The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

I think you have just done a post that comes under, misunderstanding, condemning without truth just as your laminate from the poker sites says! Thank you for backing up this claim!

Who on earth would come up with a post like this thinking hes getting one over on me after i have posted the below!!!!???? Hes just done a post exactly to what i claim he does!!!

Lets have a look at the paid site defenders laminate may look like, that they will have to stick to at all times;

1 Any talk of the RNG not performing to odds, ALWAYS ask them to prove it. This is the number one priority, as its something they wont have the funds to do and this must be requested repeatedly.

2 Belittle and publicly condemn people writing about the RNG discrepancies. NB any condemning does not neccessarily have to be true, as long as its effective. This will discourage them from further posts and get those weaker ones sitting on the fence on your side. Remember, its easier to side with a bully and this is key to having the forum under control.

3 Deliberately misquote and misunderstand anything they use to support their case. This will deflect from the subject and engage in conversation away from the points being made.

4 Repeat steps 1-3 in reply to any new comment. Steps 2-3 may be used for those who are taking longer to 'go away'.

Your $50 will be paid monthly into your nominated bank account.

These guys bang on about 'proof' over and over and over and claim that anyone who does not hold their beliefs in the deck, is not credible and worthy of belittling and insults.

They have proof in the fact that the independent stats site Sharkscope, offers a spinning star for 'a top position on sites global leaderboards'. No personal claim, no personal opinion, just pure fact. Its there for anyone to see. I have one. I play under the same name. Its not easily achieved, as it takes a huge amount of games and associated profit to get this.

Do they accept this fact? No, absolutely all the aggressive supporters have individually continued to suggest the complete opposite, even since bringing this to their attention. Some have even, despite claiming to be the cream of online poker, not to have heard of Sharkscope. This would be like a pro footballer not having heard of Wembley.

Don Johnnie; 'you have no clue about hi lo' etc etc and much worse
Slugant; 'you suck at poker' 'you're a loser' etc etc etc and much much worse

This is clear proof that if you spent the huge amount of money and dedicated the huge effort (please, please dont suggest a tin pot tracker or auditor can do this, tho you will) to provide conclusive proof of what to most, is plainly obvious.... a squewed RNG.... they would immediately shoot it down. Immediately. Conclusive evidence, but dismissed without thought.

They have conclusively proved that presented with fact, they show themselves for what they are. Site reps, acting in the manner that you would expect, lying and cheating their way through life to line their own pockets.

We have conclusive proof contained within these posts of how you have acted once presented with this fact. This is who you are and what you represent. You specialise in lies and untruths. Would true fellow poker players continue to offer zero respect to someone and continue with proven lies, once having a checkable conclusive fact presented to them? Of course not.

If you cant not spot their true reason for being here after reading this, you is in serious denial! Its all here in writing.

Percy forgot to take his pills again.

Bob managed to post without the use of a play on '**tard'. Wow, well done!

If you want to explain to why you and your 'mates' (tho they cringe everytime u post, believe) ask for proof and then totally ignore proof, have a go in your own time. (im gonna pre empt Slugants reply of the laminate number 1 point and say im talking about that they ignore proof tht someone is a winning player, not that i have proof of a squewed RNG... .hes so so predictable that he would deliberately misunderstand what is being said, as per the laminate, i will answer this in advance)

Have a go, im intrigued to what you could come up with.....

Poker isnt about having a revolving star next to name on sharkscope. (especially on a site that went out of business years and years ago)
Poker isnt about passing a test on a staking site where you need to pay to take those tests.
Poker is about the results on the pokersite and actually doing well at the tables.
Where you never escaped microstakes and therefore you suck.
All your results have confirmed that 😉

I dont hide. Have you ever put 1 minute into actually finding this out? Because thats all it takes. You know there is a search button on this forum right? You know you click on persons name and see their posts & threads right???
1 minute and you can see a lot of hands posted by me including my screenname. You can even see me bashing coinpoker or ggpoker for which im supposed to be shilling. All your crackpot theories about me can be debunked if only you wanted to.
But you dont want to the 1 minute of research because that would mean you cant yell your nonsense at clouds anymore.

Oh yea of course, we shouldnt take you literal. So when you said you were actually not bad you were just being sarcastic. Gotcha!😉

So weird huh that when somebody accuses somebody else they are asked to provide evidence. Why cant we be more like South Sudan?🙂
Also, you dont have the funds to buy a $50 tracker? Because thats all it takes
You can even do it in the 14 day trial period. It wont have to cost you a penny!
The way you describe the riggedness that certain players get help each time while others are duped. AVALANCHES OF 4 OUTERS remember? How is this impossible to show? And how is it expensive to show? If you can see it you can show, its that easy.

