GOAT NBA Discussion: Biggest fraud poster: fallguy. Super AIDS Containment thread
Can you please explain why less efficient scoring is better than more efficient scoring?
As if I'm a child that's never watched basketball before
It's because people shoot differently at different shot volumes (or different ppg).
For example, they don't shoot 50% at 20 FGA per game and then still shoot 50% at 30 attempts.. It's the same for ppg - players don't shoot the same at every ppg level.
However, a team might NEED a player to undertake a large ppg for the team to win, while the FG% can be as low as 45% in many cases - so the ability to get ppg is more important than FG%, since ppg is the determinant of whether someone can carry the required load, while the FG% is more flexible and can have good win rates as low as the mid-40's.
Ultimately, Jordan scored the most with sufficient efficiency, so he could carry the biggest load.
But again, you're ignoring the fact that MJ had goat efficiency because he has the best efficiency per possession (ortg) of anyone in the top 20 for possessons used (usage).. He's also basically 1st in usage since Embiid and Luka's usage will decline in time
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Quick summary of why Lebron is a fraud:
* True bigs like AD or Duncan fit like a glove with ball-handlers like Luka or Westbrook, so Lebron's horrible fits with other ball-handlers proves that he can't play like a true big.. He also can't run off screens or chase guys off-screens, so he can't play or defend off-guards... Since he can't play the big man or off-guard positions, he can only play PG and SF (he's really just a big point guard).
* Lebron's primary ballhandler skillset makes him a horrible assist target for his frontcourt size/position, thus reducing the assist capacity of his teams compared to teams that have normal assist targets in the frontcourt.
* As a high-scoring, primary ballhandler (ball-dominator), Lebron scores many unassisted buckets that leave teammates standing in spot-up roles with more assisted buckets.. These spot-up roles crater everyone's assists and produces low assist teams over time (prevents dynasty-ball).. Ultimately, Lebron's presence as a poor assist target that imposes spot-up roles upon everyone (low assist roles) is why he produces low assist teams.. This prevention of "dynasty-ball" is why he barely wins 1 chip with sure-fire dynasty rosters and perennial preseason favorites, while otherwise losing catastrophically every year (sweep, record loss, upset, or getting locked up).
* Lebron's skillset of imposing spot-up roles is the most underachieving brand in history, such as barely winning 50 games every year with the preseason favorite, thereby falling to perennial underdog.. He also has a lottery record against Finals teams/on the championship level.
* Lebron's skillset of imposing spot-up roles can't develop sufficient chemistry to win with "normal" rosters of 1 franchise player, thereby needing "super-teams" of 3 franchise players and a talent-based approach (all-star team strategy)... His talent-based approach means that he never learned the best brand of ball or elite chemistry, which makes him inferior to guys that did (MJ, Duncan, Curry, Kobe and others).
* Excessive ball-dominance can't beat top teams, so Lebron can't carry the scoring load vs top teams... Specifically, he never successfully carried the scoring load on the championship level, and never beat a top 5 SRS team with weak scoring and efficiency from a sidekick (never carried weak help over top teams).. Since Lebron can't carry the "star" category of scoring, he requires more stars, thus preventing GM's from getting the right "others"/defenders, aka elite roster construction... In addition to being incapable of carrying the scoring load, Lebron's skillset of imposing spot-up roles further hampers roster construction and development.
* Due to the aforementioned issues with Lebron's style of play (bad fits, bad chemistry, etc), he produces the weakest teams of any top 15 candidate.
* The all-star duo of Lebron/Zydrunas added a player that was better than 1993 Pippen to make the 06' Playoffs as a favored high seed.. Yet they only won 45 games by 2008 (Year 5) until Mo added 21 wins by providing spacing for LeDrive.. Jamison/Shaq were then added to a 66-win league favorite with top defenses, so the 2010 Cavs had more help on both sides of the ball than the 1st three-peat Bulls.
