USA Goes to War Against Iran
Time for a dedicated thread to the war.
How long will it last and what will be the probable outcome?
So, if there is a "deal", it wont really be a "peace deal", but rather an extension of the ceasefire (30 or 60 days) so that the straight can gradually open, and that the sticky points are to be negotiated later. Seeing as to date they can't agree on anything, not sure how that is going to work.
I have not read Art of the Deal but I am pretty sure it doesn't advocate over-promise and under-deliver, which seems to be a trap Trump keeps getting caught in.
Hard to imagine how this isn't just (1) more Iranian stalling combined with (2) Trump really not wanting to go to the next stage with the war.
I have not read Art of the Deal but I am pretty sure it doesn't advocate over-promise and under-deliver, which seems to be a trap Trump keeps getting caught in.
I haven't read it either, but maybe 90% of the book is dedicated to manipulating markets because he seems to be good at that.
So, if there is a "deal", it wont really be a "peace deal", but rather an extension of the ceasefire (30 or 60 days) so that the straight can gradually open, and that the sticky points are to be negotiated later. Seeing as to date they can't agree on anything, not sure how that is going to work.I have not read Art of the Deal but I am pretty sure it doesn't advocate over-promis
trump will entertain those options when SPY drops below 700. He likely isn't going to do **** when the market has had one of its largest rips in history while you're the net exporter of an essential product that your enemies need.
Many things.
However, for the starry-eyed students of history who wish for empire and view the odd genocide as the cost of doing business, the most pressing issue is that colonialism doesn't actually work.
It's like mowing your lawn with explosives and a flame-thrower. Sure, it solves the issue of tall grass, but the ensuing mess is a far bigger problem and you are at genuine risk of no longer having a house.
worked in the US, Canada, Australia at least. probably most of Africa too as most of the wealth is still expropriated. remains to be seen if it will work in Palestine. its weird that a massive Euro supporter would criticize it.
Colonialism is literally the opposite of socialism.
The resources of a place belong to the people who love there.
Colonialism, as Victor said, is to expropriate the resources.
Socialism is to use the resources to benefit the people.
Colonialism is literally the opposite of socialism.
The resources of a place belong to the people who live there.
Colonialism, as Victor said, is to expropriate the resources.
Socialism is to use the resources to benefit the people.
Most opponents of colonialism are just as mistaken about its benefits as its supporters. They also tend to believe that it magically generated a ton of wealth, power and benefits for the colonial empires, they just oppose the ethical aspect of it.
In reality, colonialism generates wealth much in the same way as a bank robbery. Meaning that in the grand scheme of things it generates no wealth at all and in the overall economic and societal picture is just a big fat net loss. The odd bank robber might manage to scrounge away some ill-gotten gains, but even those guys would for the most part have done far better by not robbing banks. Not to mention that the vast majority won't even get to enjoy such limited success, but rather pay a steep price for their choices.
We're not disagreeing. I said they expropriate resources, not generate wealth. If your stance is that Colonialism doesn't expropriate the resources, then we have nothing to discuss.
We're not disagreeing. I said they expropriate resources, not generate wealth. If your stance is that Colonialism doesn't expropriate the resources, then we have nothing to discuss.
We agree on colonialism, but I thought it was important to note that even the expropriations were a net loss for the nations doing it. A few wealthy robber barons is not much of a win. Even for the people who want a few robber barons, you can make those at home with far less hassle.
As for socialism, that is a disagreement best tackled in another thread on another day.
Most opponents of colonialism are just as mistaken about its benefits as its supporters. They also tend to believe that it magically generated a ton of wealth, power and benefits for the colonial empires, they just oppose the ethical aspect of it.In reality, colonialism generates wealth much in the same way as a bank robbery. Meaning that in the grand scheme of things it genera
the elites at the top of colonial society dont give a **** about the "grand scheme of things." and ofc colonialism generates vast amounts of wealth at the expense of the indigenous and enslaved.
when it stops being profitable, like in India for example, is when they go home.
Of course the far left defines colonialism exclusively as a Western thing and don’t care about Iranian or Russian or any other historical colonialism not connected to Europe.
Of course the far left defines colonialism exclusively as a Western thing and don’t care about Iranian or Russian or any other historical colonialism not connected to Europe.
What Iranian Colonialism? Are you talk ng about Xerxes or something?
And, idk wtf the "far left" believes, I have HIGHLY idiosyncratic ideas that are admittedly full of contradictions.
