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12 October 2020 at 08:13 AM
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Maga in a nutshell. Doesn't care about democracy or the constitution but is in an uproar about snow white.


by Luciom

The frog and the scorpion in real life (the frog deserves this and much much much more, so much that future frogs finally manage to open their eyes)

There should not be pride flags on city property.


by Inso0

**Some hysterical rant about a movie I didn't even know existed, let alone could've possibly found a way for it to affect my life to the tune of a multi-paragraph scribe**



People don’t dislike Snow White remake because of a race swap. They dislike it because it’s a crap movie.

Wicked was a good movie with a race swap, and despite the anti-woke hate campaign did well with critics and box offices.


And even if they did dislike it because of race swap, fine? It's a gd movie. Go see it or don't. Nobody owes you a white snow white, but if they put don't one in there and you don't like it, don't watch the movie. How in the hell can you possibly have a burr in your panties about it?

Hamburger help me


by biggerboat

Maga in a nutshell. Doesn't care about democracy or the constitution but is in an uproar about snow white.

They are definitely angry about a lot of things. I wouldn't use the word "uproar". I think they are just more disgusted with the direction this world is going in. There are certain characters who should not be played by a person of a different color just for woke purposes. Any adaptation that goes this rout is doing it on purpose. It's unnecessary. They are just causing trouble in the name of woke. Imagine if a director decided to remake the movie "Friday" with an all white cast how much "uproar" there would be.

How about just leave things alone. Must you culturally appropriate everything in the name of woke?


by checkraisdraw

People don’t dislike Snow White remake because of a race swap. They dislike it because it’s a crap movie.

Wicked was a good movie with a race swap, and despite the anti-woke hate campaign did well with critics and box offices.

I wasn't commenting on the movie failing because of old white dudes.

My comment was about the subsection of old white guy on twitter who campaigned against it like some "wokie" cancel culture **** because they don't like inclusion

My comment wasn't even considering that Inso0 might find it offensive. It certainly wasn't targeted at him, unless he did rant about cultural appropriate on twitter, in which case lol at him.


by Gorgonian

Nah, it just means it's a willful act with a political or strategic purpose rather than a random act of a savage with no purpose other than to inflict mayhem and pain. The disapproval is of its random, unpurposeful nature.In other words, when trying to contextualize it, just dismissing it scornfully as the act of a barbarian isn't useful (stigmatizing it in this way), rather it

God forbid suicide bombers being stigmatized.


Do a hundred little things and people notice but don't really make a big stink because it's not worth the fight. On the 101st time, someone decides they've had enough and speaks up, but in a tone that you could easily argue doesn't fit this specific instance.

I work with someone like this and frequently find myself in a mediation role as loud arguments break out because of his constant needling and someone else finally has an outburst after biting their tongue for however long. The offending guy is always like, "Jeez, why are you making such a big deal about this?"

It's not this one specific thing. It's the pattern.


by coordi

I wasn't commenting on the movie failing because of old white dudes.My comment was about the subsection of old white guy on twitter who campaigned against it like some "wokie" cancel culture **** because they don't like inclusionMy comment wasn't even considering that Inso0 might find it offensive. It certainly wasn't targeted at him, unless he did rant about cultural appropri

I agree that those making a large effort to cancel this movie is silly. I get the anger though. There are plenty of ways to include all races in movies and other things. This isn't about inclusion, it's about a woke agenda. If they are making Snow fricking White not white what else are they going to try in the future?


by Inso0

Do a hundred little things and people notice but don't really make a big stink because it's not worth the fight. On the 101st time, someone decides they've had enough and speaks up, but in a tone that you could easily argue doesn't fit this specific instance.I work with someone like this and frequently find myself in a mediation role as loud arguments break out because of his

I'm sorry that the straw that broke the camels back was me saying old white guys have lost the plot by having incredibly strong opinions about Snow White


He also likes to play the, "I'm sorry you're offended" card.

Your name isn't Chris, by chance, is it?

For the record, I personally don't care about a movie I'll never see. I only latched on to your post because it shifted the blame for the movie flop to "50 year old dudes" instead of where it actually belonged, which was with the people that somehow ****ed up a literal remake of a timeless classic.

