The "LOLCANADA" thread...again
So what's new?
I've noticed the Liberals are now ahead in all major polls and Trudeau hasn't even started to campaign yet
That is a horrible response. It is dismissive and implies that the student was in the wrong to share their true name with you. I think I said something more like "Thank you for sharing [name]". This wasn't some extended discussion of the student's sexuality, we continued the existing conversation about learning math but now I could use their name as opposed to the dead name I h
Glad you like it!
It's certainly an appropriate metaphor for this baffling derail.
"Oh, no, the teacher is showing empathy and kindness toward a student!!"
Weren't you the guy who got multiple of your previous alts banned because you just couldn't control telling all of us your true feelings about LGBT people?
lol oh poilievre. Does this little bit in his car where he real talks about the liberals taking 25k a plate donations from bc housing developers. It’s persuasive, but then I was like isn’t the max like 1750 or something and corporate donations banned for decades? Ah yes, this 25k a plate thing was from 2014, from a minister in a municipal election when that was still allowed in
So your telling us to not focus on Pride as it doesn't effect us yet you keep bringing up Pierre who at this point is not relevant as the Liberals have a majority. I think all of us that are conservative other than Shifty agree he should have stepped down when he lost the election and his seat.
He didn't so his job is to act as the opposition . HE has a right to be critical of Carney and Communist Eby for bailing out developers by buying up a portion of their condos . The reality is this should not happen unless they get them at a huge discount . Are Eby and Carney bailing out the individual investor that bought a unit pre construction and now screwed by the drop in value and the fact Eby blocked short term rentals.
Gotta love Carney a new bill to bring clean drinking water to the north another 3-4 billion and no mention of Trudeau's failure on this matter
Heck even Steven Guibeault seems to have walked away from the :Liberals in his comments but Uke keeps defending them
I didn't say this. Given the kind of reactions you lot have had to the simple story of a student coming out as trans I think you SHOULD focus on pride. It sounds like an important personal growth area for you.
yet you keep bringing up Pierre who at this point is not relevant as the Liberals have a majority. I think all of us that are conservative other than Shifty agree he should have stepped down when he lost the election and his seat.
This is the Canadian politics thread and Poilievre is the leader of the official opposition. How is his consistent lies and distortions not completely relevant to this thread? Certainly more relevant than your guy's inquisition of my job.
He didn't so his job is to act as the opposition . HE has a right to be critical of Carney and Communist Eby for bailing out developers by buying up a portion of their condos . The reality is this should not happen unless they get them at a huge discount . Are Eby and Carney bailing out the individual investor that bought a unit pre construction and now screwed by the drop in value and the fact Eby blocked short term rentals.
Eby confirmed this is NOT for Vancouver and yes it seems precisely they are aiming to find ways of getting things at a steep discount IF it goes through. Both were emphatically clear this is NOT a bailout of investors. The idea is if the government is aiming to provide affordable rent-to-own housing for segments of the market like low income mothers, then if it is cheaper to do this by buying heavily discounted extra stock outside Vancouver than to build brand new buildings it is a reasonable enough idea. The conservative framing of this is not remotely what is being suggested. Additionally the focus of the announcement is really on reducing development fees.
Heck even Steven Guibeault seems to have walked away from the :Liberals in his comments but Uke keeps defending them
I largely agree with Guibeault's criticisms that Carney has walked away from important planks of the Trudeau era of taking action on climate change. I understand why Carney did it. We are between a rock and a hard place right now globally on climate action, and I think that push comes to shove I do what Carney did as well, even though I would feel awful about it and wish we could globally be making more action on climate change together. You phrase this as some sort of hypocrisy. I think it is just reality.
I thought as I moved to British Columbia I could call myself a British Columbians but no more under the NDP government.i must now call myself from BC
Well identity politics is definitely your thing so that makes sense.
Eby has a lower approval rating than Trump it's amazing how many idiots get elected and reelected
I don't base my identity like whether I am "Canadian" or "British Columbian" based on whether or not I politically favour the current government.
I get that your blind burning hatred of Trudeau has seemingly latched onto Eby, but like, that's politics man I dunno what to tell ya.
