USA Goes to War Against Iran
Time for a dedicated thread to the war.
How long will it last and what will be the probable outcome?
You misinterpret my stance, I'm antiwar, especially wars of choice like Iraq 2003. Like the majority of people I can understand Afghanistan, although not forgive that **** show of an exit.
A silver lining I see from America losing wars is maybe we'll eventually learn to stop starting them unnecessarily.
No chance I'm afraid. Modern America lives for war and its politicians are incentivised by the MIC to start them.
The war also wasn’t nearly as disastrous as the media wants to portray. We bombed Iran with impunity for a month only having a single aircraft shot down. Iran isn’t some backwater terrorist regime. Their military and defenses were supposed to be formidable. And in the end of the day boots never touched the ground.
I don’t care about virtue signaling bud. I speak facts and truth.And by genocide I didnt necessarily mean Holocaust style genocide (actual genocide) but ethnically cleansing the surrounding area. Under normal circumstances (not involving Jews), this would have been done with no qualms or resistance. Obviously no nation should be expected to tolerate suicide bombings from ext
At least we agree on something
Don’t think I ever said that and if I did I must have been drunk. You’re probably confusing my infusion of facts into the thread as saying we need to save the Iranian people.
You must be drunk a lot.
Facts, lmao.
Your idea of a fact:
"The US would never intentionally bomb a school. Source: muh feels."
The war also wasn’t nearly as disastrous as the media wants to portray. We bombed Iran with impunity for a month only having a single aircraft shot down. Iran isn’t some backwater terrorist regime. Their military and defenses were supposed to be formidable. And in the end of the day boots never touched the ground.
I stated when the war was still very fresh that Iran would score no meaningful tactical victories. Mostly due to the lopsided balance when it comes to military capacity, but also because I doubt the US would put itself in a position where that might happen. The latter is also what Iran gambled (and is still gambling) on.
I would say I was mostly correct. As you say, US and Israel dominated the skies, which is bad news for the enemy when the war is essentially a massive bombing campaign.
Still, we actually saw that the US failed in adequately protecting bases and airfields. Initially because the Iranian and response was miscalculated, and later on because it simply lacked the capacity to do so. Similarly, protection of obvious civilian targets failed for similar reasons. The consequences of those failures can certainly be hand-waved away by people who don't want to look at it, because it was never at a level that would change the outcome of the war. Still, lives were lost, material was lost and bases had to abandoned. Critically, Iran's capacity to close the Strait of Hormuz was seriously misjudged.
However, serious analyses of US failures are not about the tactical aspects, rather these analyses concern the strategic, political and diplomatic aspects of the war.
* Initial strategic goals were abandoned pretty much by day three, and since then it has been impossible to get a clear answer on what those goals actually are, and I suspect it mainly boils down to "I don't want to look like I failed, so I will wait for something I can claim as victory".
* All involved political leadership has been an amateurish embarrassment of contradictions, rants and lies. US, Israel and Iran alike.
* At the diplomatic level, the US has managed to look unhinged and unstable next to an opponent who is an insane theocratic tyranny governed by what is essentially a religiously indoctrinated mafia in uniform. That is no small feat.
All that said, it bears repetition that it has been case through this entire war that we have far too few facts to see a full picture. The US and Israel runs a very opaque show politically, and Iran is pulling a North Korea. The final outcome of the war, or even if it is even over, is not clear. It might not be so for a good while yet.
they tried to do #actualGenocide. but the brave and honorable grandkids of the past victims of crimes committed by the Jewish State stopped them.
The war also wasn’t nearly as disastrous as the media wants to portray. We bombed Iran with impunity for a month only having a single aircraft shot down. Iran isn’t some backwater terrorist regime. Their military and defenses were supposed to be formidable. And in the end of the day boots never touched the ground.
I like how you're speaking in past tense. The war isn't over; unfortunately, it's just getting started.
Also, we lost at least seven aircraft and at least 13 young military members have died. I know, I know... nbd because those 13 dead don't personally affect you stuffing a box of Krispy Kreme doughnuts into your gullet.
I stated when the war was still very fresh that Iran would score no meaningful tactical victories. Mostly due to the lopsided balance when it comes to military capacity, but also because I doubt the US would put itself in a position where that might happen. The latter is also what Iran gambled (and is still gambling) on.I would say I was mostly correct. As you say, US and Israe
Fair points. I agree that the war was handled very poorly from the US side but you can’t expect much when it’s Trump and Hegseth running the show.
Trump ran his mouth and set completely unrealistic expectations for the war.
right right. they are perpetual victims.
The US is moving mass amounts of assets to the Middle East. This ceasefire is nothing more than a rest/reload situation. These negations right now are nothing more than the US telling the Iranians how it's gonna go. The President has allowed the current leaders to stay alive. If they don’t capitulate which they won't they are dead. It’s time to turn Iran into a park
Makes sense that our resident date-rapist would also be fine with the death of tens of millions of innocent people.
The Palestinians are perpetual victims. They were living pathetic lives before the Nakba and continue to this day. Why can’t they overcome like other nations who have gone through tough times? They are lucky to have the Israelis as the adult in the room.
Again, Israel would have been and has had justification to conduct actual genocide. The fact that they haven’t over the past century is more than we could say for any other nation.
Please tell us more about 'justifiable actual genocide.' I have to admit I've never heard of such a thing.
I don’t care about virtue signaling bud. I speak facts and truth.And by genocide I didnt necessarily mean Holocaust style genocide (actual genocide) but ethnically cleansing the surrounding area. Under normal circumstances (not involving Jews), this would have been done with no qualms or resistance. Obviously no nation should be expected to tolerate suicide bombings from ext
Bolded is the mantra of pretty much every nutjob I've seen on the internet or in 'real life.'
