[extracted] New(?) 9-11 stuff

Sigh, I know I said I will be away for a while but one last post:

The fact that you guys are sooo sure that Deuces isn't Victor but Victor explaining Deuces' thoughts is ****ing hilarious.

Wake up sheeple!

Aaaand I'm gone again.

Two leftist posters with diametrically opposed writing styles, grasp of spelling and grammar, vocabulary, and linguistic footprint have similar views on some stuff. Must be the same person. You cracked the code, bro.

Why stop there? Maybe all leftists are actually the same person. Maybe there is only one (very busy) leftist in the whole wide world.

Is Bob an alt account of that Karl OG Marx guy?

Well, at least someone got it.

Don't be silly. Obviously Bob is d2_e4's alt.

You just don't realize how greedy people can be. If you were told homelessness could be ended for 25 billion and you had 700 billion, would you not try to end homelessness with your money. Do you think Elon will do that? Can you really even get in his head, or any number of the people who could end homelessness and still be billionaires?

Concentrated capital is your real enemy, not AQ. It was your real enemy, the one who has the skillset of all skills, and the bribery machine working, and whose hatred for you and me has no limits.

Say you were tasked with bringing down the 3 towers in one day and making it look like a terrorist attack. If you had 5 years, a practically infinite budget, and access to any technical or human resource available but could use at most 2 airplanes, would you opt to find a way to rig the buildings to come down or would you try to knock down 3 towers with 2 planes? Or I will make it easier and say you had to bring down only the twins. Rig them for demolition or try to ram with actual amateur terrorist pilots? I just don't think most people have tried to think through what that entails.

You can retort that the terrorists got lucky that the three buildings came down. But then you are saying they brought down 3 massive skyscrapers with 2 planes by accident or inadvertently. This couldn't even be done in the simulations in which the NIST designers took extreme liberty with the parameters. It was supposedly a lucky accident that some rejects who had never flown commercial aircraft before, and in a world where no steel framed building had ever collapsed due to fire, created the most iconic terrorist spectacle imaginable which is seared into everyone's mind alive at the time. That events that impossibly rare just don't happen is what undergirds our entire understanding of probability. Yeah, I'm saying you pretty much have to be living in another universe to believe anything that improbable could be one shot by some losers going on bullshit about virgins in heaven. One of your world views has to fall. It's either the world view that our government is full of helpful people who protect us which you have to give up OR you have to abandon all conventional notions of probability (and maybe physics too).

Only people with a huge amount of money and extremely far reaching access could make that spectacle worth a few trillion dollars. What really happens when you try to do 9/11 is your patsies don't get visas. They never get over here in the first place. A first hand whistle blower, someone who tried to stop the alleged hijackers from coming into the country, has written a book on it. But you weren't interested in it. And you will keep on thinking there were no whistle blowers because that's what feels soothing to you.

To what authority are you going to take your evidence which contradicts the justification for killing millions of people, transferring trillions of dollars, turning our society into a surveillance state, and getting American soldiers maimed and killed? Even if they believed you, they would know damn well that they would be getting promptly fired if they escalated it up the chain. So you'd have to go to a politician but, even if they were someone willing to live in the political margins, at some point they would have to bring it to other lawmakers and they are just going to dismiss it no matter what it is.

Some lies are so big and ramify into such an expansive array of institutions that they have to be maintained at all costs. When elites mobilize the entire society around a lie, the truth becomes a threat to institutional stability.

Not to mention, people have come forward. It's just you don't know much about this topic and haven't heard of them.

Generally speaking, people don't raise their hand and tell on themselves after being responsible for a crime, let alone the crime of the century type crime. The term whistleblower generally refers to people who observe actions in which they weren't directly involved or, if they were, they were being coerced. There have been whistle blowers to come forward, for example a man who was fired and harassed for years because he (legitimately) denied visa for the hijackers when they were going from Saudi Arabia to the U.S.

Maybe one day the people who planned 9/11 and other false flags will become minor celebrities and have YouTube channels like these ex mobsters do now, telling a few insider stories but not naming names. I mean, it's all gangsterism and people are enthralled with gangsters. Why couldn't we have Oliver North commentating videos about how accurate some movies about the deep state are just like former mafiosos do for mob movies?

I've never written anything like that. I have said that I wouldn't put it past Israel to nuke. But it wouldn't be to start WWIII. I don't think Israel wants that. They would do it so we would blame Iran. Israel wants to tear down every civilization anywhere near it because it thinks that is the only way to both remain safe and dominant. This is a pretty radical opinion on my part. I don't see the need to twist it anything else. I also think if they were going down, if they were losing their state, they would try to nuke someone just out of spite, including us if they could.

Just out of curiosity, do you think our intelligence services trust Israel?

I have a list? That is news to me. Read it back to me. Do I think the 100 million given to Trump by the Adelson widow bribed him into foreign policy favorable to her Zionist cause? Yeah, I do.

Do I think a Zionist bought CBS news and TikTok to suppress criticism of Israel and advance Israeli foreign policy by controlling the thoughts of Americans? Yes, I do. But these are not conspiracy theories in any sense, neither conspiracy nor theory. Maybe you have an example you can share?

I'm heavy on both, actually.

