2/5: Does anyone think it’s okay to fold AQo here?

Pick up and go to 1/2. You’re playing scared money.

lol

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I think you can call preflop. Or 3b. This is not a fold if you like winning money.

Agree that you are playing scared money here.

In the future, if you are in this conundrum, buy in short. If you only had $250 (give or take) in front of you, you'd likely just jam here and then reload if you lose, right?

For the record, even when I was playing almost all 1/2 I never brought only $1k with me. Even an extra few hundred probably would have given you the mental load off to play better here.

My honest, not-trying-to-be-snarky advice is you gotta learn how to play 3bps against wide ranges with a hand worse than a pair. Which I honestly think is something 90%+ of people here need to learn, hence the weekly "AK whiffed, what now" threads.

Sometimes you bluff off your stack, sometimes you call off your stack, sometimes you stab and go for cheap showdowns, sometimes you give up and hold out for a time when they fold pre or you hit or they let you realize your equity for free, etcetcetc...

Yes, it's a clear 3! In this exact situation.

But, it's sort of a semi-bluff/get heads up withthe whale play.

especially if the whale is sticky and will test you, I wouldn't fault you too much for just calling and hoping to hit.

What is the reason for not calling?

Ridiculous scared money post. Limp with the intention to call or 3! is OK, but raising initially is more standard. AQ is pretty much never a limp and fold to one bet. If you limped and it was raised and 3!, then it might be a fold. If you are going to limp, you shouldn't be limp/folding much of anything to this action.

125-150/f, pf. Probably x-c or just sticking it in on any flop not too obscene (K, monotone not of either H suit, and whale eager to pile: you get the idea.)

But yes, work on the BR issues. AQo is doing likely really, really well vs the whale and BU nit will let you know if you're crushed.

If not for the button being a "tightie" this is horrible. As is depending upon how tight they actually are it varies from bad to proper risk avoidance if they are calling with a range that is better than your hand. Yes you can have issues but you said you sat here because of the whale and now do not want to play against him because he will behave as a whale?

If you’re scared to miss the flop just go all in pre l, it’s better than folding.

very relatable, have done similar things. But if I played the hand now, I'd 3bet it.

I guess two comments

1. The issue here is that this is not even a marginal +EV spot. If it were an earlier position raise, it would be more reasonable to argue that you don't want to 3bet. But here you're so far ahead of the range that it's just too +EV to pass up. You can pass on marginal spots in the name of variance control, but not this one.

2. Yes you can call. Calling this isn't a losing play, it's just worse than 3betting. But playing AQo worst position against two much weaker ranges is +EV. If you don't want to raise, flatting is okay.

Hey OP, I made the same error folding AQ preflop oop. Check out the criticism: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/170/l...

You are assuming that when the "tightie" calls he has a much weaker range. I agree a normal player would but depending upon the criteria OP uses to define V as a "tightie" I do not agree this players range is necessarily weaker.

i think jamming is +ev lol

Yeah, it is actually close between that, limp/call, and 120 or so / fold, once you limp.

Totally absurd post though.

Given it's a whale I'd go at least $150. Jamming is definitely better than folding.

he didnt limp, he's in the bb

my point was if you can shove here profitably i wouldn't fold pre

i also think calling pre is +ev too

am actually fairly certain folding is the worst option of anything we could do

OK, then close between call, 3!/fold, and shove.

im not sure its a 3b / fold given what the size of the squeeze is going to be

i think 150 and then its likely fairly close given pot odds / player profile. really the only range you'd convince me is a clear fold against is if ep limp jams

I mean he only called; even a very tight player has worse than AQ if he only calls from the BN. Theoretically there could be people with a range that's ahead of AQ, but I'd feel comfortable even against the tightest player in my game.

I would have to be drawing to the nuts (AQs not AQo) and the effective stack would have to be larger to even consider calling here and playing Bingo. Calling here likely brings along the limper (pot ~90, call is 25). Then we see a 4 way flop OOP to everyone. In this configuration I can see the BUT having some calls vs whale ISO with KK, QQ(discounted). Unless this is a no foldem holdem table, this is a 3!.

Fair, though I was more concerned about a whale fold/Button jam. Given everyone seems to be worried about keeping the whale in, I don't think the BU is as capped here as simply calling would ordinarily indicate. Albeit a much smaller 3! from BU than normal, say to 75-80, would probably keep the whale around, while still getting rid of the blinds and maybe the limper too.

wym? if button has a good hand he is going to 3b the whale lol