Now lets think. Why would someone who claims to have such damning evidence and clear pattern of riggedness not even attempt to show it?
Maybe because its never even there 🙂

Do you accept the fact that you never climbed out the microstakes and therefore are not good at poker?
NO all you have is a "spinning star" on a site that closed down ages ago😃

Who do you think is a better poker player? Player A who wins a couple of bucks a month on microstakes but has a silver star from 10+ years ago or Player B who crushes midstakes and makes 10k+a month but doesnt have a silver star?
If you think player A is better or close to player B that will tell you perfectly why you'll never be good at the game ever.

If its so plainly obvious you can show it so plainly easy 😉 Dont contradict yourself in the same sentence for gods sake :p
If even you can see the RNG has a pattern, imagine what mathmatical software can see and show us
And again, its not costly at all, in fact it can be done for free. You are making that up each time.
It wont take huge effort either, although any effort into research is already too huge for you
You dont know anything about a tracker and its capabilities because you never used one and refuse to learn anything about it.

Why do you keep saying it cant be done and its expensive even though to show what you describe is very easy and actually free to show?
Why do you dismiss trackers as a good option to show the numbers when you claimed you never used one and in fact refuse to learn anything about them?

Have a go, im intrigued what figments of imagination you could come up with 😉

Your reply fits in with your site rep laminate, that you must stick to at all times to get your $50

1 Any talk of the RNG not performing to odds, ALWAYS ask them to prove it. This is the number one priority, as its something they wont have the funds to do and this must be requested repeatedly.

2 Belittle and publicly condemn people writing about the RNG discrepancies. NB any condemning does not neccessarily have to be true, as long as its effective. This will discourage them from further posts and get those weaker ones sitting on the fence on your side. Remember, its easier to side with a bully and this is key to having the forum under control.

3 Deliberately misquote and misunderstand anything they use to support their case. This will deflect from the subject and engage in conversation away from the points being made.

4 Repeat steps 1-3 in reply to any new comment. Steps 2-3 may be used for those who are taking longer to 'go away'.

Your $50 will be paid monthly into your nominated bank account.

Did you seriously just bring up the poker tracker AGAIN, which of course we all know proves nothing, which is why this thread exists. It comes under laminate 1 of course which is the site main objective.... ask them to prove via something that wont prove it. Push this at all times for your $50 a month.

Then we have belittling with untruths. I was staked whilst on Full Tilt, i did NOT have to pay for any test, they just tracked my results turning $10 into $1000 over a month or so. This was the only criteria and was advertised in Poker Player magazine at the time. The editor even left to do this. Belittle, whist not neccassarily being true, its on the laminate.

Followed up by another lie, that i never escaped microstakes. Lets have a think about this statement can be true in any way. A staking site funding microstakes? Seriously? That would be about as much business sense as letting a poker site run without any tweaking of decks to ensure maximum profit. Makes no business sense whatsoever.

Then we go onto the statement that Sharkscope somehow 'stars' a micro stakes player making nothing but does NOT recognise a 'mid stakes player crushing the game making 10k a month that has no star'. Can anyone spot how this may be wrong!? Remind me of how i get a star but he doesnt and how that would work.......

Then i say in brackets 'please dont suggest a tin pot poker tracker.... but you will', (as we have totally exhausted this line).... what does he do??? yep... most of his post is asking me to get a poker tracker! See how i can totally predict his answers.

DO YOU NEED ANY MORE PROOF THAN THAT TO SEE HE SIMPLY CAN NOT POST WITHOUT STICKING TO THE 4 STEPS ABOVE. COS HE DOESNT GET PAID IF HE DRIFTS AWAY FROM IT!

Oh and i dont research you as i have no interest in a liar or someone who produces fake news to help out sites. But... it appears you have an unhealthy interest in researching me .... who you say is a loser and habitual liar.... now why would someone waste their time doing that, if thats what they really thought hmmmmmm!?

Nobody cares about your crazy tantrums, Percy. Take your pills.

Yes your posts are much more readable and people care about them so much. People can not wait to hear from you on your well educated opinions. Your parents must be so proud and share your thoughts here with their friends, to show them how well you are doing in life.

Just in last few posts;

'unhinged rigturd'
'thanks juicetard'
'rigturd declares victory'
'juicetard seems very angry'

Mother must be reading with her tear in her eye thinking 'thats my boy'....... whilst The Moderator reads on and thinks 'ive made it in life, look at my forum'..... (where then he will predictably say something about my posts instead to deflect away from the standards he allows... you simply know the next replies to these things!)

