia. On the contrary, all the needles pretty much suggest he is a popular one. Of course his popularity is propped up by totalitarian and fascist tendencies like making genuine political opposition i
Pretty much everything you said means that he is "popular," not popular. Yes the threat to a despot is military factions, as we both said. That the people are his enemy and he theirs is evidenced by the two way street of fear that defines the relationship.
Russia hits British Council and EU delegation offices in overnight airstrikes on Kyiv - Europe live
With Russian bombing, it is always hard to tell if they meant to do it or not. Sure, they sometimes aim, but when they aim it just as much for civilian targets as military targets (if not more). And sometimes they don't aim, and just lobby an arsenal at urban centers hoping to destroy infrastructure and kill and maim as many as possible.
Regardless, stuff like this is a clear diplomatic miss. While official responses will be muted, unofficially this just gives room for much stronger anti-Russian stances.
Russia is unlikely to see it that way. Terrorbombing has been a mainstay of Russian military campaigns for three decades. It is popular back home and they also genuinely believe it gives them a strategic edge in war. Which is probably true when fighting mostly civilian insurgencies and uprisings or committing genocide, but far less true when fighting an actual military opponent.
Think about it.
A 2-month-old baby and his 32-year-old mother were killed by a direct hit from a "Shahed" into a residential building.
A pregnant woman was seriously injured, and had to have her labor induced prematurely to save her baby.
Destruction in Kyiv, Odessa, Zaporozhye, Dnipro, Krivoy Rog, Kremenchuk, Sumy.
810 "Shaheds" and 13 missiles. A total of 823 targets - a new record.
4 people were killed. 44 were injured. The numbers are not final, the rubble is still being cleared. How much pain.
And no responsibility for the child-killing state, while the world has stuck its tongues up its ass and is living its best life.
How did we get to the point where in 2025 you can kill children with impunity, and the main killer is given a red carpet and a smiling handshake?
The silent majority that made this possible, how do you live in this reality?
-Welcome to the new multipolar world. And dont forget the IRGC provided rockets.
I wonder if this is why I got an test Emergency Alert from the government earlier.
Did you get that too chezlaw?
How did we get to the point where in 2025 you can kill children with impunity, and the main killer is given a red carpet and a smiling handshake?
bruv really?
How did we get to the point where in 2025 you can kill children with impunity, and the main killer is given a red carpet and a smiling handshake?
Because Trump's an idiot.
The silent majority that made this possible, how do you live in this reality?
In the West, the kind of people who protest (almost every weekend in London, it's a lifestyle all of its own) will for the most part only protest against the West -- and of course Israel -- and will always side with the anti-human enemies of the West. It's a perverse student-type luxury belief system based on factitious and vicarious outrage, essentially like a privileged stroppy teenager forever 'rebelling' against his parents while living the soft life.
For sufficient reason, though, the West Europeans do not want to get bogged down in the fighting in Ukraine and bring the misery home to their own electorates where there is no immediate threat to themselves (and there won't be because Britain and France have nuclear weapons). Also, their conventional military forces are very, very run down -- they just don't have enough men, ships, tanks, artillery and aircraft -- and their struggle with social-policy costs, and the feeble narcissism engendered by their educational methods, which is severely impacting military recruitment, makes it difficult for them to restore their military strength to where it needs to be. They are prepared to commit troops and air power to the defence of Ukraine if a ceasefire can be agreed (regardless of stupid and impotent table-thumping Kremlin threats), but, in this, they're only going along with a Trump ceasefire proposal that Trump has already lost interest in because it didn't work because Putin knows Trump can be played and had for a mug. We don't yet know what the West Europeans (and not-so-far-West NATO members like the Poles) will do once they admit that the US is a write-off and they need their own policy independent of that weird rogue republic established by and for rich slavers in periwigs.