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PPG OVER EFFICIENCY:
2014 Playoffs
Efficiency vs Spurs (effective FG%) compared to margin of loss vs Spurs (difference in team ppg):
Heat........... 53.7 efg.... -14.0 ppg deficit..... 93.7.ppg
Blazers....... 45.3 efg.... -13.4 ppg deficit..... 95.4 ppg
OKC............ 48.4 efg...... -8.5 ppg deficit..... 98.2 ppg
Mavs .......... 50.0 efg...... -2.0 ppg deficit... 101.1 ppg
^^^ the Heat shot the best but scored the least and lost by the most.. So their cautious, efficiency-seeking was a losing strategy.
Instead, higher PPG (aggression) was correlated with winning more than efficiency, as shown above.
Essentially, team performance is driven more by sheer ppg than efficiency, which is intuitive.
Carry on
LeBron shot 13/14 from the field tonight for 30 points.
if only he had shot 13/28! then he would've played a fallguy approved exemplary basketball game.
^^^ If that's what was necessary to carry the load and win.Carrying the scoring load often requires bad efficiency because you're facing max defensive attention - Jordan won in these scenarios while Lebron didn't - Lebron couldn't carry the load against top teams and needed equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention - he literally can't defeat max defensive att
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Look MJ couldn’t do what LeBron is doing right now. That’s fact. He was awesome last night in a completely new way. What an amazing final act.
Some records that will never be broken:
1) 22 All Star Games.
2) Most points
3) Most playoff points
4) Most All NBA
5) Most All NBA firsts
6) Only player that will ever have 40k / 10k / 10k
7) Total points in the playoffs
8) Consecutive 10 point games
I'm sure there are more.
LeBron shot 13/14 from the field tonight for 30 points.
if only he had shot 13/28! then he would've played a fallguy approved exemplary basketball game.
13/28 would've been more impressive because it would've meant that he was 1st option over Luka and facing all the defensive attention.
But instead, Lebron was carried, so he faced no defensive attention, while also destroying Reaves' entire career
The Lakers would've won 60 games without Lebron this year, and Reaves would've been All-NBA.
So why are you praising someone that has destroyed the Lakers' season and STOPPED a title and dynasty?.. Why would you praise that?.. He's dead weight that people are wasting their time talking about... Instead of building a dynasty, people prefer to barely win 50 games and then claim success, and then pat Lebron on the back... Patting Lebron on the back as he holds the Lakers back is preferred over pursuing a dynasty.. lol
Look MJ couldn’t do what LeBron is doing right now. That’s fact. He was awesome last night in a completely new way. What an amazing final act.
The Lakers didn't play this season to have the best team they could have.
Instead, they trudged through extra losses and careers getting destroyed ((Reaves) just so they could find a few games to pat Lebron on the back for.
Finding a few games to pat Lebron on the back is more important than developing a dynasty with the top-scoring duo in the league (Luka/Reaves).
Ultimately, 40-year old Jordan was a positive winning player as 1st option while taking all the shots and facing all the defensive attention... Otoh, Lebron is only positive as a carried role player.. This makes Jordan superior... The Lakers get destroyed when Lebron tries to be the top guy ...
And this game was the worst thing for the Lakers because now they will make Lebron a bigger part of the offense, which will bring the team back down.
^^^ It's expected that carried role players will occasionally have games like this.
For example, I guarantee that Luc Longley's career high game had ridiculous efficiency...
Yup - I just looked it up - 24 points on 75% shooting... This is standard for role players that have a good game, and the occasional good game occurs because they slip under the radar and get a bunch of bunnies
Some records that will never be broken:
1) 22 All Star Games.
2) Most points
3) Most playoff points
4) Most All NBA
5) Most All NBA firsts
6) Only player that will ever have 40k / 10k / 10k
7) Total points in the playoffs
8) Consecutive 10 point games
I'm sure there are more.
