2/5: Does anyone think it’s okay to fold AQo here?
I brought $1k with me to the casino and sat down with $500 at a 2/5 (initially wanted to play 1/2 but saw this whale her
He’s a “tightie”, so he’s probably not 3! with anything below JJ/AKo but he certainly has a lot of hands behind AQo to go along with his medium pairs.
LMAO “if the whale’s sticky”; ldo he’s sticky—that’s one of the primary characteristics of a whale!
Playing on short scared money and getting ready to leave it’s an autojam, especially with a limper and the whale on tilt. Or fold/leave and take some time off. You’re in a terrible frame of mind I’m sadly familiar with and are literally giving your money away.
But you can’t 3! because you’ll likely face either a jam from the whale or multiple callers oop followed by a dry flop.
3b small. like $80. theres $65 in the pot if both call there will be $300ish after rake. you can either cb 75 and fold or x/jam, x/c jam turn etc etc. this is never a fold lol.
There are no "better spots" its not a tournament where there is a finite time limit. the game is essentially forever. If you want to win long term you have to take every bb worth of ev you can every single time. Your playing not to lose and unfortunately thats a recipe for emotional rollercoaster. disassociate yourself from the money is the best advice i can give.
The framing of better spots does make sense for cash games. You can view poker cash as a sequence of opportunities, each with a certain EV and a certain variance. I think it's reasonable to not take all +EV opportunities (in fact, I definitely don't take all +EV opportunities myself). I think this one is too high EV to pass as I said, but I don't think saying there's better spots is an incoherent sentence.
The framing of better spots does make sense for cash games. You can view poker cash as a sequence of opportunities, each with a certain EV and a certain variance. I think it's reasonable to not take all +EV opportunities (in fact, I definitely don't take all +EV opportunities myself). I think this one is too high EV to pass as I said, but I don't think saying there's better spo
This is correct. Cash games aren’t infinite repetitions of hands because our bankroll is finite, and more to the point in this hand, our clip is finite and we have half of it on the table right now.
People who are saying “forget about it, just 3bet” are missing this point. The arguments in this thread are silly on both sides as far as I’m concerned. The biggest problem with this spot is that if we lose a significant amount of money right now there is a risk we will have to leave early because we can’t reload later. This IS a problem, but it became a problem the instant we put $500 on the table, not because of the hand we’re in now. We should have planned ahead for this. This is where the machismo of “always buy in full stacked” doesn’t always work best.
the thing i dont get is why you bought in for 500 and not 200 lol. if whale is 6xing too loose its conceivable short stacking much more profitable (particularly if you're folding top 6% hands to a single open from him while playing 100bb!)
Well, say you have a bankroll of 10000, you bought in for 500, and currently have 1200 in front of you. Now some whale randomly all-ins your openraise with J♠J♥. Based on your range assessment you think you have 50% equity if you call, so since you already have money in the pot, the call is +EV.
Do you make the call? I don't. I don't want to risk 12% of my bankroll on a coinflip, and then there's the fact that if I lose I'll go home and lose out on future +EV spots.
Well, say you have a bankroll of 10000, you bought in for 500, and currently have 1200 in front of you. Now some whale randomly all-ins your openraise with J♠J♥. Based on your range assessment you think you have 50% equity if you call, so since you already have money in the pot, the call is +EV.Do you make the call? I don't. I don't want to risk 12% of my bankroll on a coinflip,
I either take this spot or I rack up and leave immediately if I anticipate I wouldn’t want to.
What CallMeVernon wrote, but that's such a rare instance... I'm going to assume that for the most part, you go with +EV opportunities 😉
I’ve been playing super snug so far so should probably 3b but the whale is on tilt and will probably not fold to a 3b and if I 3b pre/whiff flop I’ll probably burn a cbet too.
The whale has a weaker range and calling a 3-bet and missing the flop will suck for him too, and that will happen a lot.
What range are you not folding here?
Sadly this thread reminds me of worse hands I’ve played because I was scared money. Good thing they aren’t recent memories but they are bad enough I can’t forget them lol.
3bet all day. Folding is LOL. Calling seems bad because I want to collect the free $30 from the tightie, additionally he probably has decent equity against our hand + position against us. Push him out and get HU with the whale.
I brought $1k with me to the casino and sat down with $500 at a 2/5 (initially wanted to play 1/2 but saw this whale here).1 limp, whale in CO raises to $30, BTN tightie calls, I look down at AQo in BB ($500 eff).I’ve been playing super snug so far so should probably 3b but the whale is on tilt and will probably not fold to a 3b and if I 3b pre/whiff flop I’ll probably burn a c
Totally player dependent imo. No one on here can tell you what to do as you'll have to listen to your heart not your brain. Is whale ever folding? How tight is BTN? Are we raising for value or do we want them to fold? Sometimes a raise here is for value against one player while its a bluff vs the other. Is BTN aware of his image? Maybe he can fold 99 or even TT?
At my game its mostly a fold.
I think I like the jam or limp idea. I fold A-Qoff all the time.
