USA Goes to War Against Iran
Time for a dedicated thread to the war.
How long will it last and what will be the probable outcome?
OK. Idk the exact state of the world map in 600.
Is this not the period when Iran itself was conquered by Arab Muslims?
I don't have a dog in this fight btw it's immaterial to any point I've made.
That was an earlier wave I got the date a lil wrong 650 was arabs a little later were the turks . Turkish elite took over iran converted and used the Iranians to do the same to their neighbors. Turks and arabs became iran since they were just a small ruling elite that integrated so it was Iran doing the colonialism
It might well be that Iran has been colonial I am not an expert. But I'm not taking the National Review word for it. Here's an excerpt. As you say the Colonialism consisted of...
OK? That's your article. It's NOT COLONIALISM. I'm happy to admit whatever is the case but that article is propaganda.
liberals, Western Supremacists, and Imperialists constantly do this kind of inversion. the IRCG are somehow the Imperialists when the US and Israel were occupying large parts of Lebanon. or when the IRCG was fighting Wester backed Salafi death squads.
or when they call indigenous armed resistance against military targets terrorism while Israel takes out entire apartment blocks.
Anyway what's happening in Israel does not fit the definition of Colonialism. Israel is not a foreign state or nation and there's no resources being exploited and there's no cultural domination going on. more of a gtfo and do your own thing attitude .
Invasion/landgrabs after they keep winning every war maybe. but that's not the same imo. They could have taken everything
So, the war that was almost over isn't?
It might well be that Iran has been colonial I am not an expert. But I'm not taking the National Review word for it. Here's an excerpt. As you say the Colonialism consisted of...
OK? That's your article. It's NOT COLONIALISM. I'm happy to admit whatever is the case but that article is propaganda.
Iran established Hezbollah in order to establish an outpost as a sphere of influence, and they did much the same in Iraq. Shia Islam is a minority of Lebanon’s population. It is at least colonialism adjacent to occupy a country and train a paramilitary quasi-government force with the purpose of achieving regional military dominance.
The purpose of quoting the article wasn’t to say I agree with everything the National Review says or everything in the article.
It does, in the same way that the creation of the United States, with white settlers usurping the natives and taking all their land (that is, colonising the territory) fits the definition of colonialism. Particularly when you add the colonisation of the West Bank into the equation.
They could have taken everything
They pretty much have.
The initial land was purchased legally from the Ottomans. Then when the Ottoman empire fell, the land passed to the British, who initially did not want to recognize Israel but eventually did. The vast majority of land was not actually owned by the Arabs native to the Mandate of Palestine.
Looks like iran is going to allow internet for its peeps again. Who knows how.much of that was public pressure or economic pressure but a good thing regardless.
The initial land was purchased legally from the Ottomans.
who cares? the vast majority of the land in the US was bought lol "legally"
It does, in the same way that the creation of the United States, with white settlers usurping the natives and taking all their land (that is, colonising the territory) fits the definition of colonialism. Particularly when you add the colonisation of the West Bank into the equation.
They pretty much have.
maybe it did in 1945 but those people are dead (even tho it was legally given to them . should we kill all the white people in north america too?
Who ever flipped that switch most certainly made the cringe face for at least a full second.
Would really cut down the Morgan Wallen and Jellyroll fandoms.
It’s brilliant of Trump to require the Arab states to sign the Abraham accords. Iran bombing these countries has severely backfired. This could completely reorder the Middle East.
Iran established Hezbollah in order to establish an outpost as a sphere of influence, and they did much the same in Iraq. Shia Islam is a minority of Lebanon’s population. It is at least colonialism adjacent to occupy a country and train a paramilitary quasi-government force with the purpose of achieving regional military dominance.The purpose of quoting the article wasn&
When you go into debate that uses terminology like this, things get murky. Experts differ on what the terms mean, colloquial usage of the terms differ from that and even when you agree on what the term means, you can disagree on what the facts are.
That said, imperialism and colonialism is not the same thing. Imperialism is the goal of gaining influence and control over a foreign territory's political decisions. Colonialism is to make (or attempt to make) a colony, which means total control and rule over the territory in question. An imperialist nation does necessarily have colonies. It can have puppet states, vassal states, protectorates, bought kleptocracies, etc.
I don't see any controversy in calling Iran's actions in Lebanon imperialist. It is pretty much textbook imperialism through proxy, and it is not soft imperialism either, but rather the brutal kind which openly uses killing and terror to suppress local protest. However, it is not colonialist. I doubt Iran has any grand plan to seize Lebanon, even inside the most fanatic circles of the IRGC they probably realize that this would ruin them. Colonialism is expensive and unstable.
Of course, these days imperialism is a pejorative in political debate. People generally ascribe it when a nation uses soft and hard power to spread influence and force political decisions they do not agree with. When a nation uses it to spread influence and force political decisions they agree with, they find a nice term for it, like liberation, mutual defense or protecting its interests.
When you go into debate that uses terminology like this, things get murky. Experts differ on what the terms mean, colloquial usage of the terms differ from that and even when you agree on what the term means, you can disagree on what the facts are. That said, imperialism and colonialism is not the same thing. Imperialism is the goal of gaining influence and control over a forei
actually colonialism was quite defined and most people in this thread are using it wrong including me. But thats normal people use words wrong to justify their shitty beliefs like genocide for example . I forget what its called but colonialism was agreed to be considered only overseas territorys from europe. So iranian or chinese expansion etc wouldn't actually be colonialism even tho it was the same or arguably worse . colonialism was considered a positive term untill like 10 years ago anyway. Jews migrating en mass from Europe wouldn't be defined as colonialism under any circumstances because its not overseass from a single state.
Was never considered a positive term over my way.
why do you hate america !
When you go into debate that uses terminology like this, things get murky. Experts differ on what the terms mean, colloquial usage of the terms differ from that and even when you agree on what the term means, you can disagree on what the facts are. That said, imperialism and colonialism is not the same thing. Imperialism is the goal of gaining influence and control over a forei
I agree with this distinction that you’re making, but in practice I think it’s a lot less clear that people actually do make that distinction. A lot of what is called neocolonialism is probably better classified as ideological/economic/military hegemony.
I’m just pointing out that if people think the US interfering in world affairs is colonialism, how much more is the IRGC colonial?