^^^ if you think that's impressive compared to Jordan's records, then you just aren't very bright....
That's simply trash compared to Jordan's records.
Lebron's records represent longevity (not all are positive), while Jordan's represent the goat caliber of play (all are positive).
Indeed, longevity records are offset by the negative ones like #1 in turnovers, missed shots, missed FT's, Finals losses, and much more.
Ultimately, Lebron does everything at a lower level... For example,half of Lebron's MVP's lack titles, and all of them lack scoring titles or DPOY... He simply plays the game at a lower level and for lower STAKES, aka he plays for token longevity bullsh*t compared to Jordan playing for dynasties and goat teams.
You're claiming that Jordan couldn't average 21 ppg or score 30 points in a game?
That's obviously false.
Otoh, Lebron can't average 37 ppg or get 10 scoring titles, or win with "normal" rosters of 1 franchise player, or defeat max defensive attention (carry the scoring load vs top teams or throughout title runs),
Bam just scored 83 points and made 36 FT's, yet you're going to celebrate 30 points from Lebron?
And you claim that Jordan couldn't score 30 points in a game or average 21 in today's mickey mouse format like Lebron does?
What are you guys smoking?
Again, the Lakers didn't play this season to have the best team they could have.. Instead, they trudged through extra losses and careers getting destroyed (Reaves) just so they could find a few games to pat Lebron on the back for.
Finding a few games to pat Lebron on the back is more important than developing a dynasty with the top-scoring duo in the league (Luka/Reaves)..
Ultimately, Lebron plays the game for lower STAKES, aka he plays for token longevity bullsh*t compared to Jordan playing for dynasties, goat teams and goat domination (aka goat basketball).
So for instance LeBron James averaged shooting 50% on 22.2 FG attempts per game in 22. Are you saying it would have been better for him to chuck up another 2.8 shots per game at 5% shooting (which means he would have qualified for the 25+ FGs @ 45% group)?
Lebron had AD and Westbrook in 2022, so he wasn't required to take high volume.
Players only have high volume if they NEED to... Jordan always needed to because he had no scoring help, while Lebron frequently had enough scoring help to avoid high volume...
However, there are plenty series where Lebron should've sacrificed efficiency for more ppg to get the win... A great example is the 14' Finals - if Lebron averaged 13 more ppg in his attempt to 3-peat like Jordan did, he could've overcome the 13 ppg deficit to the Spurs.
History shows that win rates are still pretty good until the 1st option gets into the low 40's in FG%... That's when win rates fall off...
And 25 FGA is a good cut-off because that's when it's considered unusual volume.
But regardless, the only time Lebron had a Jordan-level burden was the 15' Playoffs, and he shot like dogsh*t in every round - his efficiency was bad in the face high volume and max defensive attention (carrying scoring load).
Infact, it's further proof of the fraud that Lebron got props for playing exactly like Iverson in the 15' Finals (bad efficiency "chucking" and horrific defense).. This shows how fans and media lower the bar for Lebron and have double standards, aka Lebron gets praised despite horrific efficiency & defense, while others get knocked for it.
Unfortunately, Lebron's 41 ppg likely still loses the 14' Finals because it's excessive ball-dominance, which can't beat top teams - i.e. teammates get reduced to spot-up roles and therefore can't produce enough... That's why Lebron never successfully carried the scoring load in the Finals or against top teams.. This includes never beating a top 5 SRS team with weak scoring and efficiency from a sidekick (never carried weak help over top teams).
Carrying the "star" category of scoring matters because it requires less stars, thus allowing GM's to get the right "others"/defenders, aka elite roster construction.. So Lebron's inability to carry the scoring load prevents elite roster construction compared to Jordan, Curry, Duncan and Kobe, while his skillset of imposing spot-up roles further hampers roster construction and development... Zero teammates developed from low producer to meaningful producer on his watch because he turns everyone into spot-up shooter.