Do I let my conspiracy theories dictate my politics? I have to consider that in light of my discovery, which I think many other people will realize one day and which, sadly, will not be attributed to me, that most history worth discussing is the history of unfolding conspiracies. It's all conspiracy and conspiracy theory. It's all groups of people working together in secret and plotting super anti-social actions. When wars are declared it is usually by pointing a conspiratorial finger at some group or country: Venezuela is murdering Americans by shipping fentanyl into the country. That one is obviously false but it's still a conspiracy theory. The North thought their was a "slave power" secretly bribing and controlling from the shadows to one day take over and steal wealth from the North.

No I don't think my conspiracy theorizing drives my politics, which is the politics of class politics. I think elites did it. That is just Marxism/socialism 101. Conspiracy nuts think they know who did it, and it's always these iconic figures like Cheney and they always had bizarre and bold motivations like heaps of gold under WTC7.

If I let my conspiracy theorizing dictate my politics I would be like Bari Weiss, propagandizing for the wealthy and making a fortune. You think I couldn't go into any Rightwing media outlet and increase their share practically overnight? I mean, if you just see a conspiracy and that alone dictates your politics then you just get on the winning side.

You think I think Israel did 9/11. I've consistently said there is no way Israel did this "Northwoods style", like it originated in their intelligence sandbox. That would be way too risky. If they were ever discovered it would be the end of the state of Israel. Israel isn't into taking those kind of risks when it has all kinds of winning scenarios it can achieve. I could see it being done by some kind of coalition. Maybe some Saudi Royals, who have the money, working with ex Mossad and a few well placed insiders? I believe whoever did it also did the anthrax attacks, and that anthrax came from a U.S. military lab.

Too bad the 9/11 Commission Report decided it didn't matter who financed the attacks. With the physical evidence destroyed or hauled away, tracing the money would've probably been the best way to find out who did it. When the commission found out one of those who placed huge bets against the airlines, they reported that the buyer had no foreknowledge because they weren't AQ. This is the level of thinking you accept from authority and yet you want to criticize me.

its literally their doctrine.

an extremist death cult. and yet they try to tell us that the Muslims are the crazies.

All nuclear powers have those weapons as a deterrence against attacks or invasion and for the deterrence to work other nations have to believe the weapons would likely be used.

This is where Jeremy Corbyn went wrong - when a leader of a nuclear power is asked if they'd use those weapons if attacked, they have to say yes regardless of whether they would or not. Saying no just begs the question of why you have them at all and makes you look stupid.

Jfc, dude is composing the sequel to War and Peace ITT. Anyone read that verbal diarrhea and care to summarise it?

I skimmed the posts. He still doesn't make any arguments with positive claims. Just tries to cast doubt everywhere he can. It would be tiresome if it was new, but we're at two decades of this ****.

Apparently, the President lying about fentanyl coming from Venezuela and his chodes repeating the lie qualifies as a conspiracy theory.

Now that you got that of your system, suppose you lay it out clearly for us like I asked.

Good lord. You are so accustomed to taking in small, potent pieces of state propaganda that you can no longer read even 2 paragraphs. You only understand condensed, emotionally driven language. I'm sorry but that's not the mode of my communication. I deal in facts, logic, and validity. It takes a few words to establish those. I guess that's another advantage for the deep state thought controllers - what they offer is so much easier to digest.

If you guys could read I would retrieve and post some of the takes from our intelligence agencies on the topic of U.S. trust of Israel. You'd be surprised at the contrast between all the glowing praise of Israel and reinforcement of our undying friendship with them through everything, even through genocide, and what our spooks really think about them. They are always spying on us and trying to manipulate us. So much of their antics are revealed and it's like you types just ignore it. Netanyahoo himself literally bugs U.S. lawmakers when they come to Israel. I could go down a long list of them spying on us and protecting their minions who steal state secrets from us but I know nothing is going to penetrate these hard noggins fortified with concentrated pro Israel propaganda.

The people who deny us healthcare and safety and the rights we've struggled to attain over centuries are the enemy who did 9/11. Honestly I don't see the point in trading assertions. I've tried to substantiate my positions as succinctly as possible. I guess what you are trying to say is you are immune to reasoning. Point taken. I can't compete with the state when it comes to emotionally driven propaganda, and if you want to only consume that sort of content you are in luck because pretty soon that is all you are going to get. You will be as happy as a pig in slop. Check out the new ZBS, formerly CBS, if you are ready to step up from powder to a more direct intake of your programming.

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Good one, I lolled.

Can you be maybe a bit more specific here?

I honestly don't know what trolling means in this regard. I obviously disagree with you about how bld 7 collapsed and that's pretty much the depth of that. I don't secretly believe you are correct and are just arguing for no reason.

I have been respectful, but I do think you say things that can cause me to question your intent in a lot of areas. like this...

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Sometimes it feels like your 9/11 posts are functioning like Nut Nut’s environmental threads, using a specific topic as a way to argue in favor of other ideological claims rather than addressing the issue at hand. I’d rather focus on that larger discussion than argue over a single building that, in my view, had essentially no chance of collapsing the way you suggest — because that isn’t really what this is about.

I mean, we have the forum that we both prefer. I’d rather argue the larger points directly than sift through pages where you continuously imply it but get us stuck arguing about bld 7.

I can't possibly fathom how anyone can read Deuces' posts ITT and not instantly recognise that he is a disingenuous, lying, intellectually dishonest little scumbag. No idea why you'd ever give him the benefit of the doubt in this spot.

What makes you think he's "little?"