The murder of Charlie Kirk

Please cite those two motives and we'll see how well your response ages. Thanks.

you are right but no need to be condescending imho.

If nate manages to live with minimal exposure to the extreme toxicity of the most vile corners of online political tribal thought, i think he is the actual winner around us.

He just wont be able to fully comprehend what we are saying in this case but hell his life will be better anyway.

So he should actually be the one treating us with condescension.

The horniness for wanting to make this about support for trans people is off the ****ing charts

I could make millions with an ASMR onlyfans whispering this **** to the right I think

what % of the population knows what a groyprer is? 0.2?

Touche 😀 But it kinda is a citizen's duty to be aware of stuff. This really isn't so far off the beaten path wrt what's been happening in politics for the last ~decade.

And the fact he was an outspoke Christian didn't hurt. In case you all didn't notice, Christians are a very common target of radical trans activists.

But yeah. He was a soft target who came to town, so he got got.

Right when it happened when most of the online world was saying it had to be a professional state sponsored hit (and hence Israel) I pointed out it was most likely a local left wing activist who took advantage of an opportunity at a soft target.

Of course even knowing all the facts the online right and and far left are still trying to pin it on Israel and the Joos. It is pretty wild that the populist right has been so captured by antisemites and foreign agents that no matter how much the far leftists (who share their hatred of Israel) go after them, they still only want to blame everything on Joos.

It is pretty much a win win for the far left. They can keep attacking the far right, and the far right will go after a common enemy (Joos) in response.

what on earth?

It could be about a normie gay person from a republican, socially conservative family and culture feeling so oppressed he had to fix that by doing something. The trans part wouldn't be main even if the fox/nypost/axios thing is true.

If the partner thing is true, that's a gay boy ****ing with his partner like gay people do. Sucking his dick, getting it in the ass and so on. Trans-ness doesn't enter the picture. Even if the partner was going effeminate so much that he intended to transition, that's still a fully gay relationship at the time of the assassination.

So no this very well might come out as a very simple story of a gay boy from a conservative family that fully understood his sexuality at some point and understood some people on the right hated him for that (even if republicans operatives as it's known are more gay than democrats, or so grindr stats claim when conventions happen) and decided to take care of that.

I think more people than you think would understand the motive as a vanilla one that actually makes sense if that was the case. Not to condone it in the slightest, but to understand it in a causal sense without further repercussions.

I want to be very clear, the partial (potentially false/changing) elements we have today DO NOT POINT to the assassin being a leftist. They point to the assassin being a conservative in cognitive dissonance with his active homosexuality , who decided his own lived experience trumped his education. That's still not leftism.

Again i accept geezer and crossnerd caveats, THE PARTNER THING MIGHT BE MADE UP, so i am discussing "as if" he actually was partner with his transitioning room mate.

But yes every single shread of evidence we have does NOT point to Israel being involved in any way with this

I'd say the only truly clear thing about this situation at this point--is that there is a ton of propaganda flying around lol

They came right out of the gate trying to spin it hard.

cool

some portions of the right, specifically the very hard, low iq right (Tate for ex) went crazy from the very beginning. They hoped to use this to motivate people into a civil war or something.
For sure foreign bots helped as well.

But a lot of serious rightwing accounts with weight didn't fall for it.

Then came the left. Very good show of seriousness by democratic party elected politicians. They hold the fort steadly almost in all cases. Not so much for people to their left... a lot of "normie" very liberal people went crazy and partied for the assassination. They celebrated it.

Then info came, the right tried to spin, different info came, the radical leftists tried to spin.

All in all VERY good performance for the left of center, the center, independents, and a decent portion of the right. Real americans did great.

The aggro, alt-right performed as bad as we could expect, the radical left as well.

I might be biased but as we would expect, as usual, extremists reacted horribly attempting to spin this for their gain, the rest of society reacted very solidly.

If it wasn't for the fact that the assassination might still be without motive (the explanations i gave are only limited to believing the very partial data we have, which could be false or wrong) , i'd say real america came out of this high profile assassination splendidly.

I haven't read the full thread. But I'm curious, are there people here who defend the celebration of Kirk's murder?

I'm thinking back of historical examples I can remember:

- After Osama Bin Laden was assassinated, huge numbers of Americans celebrated.

- After the Oct 7 atrocities, huge numbers of Gazans celebrated.

- After retributory atrocities against Palestinians, huge numbers of Israelis celebrated.

What these 3 examples have in common are societies at war with each other. (Americans dehumanized Islamic jihadists as terrorists, Palestinians dehumanized Israelis as genocidal colonizers, Israelis dehumanized Palestinians as terrorists, etc).

Today, the mainstream position of ordinary Democrats is that mainstream Republicans (ie. Charlie Kirk) are Nazis and fascists. Thus, it makes perfect sense that millions of Americans would celebrate his death because he has been dehumanized to the same extent as Osama Bin Laden, Israelis and Palestinians.

But it brings up the question: How does this end? We are not a society in which we can come together, have a debate, and then reach a democratic consensus. If the majority of mainstream Democrats believe the majority of mainstream Republicans are Nazis and fascists, and celebrate their murder, what prevents this from escalating into further war?

But is it going to be Martin Luther Kirk day, or Martin Luther Kirk Jr day?

should be ML Kirk, jr hasn't been assassinated yet

Internet forums like this one are a completely different entity compared to social media platforms that use algorithms to dictate what kinds of content you consume.

If that.

I hope you realize that fact HELPS his argument, bro.

You left out the cops/Governor and President etc coming out immediately pushing the deeply indoctrinated leftist thing lol Along with some other misdirection.

It really looks like this entire trans angle came from that wacko Brooke Singman and her anonymous source… I’m honestly a bit shocked so many outlets are running this story despite the potential adverse outcomes for if they’re wrong.

NYT has quotes from the discord chat

Again, I am really struggling to see this trans angle. It’s looking more and more like an intentional delay in admitting this was right on right violence.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/13/us/ki...

Trans activists have committed a lot of assassinations, mostly of Christian’s, in the last couple years. They will probably commit a lot more, even in the 1% chance this event isn’t exactly what it looks like it is.

Like I said, left wing activists who grew up in republican households and rebelled are a very bad combination. Left wing mental illness and violence with right wing access and proficiency with guns.

The part about him hating social media yet has a fukkton of posts on social media? Aight.

Yet the same misinformation and/or disinformation is spread here, as well.

Some for sure.