GOAT NBA Discussion: Biggest fraud poster: fallguy. Super AIDS Containment thread

Definitely LeBron, Curry, Joker, Shai (for his age), Luka (for his age), Giannis & Durant. Struggle for an eight though.

Cooper flag is better at the same age. The nipple man is there abouts. So maybe in a few year...

Del Harris didn't play Kobe - he wasn't given the green light like rookie Lebron..

But everyone knew that was BS, so when everything was on the line, Kobe was given the ball 4 times to save the season... The players essentially treated Kobe as if dell harris HAD played Kobe all year and he was the leader all year... Again, this shows that 18-year old Kobe was trusted more than prime Lebron in 2011 when Wade was the closer.

"What's-his-name" just dropped 83, thereby confirming that any Tom, Dick, and Harry can dominate today's game if given the green light... See, what your beginner knowledge doesn't understand is that ELITE ABILITY should be required to dominate - the rules and format shouldn't be so easy that ANY tom, dick, and Harry can drop 83 and dominate.. Unfortunately, that's what Adam Silver's beginner format has done to the game.

Specifically, the hands-off rules and ban on "impeding", plus the empty paint rule (3s) allows any bum to drop 83 or dominate if fed the ball...

Otoh, the tougher format of prior eras meant that ELITE ABILITY was required to dominate... Imagine Pippen dropping 83 - the REAL format of prior eras simply didn't allow that kind of foolishness.

It's common knowledge that when Lebron agrees to play like a simple role player that barely takes 10 shots - that's when the Lakers have great chemistry and there's no chemistry issue with Lebron destroying Luka or Reaves..

It's when Lebron tries to be a primary factor and score 20+ or take over 15 shots - that's when his cancerous style destroys everyone, such as Reaves, Hughes, IT,, Love, Jamison, Bosh, Ingram and many more.

It's wild that the Lakers were the 3 seed last year despite -54 from Lebron for the year... So imagine if Lebron was replaced with a break-even player - the Lakers would've been pressing OKC for league supremacy and the growth would lead to threatening 70 wins THIS year..

People don't seem to realize how "off to the races" Luka and Reeves would be if Lebron never returned... They're easily the best duo in the league when Lebron isn't around - the numbers confirm that quite solidly.. Luka was going to threaten 40 ppg before Lebron returned from "sciatica" and Reaves was a LOCK for All-NBA

You use dumb things like Rachel Nichols' opinion to make your case against Kobe, while I use real basketball to make the case for Kobe...

For example, if you can't defeat max defensive attention (carry scoring load throughout a title run), then you don't qualify for the Kobe caliber... Similarly, if you can't execute sufficient chemistry to win with "normal" rosters of 1 franchise player, then you don't qualify to be considered on Kobe's level.... .

If these things seem lofty and nearly impossible, it's because they ARE and only the very best have done it - i.e. only the best have defeated max defensive attention or executed sufficient chemistry to win with "normal" rosters of 1 franchise player.. These are pure basketball things that matter more than the group-think of a few journalism majors (media awards).

Other basketball-related measures include having great fits with teammates and elevating teammates...

Ultimately, a viable ASSISTED RATE (less ball-dominance) is required for great fits and to avoid imposing spot-up roles - the resulting greater chemistry allows winning with "normal" rosters of 1 franchise player, while also providing sufficient brand to beat top teams while carrying the scoring load (defeating max defensive attention).
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Some wonderful posts above not even talking about what was quoted.

Excellent work as always.

Sorry I forgot Bam. That's the 8th.

I almost feel bad for fallguy.

You were saying that all those guys were > Kobe, and my counter was that your argument is based on media awards.

In contrast to you plagiarising Rachel Nichols' opinion, my arguments for Kobe are based on pure basketball achievement:

1) defeating max defensive attention (carrying scoring load throughout title runs).. 2) goat scoring diversity to fit with everyone (great chemistry), thereby winning with "normal" rosters of 1 franchise player (winning with less).

So it's night and day... My arguments are superior.. Accordingly, Kobe is superior to Lebron and the other chumps, floppers and cheaters that you mentioned..

Again, SGA is assisted on barely 20% of his shots, so he's a simpleton ball-dominator and essentially a less athletic, one-dimensional version of Kobe that only dominates the ball - he doesn't deserve to be compared to a diverse, nuanced playe like Kobe, and NONE of today's players do.... Bam just proved that anyone can get stats in today's beginner format, so this era's stats are invalid and mean nothing.

That's 2 straight games where Lebron barely takes 10 shots and Luka/Reaves are able to play to full capacity (60-70 points every night)... So that's the key - it's clear that LeCancer can't infect the team with only 10-13 shots, so he must be restricted to this level and ideally even less.

The reality is that when Luka and Reaves are playing their best, they put every opponent on their heels defensively and wear opponents down, thus leaving them less capacity for offense.. The Lakers have lower defensive requirements when they're facing worn out opponents...

