Ukraine-Russia War Take 2
Here is what the preliminary take on the Ukraine thread disappearing is:
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Trump is more preoccupied controlling his Americans citizen with the military instead of using vs real “democratic enemies” like Putin .
Ukraine had a very formidable military to start. Not to mention, it has long been getting training from NATO and arms from the U.S. and Europe. Taking them out in a week is not an option for literally any country in the world (unless you just nuke them but that would be like killing a child as a response to a custody battle).
The lack of deflection back onto Biden is worrisome. Trump is owning it now. That means we are retrenching ourselves and that means more Ukrainians are about to die at faster rates. There are millions of people who did nothing who are being punished mercilessly just so some morons in DC can expand their mini mansions. It also increases our chance of getting into a nuclear exchange. If you don't think some think tank scum in DC would blow up the world before they admit they did something stupid you haven't been paying attention to these people.
https://youtu.be/zXwejx12ItA?si=LiyrOt84...
Russian soldiers executed the parents of a child in the village of Shandrigolovo (Donetsk Oblast, Limanskoye direction). The girl was taken hostage and used as cover to advance into the village.
The footage was published by the 3rd Army Corps of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, along with a radio intercept.
During the assault, the commander of a Russian Armed Forces unit with the call sign "Bali" gave the order to eliminate the civilian population, giving instructions to "kill everyone indiscriminately, except for children."
"Get ready to kill people, kill everyone indiscriminately. Everyone, indiscriminately! Well, except for the children. Everyone who is there has nothing to do with us. <...> Kill them all, kill them all!"
At (0:16), Russian soldiers can be seen taking the girl out, then entering to clear the house (0:36). After the clearing, the parents' bodies are ordered to be removed so the girl won't see them. One of the bodies is visible at (1:15).
💔russians killed a woman pregnant with twins, her two sons and her husband.
The tragedy happened tonight in Sumy region. The bastards hit their home with a drone. The family was internally displaced. Their previous home was also destroyed.
#russiaisterroriststate
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While Ukraine hits refineries, russia hits passenger trains.
The footage shows the moment and impact of the strike on the railway station in Shostka, Sumy Oblast. The first strike hit the locomotive of the suburban train. When the evacuation started the second strike occurred - a drone hit the locomotive of the Kyiv-Shostka electric train.
Around 30 people suffered from the strike - passengers, workers of "Ukrainian Railways", a cashier. Among them three children.
P.S. The protagonist of an acclaimed cartoon "An American Tail" comes from Shostka (1986, produced by Steven Spielberg). Probably, that's the railway station from where Feivel the Mouse left for America. Now russia bombs his homeland.
Lapaivka, Lviv Oblast. A private home was leveled to its foundations. An entire family of four was killed, including a 15-year-old girl. Six more were killed earlier.
Zaporizhzhia, residential building, air-to-air missile system. A 69-year-old woman was killed, and 10 others were injured.
Sloviansk, residential building, air-to-air missile system. Five people were injured.
Lviv, Sparrow Industrial Park.
The rest is energy and gas infrastructure.
496 drones, 439 shot down.
51 cruise missiles, 38 shot down.
2 Kinzhal ballistic missiles, 1 shot down.
57 drones and 8 missiles in 20 locations.
And this happens almost every day.
And Ukraine has been enduring all this for 1,320 days now.
And at the same time, European countries are afraid to shoot down a ****ing drone in THEIR airspace, let alone Ukraine's.
Cowardice has never prevented a war.
This war is increasingly showing who's worth what. Europe will get exactly what it's so desperately trying to avoid.
So much fapping material for Vic.
And at the same time, European countries are afraid to shoot down a ****ing drone in THEIR airspace, let alone Ukraine's.
No, they shot down four over Poland.
You can't expect NATO countries to honour treaty obligations which they simply do not have to a non-NATO country, or to invite a direct conflict with Russia which is not in their interests. But NATO countries are continuing to arm and support Ukraine, with ever more advanced weapons, and you may take some comfort in the fact that, what with all those Western armoured vehicles, artillery pieces, munitions, aircraft and intelligence input, Russia's military combat deaths so far appear to be about double the size of Ukraine's, with remarkably little to show for it in the way of ground gains.
Regarding NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte's controversial statement, "We won't shoot down their planes because we are stronger."
"They're saying: if an aircraft poses a threat, we have the authority to take extreme measures if necessary. But if the aircraft does NOT pose a threat, we won't shoot it down and will carefully escort it out of our airspace. That's exactly what they should do, and I completely agree with this approach. Because we are that strong. It's a proportionate response. Exactly. We are so much stronger than the Russians that we shouldn't shoot down Russian planes for entering our airspace. We will do so if they enter our airspace and pose a threat."
Look, I understand why they say that.
