President Donald Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at
Seriously wtf is wrong with people when they talk about the law? Illegal simply means means contrary to law. Illegal behavior may be, and often is, a violation of criminal law. But it is wrong say that "illegal" behavior must be criminal. That isn't true "in a strict sense" or in any other sense. For example, it indisputably is illegal to sell insurance in the state of New York unless you are a licensed insurance broker. But doing so isn't a crime. It isn't a violation of the New York Criminal Code. It is a violation of civil law that is punishable by imposition of a civil fine.
cmon guys lets just use Democrat logic on the situation. Yeah a few folks got killed its tragic but the majority of ICE officers do their job in a professional manner without shooting anybody. Lets not trash thew whole group just because of a few shootings . Its such a small %
That's actually bootlicker few bad apples logic
I don’t see the analogy. If only a few illegal immigrants commit violent crimes, per capita they would be reducing violent crimes when added to the general population. But those individuals committing crimes should still be punished.
The problem with ICE is that not only are their crimes not punished, they are sanctioned and covered up.
Firing 10 (I heard 11, but I'll go with 10) shots into someone's back while they are restrained, pepper sprayed, disarmed, and facedown on the ground can never be defended.
Ever.
Even if you could somehow justify the first shot (nope), there is no possible explanation for the next 9.
There's a difference between defending and explaining. I agree with you on the former but I think there's a pretty simple explanation: under-trained people with guns in physically volatile situations. Seems pretty obvious some of them just go into full-blown panic mode and start blazing away.
There's a difference between defending and explaining. I agree with you on the former but I think there's a pretty simple explanation: under-trained people with guns in physically volatile situations. Seems pretty obvious some of them just go into full-blown panic mode and start blazing away.
And they have only themselves to blame for being in that situation. Nobody forced them to sign up for the gestapo, and nobody forced them to escalate that situation.
The rate of crime for immigrants is lower than the rate of crime for american citizens.
your own party's logic "the rate of getting shot by ice is lower then getting hit by lightning"
Your own partys logic 1 death is too much. so 1 person being killed by an ILLEGAL immigrant is too much because they shouldn't be here. we should all riot on the street and get more people killed
I don’t see the analogy. If only a few illegal immigrants commit violent crimes, per capita they would be reducing violent crimes when added to the general population. But those individuals committing crimes should still be punished.
The problem with ICE is that not only are their crimes not punished, they are sanctioned and covered up.
well we don't actually know that yet. I imagine most of the officers involved in the shootings have had their life ruined even the guys not pulling the triggers like the guy trying to open the door. Its just not public. Police take officer involved shootings very seriously
your own party's logic "the rate of getting shot by ice is lower then getting hit by lightning"
Your own partys logic 1 death is too much. so 1 person being killed by an ILLEGAL immigrant is too much because they shouldn't be here. we should all riot on the street and get more people killed
I don't have a party, dishpit. That's what I get for randomly reading one of your comments.
Hint: I'm way far left of the democratic party. You really need to learn what you don't know. The good news is it appears to be almost everything, so an easy general rule is just to stfu.
Also your post is really fing stupid and doesn't deserve an actual reply, so this is all you're getting, and I know better than to risk clicking on your posts in the future.
yes you do. you literally said you were happy to move out of calgary because they were too conservative for you. if canadain conservatives were too conservative for you (they are left of the democratic party ) then you are def far left to American standard also i mean ive been talking to you for weeks. but ya there's no far left american party
well we don't actually know that yet. I imagine most of the officers involved in the shootings have had their life ruined even the guys not pulling the triggers like the guy trying to open the door. Its just not public. Police take officer involved shootings very seriously
Well we’ll see what happens if we get a democratic administration. At this point I think it’s doubtful that the Trump administration will investigate any allegations.
Correct. You need actual evidence to substantiate any mind reading in a court of law, and you need no evidence to mind read in the court of public opinion.
There's a difference between defending and explaining. I agree with you on the former but I think there's a pretty simple explanation: under-trained people with guns in physically volatile situations. Seems pretty obvious some of them just go into full-blown panic mode and start blazing away.
Except Ochoa was hired by Customs and Border Patrol in 2018 and Gutierrez joined in 2014 and was with a special operations team that conducts high-risk operations (similar to SWAT) for CBP.
Also, the guy who killed Renee Good, Ross, did a military tour in Iraq, is a former SWAT officer, worked field operations for CBP for 8 years, and has been working for ICE for over 10 years.
well we don't actually know that yet. I imagine most of the officers involved in the shootings have had their life ruined even the guys not pulling the triggers like the guy trying to open the door. Its just not public. Police take officer involved shootings very seriously
Lol. Trump, Vance, Patel, Bondi, Bovine, and Noem have all concluded he did nothing wrong and has been give complete immunity (from prosecution). Who do you expect to bring charges in this administration?
The only way it happens is if pressure keeps being applied and also comes from red hat citizens. Then Trump pardons them on his way out.
well we don't actually know that yet. I imagine most of the officers involved in the shootings have had their life ruined even the guys not pulling the triggers like the guy trying to open the door. Its just not public. Police take officer involved shootings very seriously
Within hours of the incidents, officials, who should only (non-)comment that such regrettable events will be thoroughly investigated, stated that the killings were justified, and lied about the (actions of) victims, clearly contradicting footage we've all seen.