I thought as I moved to British Columbia I could call myself a British Columbians but no more under the NDP government.i must now call myself from BC
I live in Alberta and consider myself a centrist, which makes me a bleeding heart liberal on the Alberta spectrum. This, even though I believe the Liberals spew too much money on social programs, have too many incentives for people not to work, are not diligent enough on immigration, have a bloated public service, should defund the CBC except for radio, and should kill silly high speed rail plans because we lack the population density to support them.
I'd gladly vote conservative again if they had a new leader and if the far right wasn't as extreme as it is.
Things seemed to go downhill when Canada spite-voted Harper out..... voted out for reasons I still don't fully understand.
This was curious to me. It looks like in Alberta a single person who is able to work but chooses not to can get about 11 grand a year for basic food and shelter. A disability that created a barrier to full employment but isn’t severely handicapped might get up to 13 grand. That doesn’t strike me as anywhere close enough to be a disincentive to work.
the choice of 22k a year to work or 13k a year to not work is a no brainer to me. what are you talking about. Your broke and living in your parents basement or with 5 room mates in either scenario so what's the difference.
after taxes minimum wage is 22k a year in alberta but also a lot of these minimum wage jobs would rather pay 3 people to work 14 hours a week rather then pay one person for 40 hours a week to avoid paying benefits
Its way easier to take the 13k and have 40 hours a week free to work under the table or side hustle another 9k a year. heck you could make more then 9k collecting cans off the street like a person experiencing homelessness.
Alberta poker is getting regulated and ring fenced next month. I could train a a literall muppet to make 40k+ a year let alone 9k
I still don't understand what some of your folks find problematic about uke_master's interaction with the student.
Although I have taken note those opposed to Uke being empathic toward a troubled student are the same folks here who think homeless folks belong in labor camps or left for dead in the street.
Yeah have to agree. The piling on the professor is getting a bit ridiculous now. I think all the pride stuff is utter nonsense but a trans student told the professor their name. Lets burn down the university!!
the choice of 22k a year to work or 13k a year to not work is a no brainer to me. what are you talking about. Your broke and living in your parents basement or with 5 room mates in either scenario so what's the difference. after taxes minimum wage is 22k a year in alberta but also a lot of these minimum wage jobs would rather pay 3 people to work 14 hours a week rather then pay
I feel like I’m today’s food and housing economy 11k or 13k if disabled is so pathetically tiny someone who is actively choosing that life is hardly living an enviable life. If anything that amount of money seems too small for those who really need it for whatever combination of life factors are unable or unwilling to work.
In contrast to Poilievre's grumpy refusal, I feel like this is just the easiest political win:
. Like what is it 4% or something of people you just get such an easy political argument that one guy is supporting you and one guy isn't. Are you really so worried about pushback from the social conservative right that it is worth alienating?
This was curious to me. It looks like in Alberta a single person who is able to work but chooses not to can get about 11 grand a year for basic food and shelter. A disability that created a barrier to full employment but isn’t severely handicapped might get up to 13 grand. That doesn’t strike me as anywhere close enough to be a disincentive to work.
I am talking about Canada, not just Alberta. And, you selected one scenario - disability.
There is public housing, with social assistance, and people choosing not to work because after daycare, etc costs they will make less money. The EI system has built-in ways to angle-shoot. I know people in NS that get mad when a planned plant closure doesn't occur because they were counting on the time off on EI. That's right...people are pissed that they did not get laid off.
There are Service Canada training programs that people know how to play and get abused.
There are many ways to abuse provincial and federal gov support.
My point is, when it comes to government forms of income assistance...... when someone can say.. "why should I get a job when I can make more money not working", then we have a problem. Taxpayers subsidizing people to stay home is not the Canada I want. People happy with a yearly shutdown so they can have two months off at my expense as a taxpayer is not cool, imo.
I would add that I don't think gov should be involved in the BC condo bail out for low income housing or whatever their plan is. Let the market correct itself.
I feel like I’m today’s food and housing economy 11k or 13k if disabled is so pathetically tiny someone who is actively choosing that life is hardly living an enviable life. If anything that amount of money seems too small for those who really need it for whatever combination of life factors are unable or unwilling to work.
that's the thing tho 22k is also so incredibly tiny theres no motivation to earn it. your already not living an enviable life with 22k that its the easy decision to take 9k less and have 40 free hours a week. There's like not a huge difference between being really poor and really really poor mentally but theres a huge difference mentally not working 40 hours for nothing
UBI and NIT (Negative Income Tax) schemes are probably only workable if they completely replace (and not merely augment) all existing public assistance programs.