13/28 would've been more impressive because it would've meant that he was 1st option over Luka and facing all the defensive attention.But instead, Lebron was carried, so he faced no defensive attention, while also destroying Reaves' entire career The Lakers would've won 60 games without Lebron this year, and Reaves would've been All-NBA.So why are you praising someone that has
Reeves missed 25 games. 5 more than a 41 yr old with the most mileage in league history. Reeves does play 1mpg more.
Reeves missed 25 games. 5 more than a 41 yr old with the most mileage in league history. Reeves does play 1mpg more.
Reaves averaged 29 PPG and 8 APG without lebron last year and would've made All-NBA but Lebron's presence cratered Reaves.
This year, another season of 29 ppg and 7 APG would've established Reaves as a top 10 player and the Lakers would be pursuing titles and a dynasty.
Unfortunately, instead of building a dynasty, lebron fans prefer to sift through bad games to find one they can praise Lebron for, while claiming success for barely winning 50 games... A good game from lebron is treated like a title... Praising Lebron as he holds the Lakers back is preferred over pursuing a dynasty.. It's the most pathetic thing I've seen from fans and media in my entire life... It's similar to people that back Trump and prefer to pat him on the back while the world burns.
The reality is that Lebron should've been coming off the bench all year instead of being a massive negative for most of the year, thereby causing a sure-fire dynasty roster to barely win 50 games.
13/14 is less good than 13/28. Incredible.
Fall guy, why must you post walls of texts for 8 posts in a row? 3-4 paragraphs in 1 or 2 posts should suffice your point. Its like you have amnesia and forget 2 minutes later that you literally stated the exact same thing in the post you just made.
I've actually agreed with a few of your points over the years but your writing makes you so insufferable that nobody will take you seriously
13/14 was all dunks and bunnies because everyone thinks Lebron is taking a "backseat" and only the 3rd option, so he wasn't defended.
Every decent role player in the league has a few games per year like this where no one guards them and they fly under the radar.. They don't get props for this because they're just role players having a 1-off..
Tbh, I remember playing in a pro-am league in Peoria, IL, where I was a role player amongst a bunch of D1 starters and overseas pros - I busted out for 35 points of bunnies and open jumpers while the stars face all the defensive attention.. It was against much weaker comp, but I literally did what lebron did last night (fly under the radar as a ROLE PLAYER)
If role players can put up 30 pts in the NBA then they probably should pay some defensive attention to them!
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People are pretending like Lebron has high IQ for deferring, when IQ has nothing to do with it.. He simply isn't that good anymore and therefore is forced into role player status just like every other role player.. They're role players because they aren't good enough to be stars .. It has nothing to do with IQ...
You guys are just delusional and will try to turn a negative into a positive, but there's nothing positive about being a carried role player, and that's what lebron is
Ultimately, Lebron is a dumbass with low hoops IQ, so that's why it took him nearly 2 years to figure it what I knew right away - he needed to defer BIG TIME and should've done so last year when he was a massive negative... Unfortunately, his low IQ has always caused problems, such as cratering many teammates and producing the most bad fits in history, or barely winning 1 chip with sure-fire dynasty rosters, and otherwise losing catastrophically every year.
Every role player has several games a year where they shoot lights out and/or do flukey-type things.
They don't have to go exactly 13/14 because maybe they went 11/15 but had 5 steals, or 5 blocks, or some other type of one-off.
Lebron is just a role player now - there's no need to praise everything he does - he was a massive negative for most of this year AND last year, which has stopped dynasty development.. Instead of being a towering favorite and 60+ win juggernaut, they'll barely win 50 games and be viewed as underdogs.. That falls squarely on Lebron for trying to still be *the man", thereby cratering Reaves and the team.
Remember - when all three are in the floor together, they were really bad and the numbers show that Lebron was the weak link.. The solution to this problem was LESS LEBRON.. let that sink in