What is it with crazy rigturds and their love for being the victim? Did your mother not raise you right? Seems like it...

It can certainly prove/show the avalanches of 4 outers you said you've encountered
It can certainly prove/show the same players winning against all odds each time like you said you've encountered
How do you know all the things a tracker can and cant do when you repeatedly said you never used a tracker and refuse to try one?

You are aware they exist and its not just a couple of them? Actually one of them is upstakes which was mentioned by your fellow riggies. Read up!

Good idea, lets remind ourself of how Waddy got his star since its all open information.
Its his only "claim to fame" and a big reason of why he regards himself a good player so it must be a pretty big deal. Lets look at these amazing results and what incredible things one must do to get a star next to their name:

Dear god, 78 tournaments in 7.5 years time with a profit of €97. Thats 13 euros per year!!!! 😃
How on earth do you think thats good?
Your total profit in almost 8 years there is 5 times less than just 1 of my buyins:p
This is what you've been bragging about, this is what you get a star for.... for a profit of not even a hundred dollars in more than 7 years time!!! Not to mention that the last tournament played was more than 10 years ago.
Oh waddyboy. You just never fail to make me laugh, you are hilarious 😃

I can ask you to not post crackpot theories about multi million dollar revenue pokersites picking out certain microstakes player to run bad all the time but that doesnt stop you right? Even though thats a bit more of a stretch than using a tracker to show the avalanches of bad beats you talk about
You of all people cannot blame others for repeating, its in your laminate (your new favorite word😉)

You've said multiple times that I hide my screenname even though its in the open for all to see. Maybe not make silly claims like that when it can be debunked in a minute of research

I have an interest in researching facts, especially when they are so easy to be found. But its clear to everyone that you think doing reseach is "unhealthy" 😃

TJ already debunked that one by quoting post of me bashing a poker site 😉
Thanks again TJ
Your reply fits in perfectly with the delusional riggie laminate, always ignoring the boldedd questions, so I'll be kind and post them again:

Why do you keep saying it cant be done and its expensive even though to show what you describe is very easy and actually free to show?
Why do you dismiss trackers as a good option to show the numbers when you claimed you never used one and in fact refuse to learn anything about them?

It doenst take much time when you are just working with facts. I dont have to think up anything convoluted, I can just show whats right in front of me without ever having to put my tinfoil hat on. You should try the same 😉

Funny that you don't ask Juicetard and Percy Rigturdson the same question. As you morons say, they live in this thread. Juicetard for several years even.

Also, FFS, I count three idiots: You, and the other 2 I just mentioned. Why on earth would someone pay money to convince THREE unimportant rigturds?!?!

You three should be in a band called Los Rigturdos Hermanos.

One of which even claims to not play online poker at all :p
It really is an odd bunch

But hey, what if I told you one of them actually has a revolving silver star for making €13 per year from 2008 to 2016 😃😃😃

When you're ready you can provide some facts to back up your claim that PVI doesn't affect runouts. Remember that?

WORKING WITH FACTS!!!???????????

OMFG

Great work on the Sharkscope figures!!!!! The funny thing is you actually know what you are doing is a lie as you say/do it!!! Absolutely on the laminate as discredit with untruths!

The star, as you well know, represents Full Tilt as a whole.... the figures are no longer there as it got taken over by Pokerstars, so the account figures got wiped....

Yet you post it. I guess you might get BobtheSlob to believe this, but i think anyone with a mind of their own will understand Sharkscope dont deal in stats that award stars for 78 games. The 78 games was to try it out when Pokerstars had got their grubby influence, switching it to their decks. They had. I left. Did i lose in those 78 games? No i didnt.

You really are the biggest liar out there and i see other people are seeing your game now, which is what im back here for. Do you really think people other than Bob and Donjohnnie will buy that i played 78 games in 8yrs... and then pushed for people to look on Sharkscope for that????

Im really showing this site how low you will go.... and best of all you are showing them yourself!

THIS IS WITHOUT DOUBT, THE LOWEST POST IVE SEEN. THE BIGGEST TWISTING OF TRUTH. ALL WITHIN THE REMIT OF HOW TO BELIITLE USING GLARING UNTRUTHS. YOU HAVE EXPOSED YOURSELF FOR WHAT YOUR AIM IS HERE AND PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO SEE IT! And again, the poker tracker is still being talked about....

Well that changes everything of course, seems like Poker is rigged after all....