Why would we expect them to be punished properly by this system? A system that, at this time, lacks all healthy control mechanisms, evidenced by leaders quick to signal their political alliance and back policy rather than scrutinize incidents that sane conservatives and democrats alike regret. See: Jan 6th pardon (probably some overlap there).
For a lot of reasons, including limits on the power of the presidency, Trump probably won't be able to do a lot of things relating to voting that he says he wants to do. But I don't see how anyone can read what Trump wants to do and not see him as a dangerous authoritarian who would happily manipulate voting results to the maximum extent he could.
During an extended monologue about immigration on a podcast released on Monday by Dan Bongino, his former deputy F.B.I. director, Mr. Trump called for Republican officials to “take over” voting procedures in 15 states, though he did not name them.
“The Republicans should say, ‘We want to take over,’” he said. “We should take over the voting, the voting in at least many — 15 places. The Republicans ought to nationalize the voting.”
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The Justice Department, which has been newly politicized under Mr. Trump, is demanding that numerous states, including Minnesota, turn over their full voter rolls as the Trump administration tries to build a national voter file.
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On social media, Mr. Trump has pushed for even more drastic changes. In August, he wrote that he wanted to end the use of mail-in ballots and potentially the use of voting machines.
I think its fair to say what the politicians say and what happened is usually not the same. they were at least fired /suspended do you really think they sent them back on the street 2 hours later?. if so why are your whistles not turning into ak's. Their identity's are knownd and if not convicted they will have to live the rest of their life looking over their shoulder. Anyway trust me im on your side for transparency
I think its fair to say what the politicians say and what happened is usually not the same. they were at least fired /suspended do you really think they sent them back on the street. if so why are your whistles not turning into ak's. Their identity's are knownd and if not convicted they will have to live the rest of their life looking over their shoulder
"Hey, guise, politicians lie so who cares they called the slain terrorists. They are still employed but have been taken off the streets so who cares. They refused to name any of the agents who did the killings but the names go leaked out so who cares."
You're hilarious, bro.
For a lot of reasons, including limits on the power of the presidency, Trump probably won't be able to do a lot of things relating to voting that he says he wants to do. But I don't see how anyone can read what Trump wants to do and not see him as a dangerous authoritarian who would happily manipulate voting results to the maximum extent he could.
By the time the news gets to them, it will have been filtered by pundits and either distributed as propaganda about protecting freedom, or it will have been watered down unintentionally by people who do not take what it says seriously.
Very few Trump supporters listens to Trump or pays attentions to what his words lead to. The residents of MAGA on this forum rarely, if ever, quote Trump. Which is understandable, it would be fairly embarrassing for them to do. They quote influencers who run on a business model that goes bankrupt if Trumpism collapses, and thus rarely filter Trump's ramblings honestly. I suspect they represent the movement as a whole, and even those who are not present on social media probably get the same soup served by those who are.
For a president to suggest that a party should take control of voting is not really worthy of much debate. It is a totalitarian message delivered by a corrupt fool who has been surrounded by sycophants who will do little to correct his course. The party in question has also pretty much sworn fealty at this point, and will do little to stop him.
In this case it also comes from a president who tried to fix election results once already.
Right, because all police officers who participate in bad shootings end up getting killed by vigilantes. Oh wait. That doesn't actually happen.
Because that's one of the things that separates America from third world authoritarian countries that have masked government officials stomping on its citizens.
In America, law enforcement are not anonymous. They have badges and names and are required to give their name and number when asked. Something about keeping them accountable to the law.
INB4 some derpy comparison to undercover officers working undercover and that's why ICE are masked. ICE is not working undercover. They are overtly working as law enforcement.
I mean this is definitely new territory. Your convinced the government is protecting them. True or not that means millions of radicals also think that. which means bang bang boom boom. a police shooting is a police shooting, this is closer to a political shooting. those guys don't tend to do so well
Because that's one of the things that separates America from third world authoritarian countries that have masked government officials stomping on its citizens. In America, law enforcement are not anonymous. They have badges and names and are required to give their name and number when asked. Something about keeping them accountable to the law.INB4 some derpy comparison to unde
Are not DEA Agents similar were they are masked as well ? Or is that just the movies
We know why they are masked as Libs will Dox them . Though there is no reason they can not have a badge number displayed
Are not DEA Agents similar were they are masked as well ? Or is that just the movies
We know why they are masked as Libs will Dox them . Though there is no reason they can not have a badge number displayed
LOL at accusations of doxxing. These guys aren't victims of a sex crime. They aren't working undercover. Members of law enforcement have never had an expectation of anonymity if they engage in a bad shooting. Were you outraged when Derek Chauvin's name was published?
Historically, DEA agents in the United States have not worn masks. As an aside, I would note that you are using your fingers to operate a device that would have told you the answer to that question.
LOL at accusations of doxxing. These guys aren't victims of a sex crime. They aren't working undercover. Members of law enforcement have never had an expectation of anonymity if they engage in a bad shooting. Were you outraged when Derek Chauvin's name was published?
Or "Doxxed Derek" as he came to be known...
LOL at accusations of doxxing. These guys aren't victims of a sex crime. They aren't working undercover. Members of law enforcement have never had an expectation of anonymity if they engage in a bad shooting. Were you outraged when Derek Chauvin's name was published?
I think they should have an element of privacy. I know cops here only have a badge # and not required to give their name.
Yes I think its Ok to release the names of the officers accused of murdering the two individuals . Its not like they withheld the name of the officer that murdered Ashli Babbitt . Oh wait my fingers did the typing and they did for 7-8 months