In two of his books*, Charles Murray has advocated for NIT and UBI, and in each case he said it is only workable if all other public assistance programs are eliminated.
*What it Means to be a Libertarian (NIT) and In Our Hands (UBI)
I am talking about Canada, not just Alberta. And, you selected one scenario - disability. There is public housing, with social assistance, and people choosing not to work because after daycare, etc costs they will make less money. The EI system has built-in ways to angle-shoot. I know people in NS that get mad when a planned plant closure doesn't occur because they were coun
If you don't want Alberta I'll run the numbers for BC, looks like a non-disabled single adult who chooses not to work can get a maximum of under 13k a year, that is if their housing situation is the one that gives the highest amount. That's still...tiny compared to today's cost of living.
I think it might be useful to separate away angle-shoots like fake enrolling in training programs or temporary EI - I'm happy to clamp down on abuse. But the long term structural amount of money you can regularly expect to get for not working is a paltry amount. I'm really not sure what this cohort of people who allegedly can make more money not working than working really is.
I will agree on daycare costs. That does keep a lot of particularly mothers at home instead of working. This is why I supported $10/day daycare which is among the best things you can do to get women back into the workforce.
that's the thing tho 22k is also so incredibly tiny theres no motivation to earn it. your already not living an enviable life with 22k that its the easy decision to take 9k less and have 40 free hours a week. There's like not a huge difference between being really poor and really really poor mentally but theres a huge difference mentally not working 40 hours for nothing
I feel like for someone making, say, six figures the difference between 11k and 22k doesn't sound like a lot - that's just a nice bonus. But for someone who only has 11k and can barely barely house and feed themselves, doubling their income sure as **** is going to feel like a difference. Besides I'm getting more like 30k after tax in BC for full time work not 22k but whatever.
Is your guy's policy to just just cut the 11k in half say? It seems like we are already at the rock bottom bear minimum to keep people off the streets at this point a significant cut of this for people who for whatever reason rightly or wrongly are not working is likely to exacerbate social situations not make them better. But I guess you were the guy suggesting that a little bit of work ethic from forced labour would fix addicts being homeless so maybe you do think that.
You talk like someones whos never been poor. I agree were already at the rock bottom for livable wages. but when you drop below a livable wage you don't automatically become homeless humans have support structures and family also you can just go into debt and not pay it which is what a lot of people do There's pretty chill rules if you don't mind dodging collection agency calls. ever hear of a roommate? . Its incredibly hard to become homeless but its not hard to be in poverty. lazy people don't become homeless drug addicts do.
I'm not against these type of social services thats you making assumptions im left on most of these type of things (and i think even the conservative party is? im not sure). im just stating facts but I don't think theres a viable solution to fix it. I agree 13k is not enough and it should be raised I already thought it was a lot more. I don't think what were talking about has much to do with the homeless problem.
I agree 13k is not enough and it should be raised I already thought it was a lot more.
Ok well then fair enough. I thought you were trying to argue it was too high so there was no incentive to work. And I don't disagree that lots of extremely poor people can manage to avoid homelessness by relying on family for housing to an extent, but I do think if that 13k was slashed in half or removed, that you are absolutely risking an increased homelessness rate. What I said was that it would exacerbate the problem and I think that is fair.
lazy people don't become homeless drug addicts do.
Then wtf was all this BS from you earlier about forced labour camps to give people a good work ethic and purpose in life? Like I completely agree, the primary problem is drug dependencies (and/or mental health) not "laziness".
I mean there is no incentive to work a minimum wage job specifically. im not talking about working in general thats some far right bs for sure. "no one wants to work anymore" I hate that line when someone says it I want to punch them in the face they just don't wanna work for you because your a dick and don't want to pay fair market value.
idk man things are not going so good im down to try some stuff! We don't have to call them "forced labor camps" we can call them "involuntary rehab centers" and they ain't gonna pay for themselves! I do generally believe working helps your mental health. why not kill two birds with one stone!
We don't have to call them "forced labor camps" we can call them "involuntary rehab centers" and they ain't gonna pay for themselves! I do generally believe working helps your mental health.
I'd go right to the original german and call them Arbeitserziehungslager which loosely translates to "work education camp" iirc if we are going for nice euphemisms.