Otoh, Lebron's presence as anything more than a role player destroys the Lakers' offense.. The weak offensive attack means the opponent isn't being worn down defensively and is therefore fresh on offense, thereby maximizing the Lakers' defensive requirements.

fall guy your a crackhead.

SGA is about to win his 2nd straight MVP. That would be one more than Kobe.
If OKC stays healthy, imop only the Spurs have a shot at beating them, they will
most likely win a 2nd straight title. I'll give Denver and the Celtics if Tatum can somehow
return to a top 10 player a small chance vs OKC. But really only the freak wemby can
stop them. Since SGA returning to the lineup they have won 8 straight.

Did you see the 2 game winning step back 3's he made vs Denver wowzer.

Your just talking nonsense, SGA is ****ing amazing.

And this trash talking Lebron again crazy. He's 41 and basically the greatest 41 year old ever in
basketball. Yes he needs to defer to Luka and Reeves much more. But he can still have an impact.
Smart played a great game vs Denver also. They are a pretty darn good team. But they are probably
still no match for OKC. I'll give them a punchers chance of winning a title. Luka and Reeves would have
to play out of there minds for them to get out of the west.

how is Kareem not in the poll either.

Kareem has to be considered top 5 all time

LeBron was +6 for the game.

Luka was -4

Nash won 2 MVP's too... whooptiwhoop

Shai is a one-dimensional version of Kobe, which suffices in today's game because the league has been watered down to screen roll skillsets.. Kobe would only have to use one part of his game to dominate today, as Shai demonstrates.

Ultimately, your only argument against Kobe is media awards.. Otherwise, he conquered the toughest aspects of basketball, aka defeating max defensive attention (carrying scoring load), and producing sufficient chemistry to win with "normal" rosters of 1 franchise player (win with less).

^^^ Exactly, that's what is possible when LeCancer is minimized with barely 10 shots or thereabouts, aka a role player... Anything more than that and he'll crater into the negative and destroy the team... This isn't my opinion - it's the statistical and historical record.. accordingly, lecancer MUST be minimized or cut, otherwise the team is dead in the water

He played 40 minutes ffs

fallguy is too busy copy/pasta-ing all over the internet forums on his pathetic Jordan GOAT crusade to bother checking for information like that in Box Scores.

And he only scored 17 points in 40 minutes, thereby being massively-carried by Luka and Reaves, and an ordinary role player.

This is the optimal format that allows winning, whereas any uptick in lebron's offensive burden destroys the offense, as well as Luka and Reaves' capacity for top 5 player performances or historic duo status.. In other words, LeCancer costs the Lakers the title and possibly a Luka/Reaves dynasty as well

Let me know if what you replied had anything to do with my post about Kobe being missing from your list...

LeBron takes control of the ball too much

FG - He's terrible!

LeBron plays off the ball and team wins.

FG - He's terrible.

LeBron could cure cancer and he'd still be terrible.

And just for the record. Scoring 17 as a 41 year old is amazing.

Also, most points for a 41 year old...

Meanwhile MJ was broken at this stage. Admitted his body had failed him.

MJ about to be overtaken by Durant and drop to 6th all time in scoring.

History will forget MJ. Much like Mikan, MJ got to dominate in a water downed league in an era that wasn't very talented in an inefficient style of play. Easy game back then. Good role player in today's game maybe.

The Lakers lose when Lebron is on the floor, so any winning they've done this year is IN SPITE of lebron.

This destroys your whole point.. Lebron is simply a losing player at this point regardless of what he does... His only hope is that the Lakers' recent strategy of HIDING him and making him a carried role player will turn reverse his negative impact.

Ultimately, Lebron isn't capable of getting elite stats/domination off-ball the way he can on-ball.

That's why he's inferior to Kobe, MJ and Curry, who were elite on-ball AND off-ball.. Their superior scoring versatility fit with everyone and allowed higher levels of team offense.

^^^ fake basketball to get stats instead of win -Lebron is only capable of about 15 ppg as a winning player

A real coach would bring Lebron off the bench instead of the fake basketball.. The Lakers would be the 1 seed of Lebron's massive negative were replaced by a winning player.

Let that sink in - Lebron is costing the Lakers a dynasty and ruining Luka/Reaves legacy, yet you're like "b-b-but lebron scored 20"... This idea that a cancer like Lebron who never learned great brand of ball or chemistry compares to winning players and skillsets, aka Duncan, MJ, Curry, Kobe is one of the dumbest things I've seen in my whole life.. literally

Ultimately, the reason that MJ is the best is because he has the most impressive winning record/produced the best teams.. Lebron fans claim that he got lucky, but what about Kobe, Curry, Duncan and others??? Did they get lucky too??? 23 years has simply shown that Lebron is a massively losing player compared to many of his so-called peers