I hate Russia. Thug state. Colonialism is absolutely not a western phenomenon.
Many things.However, for the starry-eyed students of history who wish for empire and view the odd genocide as the cost of doing business, the most pressing issue is that colonialism doesn't actually work. It's like mowing your lawn with explosives and a flame-thrower. Sure, it solves the issue of tall grass, but the ensuing mess is a far bigger problem and you are at genuine ri
I live in canada and you probably live in america. I would say it worked out pretty well for us
What Iranian Colonialism? Are you talk ng about Xerxes or something?
And, idk wtf the "far left" believes, I have HIGHLY idiosyncratic ideas that are admittedly full of contradictions.
I hate Russia. Thug state. Colonialism is absolutely not a western phenomenon.
Way more recent then that Turkification was colonizedmostly from 600-800ad where the Turks took over the old roman or byzantine empire with Iran. Most of that territory was greek and Christian
Way more recent then that Turkification was colonialism mostly from 600-800ad where the Turks took over the old roman or byzantine empire with Iran. Most of that territory was greek and Christian
OK. Idk the exact state of the world map in 600.
Is this not the period when Iran itself was conquered by Arab Muslims?
I don't have a dog in this fight btw it's immaterial to any point I've made.
worked in the US, Canada, Australia at least. probably most of Africa too as most of the wealth is still expropriated. remains to be seen if it will work in Palestine. its weird that a massive Euro supporter would criticize it.
Apart from the delusions about the effectiveness of colonialism, your post is pretty damn rich coming from someone who posted the most directly pro-imperialist post made on this forum over the last year where you explicitly stated your support for your nation to invade, occupy and seize foreign territory, and you hoped they did it "with force".
But of course, those were socialist motivations, so they can't possibly be bad or called out by other socialists.
Apart from the delusions about the effectiveness of colonialism, your post is pretty damn rich coming from someone who posted the most directly pro-imperialist post made on this forum over the last year where you explicitly stated your support for your nation to invade, occupy and seize foreign territory, and you hoped they did it "with force".But of course, those were social
brother you support NATO and Israel. wanting those things destroyed is not Imperialism. they are the Imperialists.
If you kill everyone.
What Iranian Colonialism? Are you talk ng about Xerxes or something?
And, idk wtf the "far left" believes, I have HIGHLY idiosyncratic ideas that are admittedly full of contradictions.
I hate Russia. Thug state. Colonialism is absolutely not a western phenomenon.
Khomeini’s Islamic Revolution was an imperialist project from the beginning, as one of his first moves after taking power (even before the collapse of the post-shah provisional government in November 1979) was to establish the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) to spread his ideas. Shortly thereafter he made moves in Lebanon, dispatching “1,500 IRGC advisers [to] set up a base in the Bekaa Valley as part of [his] goal to export the Islamic Revolution to the Arab world,” as Matthew Levitt put it. Those advisers were instrumental in creating Hezbollah, which has served to spread Iran’s influence throughout the world.
In 1998, the al-Quds Force, the IRGC’s unconventional-warfare unit, got a new leader when Qassem Soleimani was appointed commander. Soleimani has ramped up Iran’s colonial enterprise, capitalizing on the U.S. toppling of Saddam Hussein in 2003 to take over Iraq in a way Iran could never have accomplished on its own. The so-called Arab Spring offered Soleimani the opportunity to stake out territory in Syria using Hezbollah and in Yemen using the Shia Houthi rebels, completing the goal of a “Shia Crescent” stretching from the Gulf to the Mediterranean.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/12/a...
Aside from that, well you also highlighted a big issue is that not everyone means the same thing when they say “colonialism”. I doubt that victor would define colonialism the same way you did.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/12/a...
Aside from that, well you also highlighted a big issue is that not everyone means the same thing when they say “colonialism”. I doubt that victor would define colonialism the same way you did.
It might well be that Iran has been colonial I am not an expert. But I'm not taking the National Review word for it. Here's an excerpt. As you say the Colonialism consisted of...
establish the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) to spread his ideas. Shortly thereafter he made moves in Lebanon, dispatching “1,500 IRGC advisers [to] set up a base in the Bekaa Valley as part of [his] goal to export the Islamic Revolution to the Arab world,” as Matthew Levitt put it. Those advisers were instrumental in creating Hezbollah
OK? That's your article. It's NOT COLONIALISM. I'm happy to admit whatever is the case but that article is propaganda.