Years before the invasion, Trump literally told Germany not to deindustrialize and become dependent on Russian fossil fuels, because this is exactly what would happen. As is, Europe still purchases A LOT of fossil fuels from Russia, often through intermediate nations like Kazakhstan and illicitly, and it is free to stop doing so at any moment to put additional economic pressure on Russia. Trump has even suggested they do so.
I really dont see how this is on Trump at all. And under Harris I think things would be going pretty much exactly the same. The Western Europe/US relationship would probably be better; but I think the war itself would probably go about the same. Maybe worse for Ukraine, because Israel doesn't destroy so much Iranian infrastructure under Harris, so Iran can provide more resources to Russia.
1 day bro, one day the war will end ….
That is why trump an idiot and everyone that believe his hore$h!t.
And they all cheer afterwards even tho being lied and impoverished by him everyday .
Ps: except for those that already makes a lot of money of course, they are on the same team .
Years before the invasion, Trump literally told Germany not to deindustrialize and become dependent on Russian fossil fuels, because this is exactly what would happen. As is, Europe still purchases A LOT of fossil fuels from Russia, often through intermediate nations like Kazakhstan and illicitly, and it is free to stop doing so at any moment to put additional economic pressur
The question, though, was about literally rolling out the red carpet for Putin, which Trump did do. And because he had no real plan for the meeting, or for dealing with Putin in general, he got nothing out of it and looked a mug.
****ing hell. Russia hit pension delivery point with guided bomb in Yarova town, Donetsk Oblast. 21 people killed. Bodies are scattered everywhere.
"Needed U.S. reaction. Needed Europe reaction. Needed G20 reaction. Needed strong actions for Russia stopped sowing death", - Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
#russiaisterroriststate
****ing hell. Russia hit pension delivery point with guided bomb in Yarova town, Donetsk Oblast. 21 people killed. Bodies are scattered everywhere.
"Needed U.S. reaction. Needed Europe reaction. Needed G20 reaction. Needed strong actions for Russia stopped sowing death", - Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
#russiaisterroriststate
I dont know if you heard but Greta's publicity stunt ship was reportedly hit by a drone (no injuries and good chance it never actually happened at all, but I digress). This is clearly a MUCH bigger deal than Russia's years long bombing of civilians in Ukraine, so the left has to concentrate all their efforts where it really matters.
Sorry, no Jews no news.
I dont know if you heard but Greta's publicity stunt ship was reportedly hit by a drone (no injuries and good chance it never actually happened at all, but I digress). This is clearly a MUCH bigger deal than Russia's years long bombing of civilians in Ukraine, so the left has to concentrate all their efforts where it really matters.
Sorry, no Jews no news.
it was firecrackers they had with them
I dont know if you heard but Greta's publicity stunt ship was reportedly hit by a drone (no injuries and good chance it never actually happened at all, but I digress). This is clearly a MUCH bigger deal than Russia's years long bombing of civilians in Ukraine, so the left has to concentrate all their efforts where it really matters.
Sorry, no Jews no news.
I hadn't heard that, no. I doubt many people have heard anything about Greta's boating holiday lately, unless they went out of their way on purpose to find out, whereas a lot of people have heard about Russia's onslaught on Ukraine. (Which I don't think is because the president of Ukraine is Jewish.)
I hadn't heard that, no. I doubt many people have heard anything about Greta's boating holiday lately, unless they went out of their way on purpose to find out, whereas a lot of people have heard about Russia's onslaught on Ukraine. (Which I don't think is because the president of Ukraine is Jewish.)
italian twitter is completly full of it, like everyone talks about it
because they made a grand theather of leaving the Genoa port, i reported on that in the I/P thread.
So pro terrorist accounts are pushing for it a lot. Also we have 2 members of parliament on those boats. Also the opposition is claiming Meloni wants them dead by Israeli hands because Meloni didn't give diplomatic immunity to the italians on those boats (which Spain purportedly did for the Spaniards tourists on those boats).
And then you have the anti-terrorist patriots discussing how disgusting and inacceptable that pro-terrorist flotilla is.