We indirectly touched on this topic in the latest video for the closed channel "Be Or+" (https://t.me/tribute/app?startapp=s4Zr), a Patreon (https://www.patreon.com/tobeor) and sponsorship (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIpvyH9...) on YouTube: democratic leaders cannot afford to make ill-considered decisions, because they simply won't be re-elected – they will be replaced by populists like Orbán and Fico, and now the Czech Republic has elected Babiš.
Putin exploits Europeans' fears, and they vote for leaders who promise to "come to an agreement with Putin" in the event of a major war.
Medvedev tells them directly: "The main thing is for these narrow-minded Europeans to experience firsthand the danger of war. So that they fear and tremble, like dumb animals in a herd being driven to the slaughter. So that they **** themselves in fear, anticipating their imminent and painful end" – a quote from October 6.
And they are trembling. And it's working.
European leaders see this, and hence Rutte's words: let's say we're much stronger, to reassure society. Like, we're in control, we'll knock it down if necessary.
And this is true, because Europe 1) really is stronger; 2) is genuinely confident that it's stronger. This isn't Rutte's bluff; they truly believe it. Ben Hodges stated today (https://t.me/vottaktv/68577) that in the event of a major war, Kaliningrad would be liquidated within the first few hours.
Last week, when I watched former NATO Military Committee Chairman Rob Bauer's speech at the Riga Conference (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCS4uA8B...), I was a bit dumbfounded by the following phrase: "We won't fight Russia the way Ukraine fights Russia."
As in, we have F-35s, we have reconnaissance, we have everything, we'll take them out if they even make a move. (If you want, I can find that fragment for you.)
Why am I dumbfounded? Because if you dare say such things, what's stopping you from demonstrating that force now to stop the war? To stop it precisely so you won't have to fight it later?
And I find the explanation for this is that it's a form of reassurance, like, well, Russia is flying its fighters, but they're not threatening us. As soon as they start threatening us, we'll be right back!
And there wouldn't be anything wrong with that if this strategy worked. For God's sake.
But it's ****ing not working. You elected Babiš in one of the most pro-Ukrainian countries. Your societies are truly shaking.
And maybe I'm wrong. But for some reason, it seems to me that if they started shooting down planes, it would have a much better calming effect than their assurances of "we're stronger, everyone!"
And I'm not even talking about shooting down planes—you don't even shoot down ****ing drones, like those ones that fly over your military bases (https://t.me/ToBeOr_Official/18989) and that you close airports because of.
What works better: the phrase "we are stronger" or the phrase (https://t.me/ToBeOr_Official/18856) "if another missile or aircraft enters our airspace, don't come complaining later, you've been warned," followed by action?
That's the problem. It's not about fueling escalation, but about being effective in your interactions with YOUR OWN societies, so they don't elect Orbáns and Babišs instead of you because they're shaking in fear.
That's just pragmatism. Your approach is ineffective. Not before the war, not at the start of the war, and not now.
First, shoot down at least a ****ing drone over your military base, and then tell them how strong you are.
Regarding NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte's controversial statement, "We won't shoot down their planes because we are stronger.""They're saying: if an aircraft poses a threat, we have the authority to take extreme measures if necessary. But if the aircraft does NOT pose a threat, we won't shoot it down and will carefully escort it out of our airspace. That's exactly what they
Are you getting paid to shill propaganda here? You just copy paste translations and links from same media sources all the time
Regarding NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte's controversial statement, "We won't shoot down their planes because we are stronger.""They're saying: if an aircraft poses a threat, we have the authority to take extreme measures if necessary. But if the aircraft does NOT pose a threat, we won't shoot it down and will carefully escort it out of our airspace. That's exactly what they
The rest of Europe is nowhere near being able to beat Russia handily in a war. Not that Russia would be likely to win such a war, but it would be a protracted affair and it would carry immense cost to both parties. Statements to the contrary is just meant to appease civilian populations in affected countries.
It would protracted simply because the technology available and numbers ready to be deployed aren't nearly big enough to make it a quick affair. Geography also tells us that the war be fought alongside geographical borders of immense scale.
It is also uncertain how unified a response would be. Europe isn't a country, it is a coalition of individual interests. Even EU or NATO are coalitions where individual responses would be hard to gauge.
However, the the reason NATO and Europe threads gingerly is simply that they do not want any war, even a quick one if that was hypothetically feasible. The current European political project (EU included) and NATO as it plays a part in European security politics is based on preserving peace, and they are willing to make some substantial sacrifices to achieve that, often at the detriment to future peace and stability.
There is also the unfortunate realization that currently a lot of US "conservative" politicians and European right-wing politicians are either on a Russian payroll or they used to be and are now being blackmailed for it. Thus, even in countries where reason should dictate a strong response to Russian aggression, there could be substantial political chaos if such a scenario started to play out.