Edit: See, now this insinuates I'm not seeing the movie because of the brown Snow White. In reality, I'm not seeing the movie because I haven't seen any live-action Disney remakes, as they've all been universally panned. I do like Disney animated films, as a collective work. Edit2: and all the live action ones with Dick Van Dyke, obviously. Who doesn't love Dick Van Dyke?


by Inso0

Do a hundred little things and people notice but don't really make a big stink because it's not worth the fight. On the 101st time, someone decides they've had enough and speaks up, but in a tone that you could easily argue doesn't fit this specific instance.I work with someone like this and frequently find myself in a mediation role as loud arguments break out because of his

this is a major feature of abusive relationships - the abuser never quite goes over the line on any one individual thing so whenever the abusee finally reacts the abuser is coming from a position of power with the "why are you making a big deal out of this - i'm just asking that you spend tonight with me instead of seeing your friends"


by coordi

It’s got to be mamdani

It’s basically saying we hand wave suicide bombing as an inevitability from backward savages when it’s targeted political violence with a plan and purpose

it's mamdani yes. The father though, the marxist professor. It says we cannot claim cultures where they have suicide bombers are inferior objectively (=savages), while we obviously can and should define cultures like that as horrific.

He also justifies targeting civilians with no military goals as "enemies" (bombers often did that, with no military goals, no attempt to kill specific targets and so on) which is pure apology of terrorism.


by coordi

It’s crazy to think we haven’t really won a war in god knows how long despite constantly fighting in them for nearly the last 100 years.

Ukraine v Russia is a pretty good example of us losing a proxy war to a decrepit military force with inferior tactics and planning.

The Middle East are the kings of asymmetry

We aren't losing that proxy war. We made a country which would otherwise have been annihilated very quickly basically break even for 2 years against an infinitely superior opponent. With no blood spilled of our own and at a fairly low cost. While the russian enemy had to retool his entire economy to not even be able to win that war lol. And is incurring permanent damage in it's demographics because of this war (immigration dried up, and working age men are being butchered and disabled in droves).

It's a splendid victory for us for now. And it already gave results: syria imploded because Russia was unable to support it's old ally. Iran got spanked with Russia doing nothing about it.


by mongidig

There should not be pride flags on city property.

as for all city property, it should be the duly elected government of that city to decide and no one else.


by Gorgonian

And even if they did dislike it because of race swap, fine? It's a gd movie. Go see it or don't. Nobody owes you a white snow white, but if they put don't one in there and you don't like it, don't watch the movie. How in the hell can you possibly have a burr in your panties about it?

Hamburger help me

I wonder what you would say if a movie about white Floyd, member of a neonazi organization, being killed by black cops while in custody, then sanctified by society chanting "white live matters" was made.

Just a movie bro, and i suppose you would heavily criticize protests against it right?


by Inso0

He also likes to play the, "I'm sorry you're offended" card.Your name isn't Chris, by chance, is it? For the record, I personally don't care about a movie I'll never see. I only latched on to your post because it shifted the blame for the movie flop to "50 year old dudes" instead of where it actually belonged, which was with the people that somehow ****ed up a literal remake

When 50 year old dudes are cancelling Snow White because the uppity latina actress says something they don't like you know they have lost the plot

Point out on the comment where I "blame(d) the flop". You realize this was in context to a comment where right wingers are complaining about Superman being woke, right?

by rickroll

this is a major feature of abusive relationships - the abuser never quite goes over the line on any one individual thing so whenever the abusee finally reacts the abuser is coming from a position of power with the "why are you making a big deal out of this - i'm just asking that you spend tonight with me instead of seeing your friends"

Are you trying to imply that I'm in an abusive relationship with Inso0?


by Gorgonian

Nah, it just means it's a willful act with a political or strategic purpose rather than a random act of a savage with no purpose other than to inflict mayhem and pain. The disapproval is of its random, unpurposeful nature.In other words, when trying to contextualize it, just dismissing it scornfully as the act of a barbarian isn't useful (stigmatizing it in this way), rather it

