GOAT NBA Discussion: Biggest fraud poster: fallguy. Super AIDS Containment thread
LeBron goes 13/14 for 30 points and you can't just say "that's incredible for a 41 year old."
You can say that, and it doesn't mean you can't think MJ is GOAT.
If role players can put up 30 pts in the NBA then they probably should pay some defensive attention to them!
You guys don't understand how bad a game like this is for the Lakers in the LONG RUN.
Specifically, now that Lebron scored 30 points on 93% shooting, the inclination is to look for him more and involve him more...
BIG MISTAKE
it was an obvious one-off where he got bunch of bunnies... Increasing his role will put Reaves back to 3rd option, which doesn't work - this season and last season showed that the trio is massively negative UNLESS lebron is a 3rd option carried role player - that's the formula for success that they only recently figured out (even though I said this LAST season - I knew immediately)
LeBron goes 13/14 for 30 points and you can't just say "that's incredible for a 41 year old."
You can say that, and it doesn't mean you can't think MJ is GOAT.
It isn't incredible to drop 30 points on all bunnies as a carried role player
I've done this personally, and it's no big deal
Every role player has several games a year where they shoot lights out and/or do flukey-type things.
They don't have to go exactly 13/14 because maybe they went 11/15 but had 5 steals, or 5 blocks, or some other type of one-off.
Remember - when Luka/Reaves/Lebron were in the floor together this year, they were really bad and the numbers show that Lebron was the weak link.. The solution to this problem was LESS LEBRON.. let that sink in
Good to know that you scored 30 points in the NBA as a 41 year old.
Weird I didn't remember it.
And just for record keeping purposes. No one, not names LeBron James (4 times), has scored 30 points or more as a 41 year old.
But obviously not amazing.
Only 2 other players did it at 40 or older.
And just for record keeping purposes. No one, not names LeBron James (4 times), has scored 30 points or more as a 41 year old.
But obviously not amazing.
Only 2 other players did it at 40 or older.
Maybe he'll drop 20 points at 50
Whooptiwhoop
He still won't be anywhere near Jordan, and you're aware of this
He couldn't get 70 wins, three-peat or dynasty no matter who we put around him, aka objectively inferior to MJ...
He couldn't win with career 2nd options like Pippen and needed dominant 1st options to play 2nd and 3rd option for him .. yet he still mostly lost because Bron-ball has bad chemistry regardless of cast
For more record keeping. Shooting 13/14 and scoring 30 points for anyone, any age, is a incredible game.
I would have said the same if it was Moses Moody.
It had been done once this season by someone other than LeBron James.
Here's a full list of players that have had 30 points or more on better than 90% shooting more than once in their career.
Stop saying it isn't an incredible game.
For more record keeping. Shooting 13/14 and scoring 30 points for anyone, any age, is a incredible game. I would have said the same if it was Moses Moody.It had been done once this season by someone other than LeBron James.Here's a full list of players that have had 30 points or more on better than 90% shooting more than once in their career. Stop saying it isn't an incredible
No, it simply isn't "incredible"
A worse scorer than Pippen just scored 36 points on free throws alone in today's mickey mouse format, yet you're praising someone for scoring 30 points total on bunnies.
Again, maybe lebron will score 20 points at 50 years old... It still won't be "incredible" and will have zero bearing on his standing compared to Jordan
By the way. Stop comparing 41 year old LeBron to early 30s MJ.
No one is saying he's better now than early 30s MJ.
All he's doing now is putting icing on the cake of a better career than MJ.
He's putting his records further out of reach of any other player.
Not in today's game when bums are getting twice as much on FT's alone
If I was repeatedly fed the ball, I could get 20 points in my prime on 25-35% shooting, at least in today's game
And this goes for ANY division 1 player and even guys lower than that.. This is likely the COMMON sentiment among former or current college players.
Maybe you just don't understand how wide open and ridiculous today's game is... Players aren't ALLOWED to contest shots like they used to and a cursory look at footage shows defenders unable to truly contest shots - the rules prevent it
A better career than 2 three-peats, 10 scoring titles, and 11 for 11 (11 MVP or FMVP in 11 full seasons)???
Jordan has twice the title or MVP frequency as Lebron.
So maybe lay off the crack-cocaine.