16/7/26 TheWaddy said: (and hundreds of times)

You last question is what the sites/slugant use as their classic line.... they deflect by saying why would they pick on my low stakes and just for me to lose. This is of course nonsense.
The sites algorithms are working all the time, in every game, tournament, cash hand at every stake level, to ensure results BENEFIT THE SITE most. Whether than this be a newbie (yes we all win our first games dont we?), high volume player (keeping them sweet as their fave site), losers (ensuring they dont lose at the rate their play dictates), whatever the case, the algorithm is working for the most site profitable result.

26/7/26 Slugant said;
I can ask you to not post crackpot theories about multi million dollar revenue pokersites picking out certain microstakes player to run bad all the time but that doesnt stop you right?

And then has the audacity to write;

Originally Posted by Slugant
It doenst take much time when you are just working with facts. I dont have to think up anything convoluted, I can just show whats right in front of me

PLEASE NOTE THIS PERSONS UNTRUSTWORTHY WAY OF CONSTANTLY MISQUOTING IN ATTEMPTS TO INFLUENCE. HE JUST LIES AND LIES AND LIES.

Remember my claim he is working from a site laminate, with one of the points being 'belittle without necessarily being true'? Its right there above in this post.

TheWaddy said just 2hrs earlier;

I guess you might get BobtheSlob to believe this, but i think anyone with a mind of their own will understand Sharkscope dont deal in stats that award stars for 78 games.

They just love showing themselves up , bless em......

Done that.
When you're ready please put your money where your mouth is and take on the bet and stop pussying out like a little girl. Remember that?

Untrue and you have the audacity to tell other they are telling lies??? And anybody can check this!

If the account figures got wiped there wouldnt be a thewaddy on full tilt visible in the first place.

Even you show in your screenshot the figures werent wiped because sharkscope shows Pokerstars AND full tilt (so the FT numbers werent wiped at all, in fact I have showed them here, if they were wiped your precious silver star would have been wiped too). It says full tilt has closed, because it has, but it perfectly shows all the data until the last day they existed!!!

My screenshot of your full tilt sharkscope also CLEARLY shows it tracked full tilt from 2008 to 2016
Now lets take a look at when full tilt migrated to pokerstars (the reason you think the numbers arent there) and your dates on the full time sharkscope

Thats funny, you stopped playing full tilt exactly 3 days before sharkscope stopped tracking full tilt because of the migration. (its almost like all the numbers are there after all 😉)
So all your games played after pokerstars took over are on the pokerstars tab and ALL the full tilt hands are still on the full tilt tab.
It tracked 8 years of TheWaddy on full tilt where you made €97, WOW.

No, chronologically incorrect and therefore a clear lie! Just look at the screenshot above, I highlighted the dates for you in case it wasnt obvious enough
The games you played on full tilt were all BEFORE pokerstars took over full tilt. They were from 2008 to 2016
It says so perfectly in the screenshot ive posted... literally everybody can see it with their own eyes
You are making lies up that are just too easily debunked.

You said you were good at poker because you have a revolving silver star next to your full tilt name on sharkscope
I checked (thats what a bit of research gets ya) and it clearly showed it tracked you for 8 straight on full tilt stopping at the exact time it was taken over by pokerstars.
In those 8 years prior to the takeover you earned €13 a year.
FACTS
ITS ALL THEIR IN THE OPEN FOR EVERYONE TO SEE

How the hell are you going to deny this?
I know it sucks for you because your biggest claim to fame in the poker world has been smashed to shambles but everyone can look it up man. And it already wasnt great that you had to brag about "results" from over 10 years ago.

What are you not understand about this data?
Why are you making up that the numbers were wiped because of a pokerstars takeover even though what they tracked was the 8 years before that even happened

You are in fact the only culprit of "THE BIGGEST TWISTING OF TRUTH." and unfortunately for you, everybody can see it now 😉

Also in all the text of you denying obvious data you forgot to answer to simple questions, I'll have to repeat them unfortunately:

Why do you keep saying it cant be done and its expensive even though to show what you describe is very easy and actually free to show?
Why do you dismiss trackers as a good option to show the numbers when you claimed you never used one and in fact refuse to learn anything about them?

Slugant can you please stop and use facts and documentation to make your point?

I find your insistence on prof borders on the obsessive.

Something although they seem like they would be easily proven can only be approached in terms of believe.

waddy believes himself to be a good player results be damned. Waddy believes games to be rigged evidence be damned .

Since waddy insisted I did actually sharkscope him and beside teh 78 games on full tilt there is also around 5k games on 888 at about 2$ average stake with 3% roi.

So to be totally fair he seems to have consistently won in micro stakes games.