Now, all of this isn't a great help to Ukraine. I think at least there is a realization that accords such as "Minsk II", which eventually gave Ukraine up as a sacrificial lamb, simply won't be viable. Weak deals of that caliber will only increase the odds of a new great war. However, in a 5-minute world, such realizations can fade fast.
It seems another option is to get much more strict with economic sanctions, including throwing Russian elites out of Europe/US, which would put pressure on the elites. Russian elites still spend much of their time in Europe, including sending their kids to European schools. Even Putin has children who live in Europe.
All of Russian society seems to be more or less ok with the status quo, so there isn't much internal pressure to end the war. So at some point it might be necessary to change this dynamic.
Putin can make all the economic/military deals with China, North Korea, Iran and India he wants. Russian elites dont want to be a part of any of those cultures. They do want to be a part of European society. So this could be a pressure point Europe could push much harder if it chose to.
It seems another option is to get much more strict with economic sanctions, including throwing Russian elites out of Europe/US, which would put pressure on the elites. Russian elites still spend much of their time in Europe, including sending their kids to European schools. Even Putin has children who live in Europe. All of Russian society seems to be more or less ok with th
It is a possibility, though it is open question how much Russian elites really matter in Russian decision-making at the top level.
It would also have to be a fairly unified effort. Unity has always been a rare thing when European countries sit down to decide on matters. EU is the closest you get to a unified Europe, and while it represents the majority of Europe, it is still only 27 out of 50 countries. The EU also achieves cooperation by being fairly limited politically and judicially in how much power it can wield - making it more a "great debate" than sovereign entity.
Kindergarten in Kharkiv. One person died, seven were injured. Fortunately, the children were not injured.
A family that had moved from Kyiv hoping to find peace in the village was killed today in Pogreby, Kyiv Oblast. Among the dead were a 38-year-old woman, her six-month-old daughter, and her 12-year-old niece.
UNTIL WHAT TIME WILL THE WORLD JUST OBSERVE THE CRIMES OF putin's KILLER?
Kindergarten in Kharkiv. One person died, seven were injured. Fortunately, the children were not injured.
https://t.me/c/1199360700/124168
😭These children's screams… Footage from a kindergarten in Kharkiv that the whole world should see.
And the Russians reported on the "destruction of the Ukrainian Armed Forces location"
Please, Victor's head will explode. Post a bit slower, so he can truly enjoy these pictures.
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/...
Exclusive: China state oil majors suspend Russian oil buys due to sanctions, sources say
- US sanctions hit Moscow's two largest oil companies
- India poised to sharply cut Russian oil imports
- Russia faces demand drop from two biggest customers
SINGAPORE, Oct 23 (Reuters) - Chinese state oil majors have suspended purchases of seaborne Russian oil after the United States imposed sanctions on Rosneft and Lukoil, Moscow's two biggest oil companies, multiple trade sources said on Thursday.
The move comes as refiners in India, the largest buyer of seaborne Russian oil, are set to sharply cut their crude imports from Moscow, to comply with the U.S. sanctions imposed over the Kremlin's invasion of Ukraine.
It seems another option is to get much more strict with economic sanctions, including throwing Russian elites out of Europe/US, which would put pressure on the elites. Russian elites still spend much of their time in Europe, including sending their kids to European schools. Even Putin has children who live in Europe. All of Russian society seems to be more or less ok with th
One of the perks of being an elite is nobody can really put too much pressure on you. We've got elites here who are making millions of people unemployed because it gives them a frill and nobody can stop them. Netanyahoo has livestreamed a genocide of his own creation and he can go wherever he wants. You are one sweet summer child if you think someone with a 100 million dollars is going to be deprived of anything they want. And the people, in Brussels or DC, who you think are going to try to deprive Russian elites care as much about some dead Ukrainian child as Putin does, probably less because they are even further culturally removed.
Russia has decided to sacrifice its own people and burn through its own money to prevent NATO from acquiring Ukraine, an event which they clearly see as an existential threat, and you think taking away high tea in London is going to make them change their minds when they are already in taint deep?
The sooner people get it through their heads that Russia is winning this war the better it will be for everyone, including Ukrainians. The more it drags on the more it not only exposes us the risk of nuclear war, but it quickening an evolution of war itself in the proliferation of drone technology and tactics. This evolution is terrible for us or anyone with a conventionally powerful army dependent on warships and tanks. The book on how to liberalize lethality and defeat conventional armies is being written right now on the Ukrainian battlefield, co-authored by Russia and Ukraine. It's not leading to the kind of world we are going to like. And these defeated Ukrainians...these are going to be very dangerous people with access to a lot of lethal weaponry. And, of course, many of them are neo Nazis. Nothing good is coming from supporting this rogue regime in Ukraine and nothing ever will.