* Most turnovers ever
* Most missed shots ever
* Most missed FT's ever
* 4 rings in 23 seasons = nowhere near the best career
* Biggest loser ever on the championship level (6 Finals losses)
* the west's B*TCH (22-33 against the West)
* Quit on his team and teamed up with opponents (goat meltdown in 2010)
* The goat choke (2011)
* Never won with "normal" rosters of 1 franchise player
* The "Barry Bonds" of basketball
* More "bad losses" than anyone in history (sweeps, record margin, locked up, or upset)
* Lost by record amount 3 times, including 2 super-teams
* 3 first round losses with top 5 teammates
* 5 upset losses
* Barely won 1 chip with sure-fire dynasty rosters (3 franchise players from 3 different teams joining forces)
Sorry, but you're objectively wrong - the above list represents the biggest loser, choker and underachiever of rosters in NBA history, not the best career... smh lol
The media simply lies and pretends that longevity records suddenly matter.. They never did, so it's pure fraud... Playing at a lower level for longer (longevity) means nothing.
Lebron's career is one big trainwreck with one disaster after another... The idea that he had the best career is ludicrous
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Goat career doh
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Kenny Smith talks about MJ being forced to defeat max defensive attention (carry scoring load):
LeBron going 19/15/10 on only 12 fga's while a teammate takes 30+ fga's and scores 60 adds about 14 things to the list of things Lebron did that Jordan could never.
Lebron has sneaked back into the 2nd option role, which spells DOOM for the Lakers...
Mark my words - the Lakers aren't real contenders with Lebron cratering Reaves.
They aren't good enough to be contenders with their 2nd option getting cratered and playing 10 ppg below his true capability
If anything Doncic is turning Reaves and Lebron into co-3rd options. By taking 30 fga's per game and regularly launching 15 3's, everyone is in the back seat now.
LeBron didn't even bother shooting any 3's today. And this current setup is the best the Lakers have looked in 6 years.
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Lebron fans and media know they can't say Lebron was better than MJ at basketball, so they say he had the better career, which is lunacy and based on nothing.
No one thinks that 4 for 23 is the best ever or compares to 2 three-peats... No one thinks the worst record ever on the championship level is the goat career or compares to 6 for 6.. No one thinks that melting down and QUITTING on their team to team up with opponents is the best type of career (a colluder and short-cut seeker).. No one thinks that forming big 3's and then getting SMASHED by record amount should be part of a goat career... No one thinks the goat choke should be part of a goat career... No one thinks 1 for 6 with AD was impressive, or 3 first round losses with top 5 teammates, or 5 upset losses.. No one thinks a perennial trainwreck is the best career ever.
The reality is that Lebron had the most laughable and clown-car career by teaming up with everyone and needing so much help, but still perennially-losing every year via sweep, gentleman sweep, or record amount... He's a perennial trainwreck with the neediest teams ever, yet that's the goat career??.. , It's absurd.
Otoh, it's clear that MJ had the goat career and PERFECT career by never getting upset and never losing in the championship, while winning in the most organic fashion ever.. Specifically, MJ is the only guy that had to develop single-digit rookies into his 2nd and 3rd options to win titles.. Furthermore, winning 70 and the title is obviously goat, along with being the undisputed greatest at the most important category (scoring)... 2 three-peats is goat for the modern era (3-pointer basketball or post-merger), while his MVP/DPOY season is also goat.... His MVP quality is goat because his MVP's came with championships, scoring titles, and DPOY - this is the goat standard for MVP quality.
If anything Doncic is turning Reaves and Lebron into co-3rd options. By taking 30 fga's per game and regularly launching 15 3's, everyone is in the back seat now.
LeBron didn't even bother shooting any 3's today. And this current setup is the best the Lakers have looked in 6 years.
The numbers show that Reaves craters alongside Lebron and thrives with Luka, so you're wrong... It's only Lebron's presence that craters Reaves.
And you don't see the warning signs - 10 assists for Lebron tonight... So he's dominating the ball again - what a nightmare because we know this ends in a record smashing or gentlemen sweep.. This is the STANDARD.. Catastrophic loss is the standard.. Getting blown away with top 5 teammates and super-teams is the standard (and then the media gaslights by saying it's the goat career).
Btw, the solution to getting the Lakers to look good was LESS LEBRON... Essentially, taking MY advice itt was the solution for the Lakers (less Lebron).
I watched the game. You didn't. LeBron didn't dominate the ball at all. He was just extremely efficient whenever he touched it.
I watched the game. You didn't. LeBron didn't dominate the ball at all. He was just extremely efficient whenever he touched it.
Checkmate.
19/15/10 on 67% shooting.
MJ never had a 15/15/10 on better than 65% shooting in his career.
Just add to the list of things LeBron has done that MJ hasn't.