Nobody said it was without purpose, nor did Lucio's quoted text. How is having a purpose make it less savage and not barbaric? Stoning women to death has a purpose. Isn't stoning women to death barbaric? You can apply that text to anything, substitute suicide bombing for Hamas, the Holocaust, Rwandan genocide, Argentine dirty war etc etc. Every example is still barbarism.

by John21

It was obviously written to be provocative but at the end of the day terrorism is just a tactic of asymmetrical warfare; with the chief objective of war being to render your enemy either unable or unwilling to wage war against you. And it doesn't need to be only the inferior force using it. We pretty much terrorized Japan into surrender with the bomb, which undoubtedly was part

The firebombing of Tokyo, Hiroshima/Nagasaki was pretty barbaric. Wouldn't you agree?
The quoted text seems to be apologia, a kind of veiled justification for suicide bombing to me.

Also there are rules to warfare. Wilful targeting of civilians via suicide bombings don't fall under those rules, even if the perpetrators consider themselves at war.


by Luciom

I wonder what you would say if a movie about white Floyd, member of a neonazi organization, being killed by black cops while in custody, then sanctified by society chanting "white live matters" was made.

Just a movie bro, and i suppose you would heavily criticize protests against it right?

Jews run hollywood, we would never let that happen.


by Luciom

We aren't losing that proxy war. We made a country which would otherwise have been annihilated very quickly basically break even for 2 years against an infinitely superior opponent. With no blood spilled of our own and at a fairly low cost. While the russian enemy had to retool his entire economy to not even be able to win that war lol. And is incurring permanent damage in it'

Ukraine is in a horrible spot currently. Trump wasn't lying when he told Zelensky that he had no leverage. They've lost significant strategic land that is still under Russian control.

The Iran conflict hasn't even started yet, it was just some minor jockeying, imo. Not sure about Syria


by coordi

I'm sorry that the straw that broke the camels back was me saying old white guys have lost the plot by having incredibly strong opinions about Snow White

It's a story written in a collection of northern european folk tales from centuries ago. It's deeply rooted in german culture specifically.

You think people with german ancestors have lost the plot if they have strong opinions about the worldwide defiling of their culture by a major company, with an entire political tribe having worked toward that goal?

It's like you make a movie about who invented pizza and you make up a black pizzaiolo in Naples as the inventor.

I understand that as an american leftist you have no intrinsic history and culture with significant roots other than very recent events. But other americans to find meaning and purpose in their own ethnic heritage and you would understand that for non whites, why don't you understand that for whites? you think indian-americans would be ok with a movie by a major company on the mahabarata made using finnish actors?


by coordi

Ukraine is in a horrible spot currently. Trump wasn't lying when he told Zelensky that he had no leverage. They've lost significant strategic land that is still under Russian control.

The Iran conflict hasn't even started yet, it was just some minor jockeying, imo. Not sure about Syria

Ofc Ukraine is in an horrible spot. Doesn't mean we are losing. We never tried for a second to make Ukraine be in a good spot. We have tried and succeeded in creating a Vietnam for Russia.


I'm about as German as it gets Luciom. There is a town in Germany that shares my last name


by Inso0

50 year old men were not the target audience for Snow White, and that movie cancelled itself.First they made Snow White brown, which harkens back to what I've mentioned in previous threads about shoehorning diversity and identity politics where it doesn't belong. The character was written in the original tale as literally having skin as white as snow. You have ONE job when ca

She was probably told by Disney to say what she said and she was 22, you tend to shoot from the hip more at that age. I don't have a problem with race swapping in principal when it's not relevant- Denzel kicked ass as the Equaliser, Morgan Freeman was great in Shawshank and Michael Clarke Duncan wasn't bad as Kingpin in that Daredevil flick- but that said I would agree re forced diversity, as it would take you outa the film. I really wouldn't like to see Ryan Reynolds or Gosling as Blade for example and think having a black actress playing some middle ages English queen was ridiculous. I think the dwarves thing was over Peter Dinklage speaking out against the concept, much to the chagrin of other dwarf actors, who didn't feel Dinklage represented the dwarf acting community.

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