GOAT NBA Discussion: Biggest fraud poster: fallguy. Super AIDS Containment thread

Congrats on not saying something nice.

You think for the guy you think is about the tenth best all time, you'd be able to say something.

I mean even the biggest LeBron haters will say he's one of the best floor raisers of all time.

Lebron is the best ever at charging at the basket

aka "downhill"

whatever you want to call it

As a live-dribbler, he has the goat off-arm/command with the ball (dribbling form)

He needs great form to be dribbling at such a big size.

Otoh, he's basic to beginner in other categories, such as being unable to run and score off screens, or being a self-admitted beginner at pulling up off a hard dribble going right (basic stuff).. No turnaround jumper plus beginner head faking (trash fundamental and feetwork)

Lebron doesn't play 5 positions and has been the primary ballhandler for every team he's ever been on... As a high-scoring primary ball-handler (ball-dominator), Lebron cannot run the best brand of ball - elite ball movement, aka Spurs, Warriors, Nuggets (all the teams that ragdoll him).. This inability to run the best brand of ball puts lower ceilings on his teams, such as a lottery record against Finals teams.

^^^ One of the best, but overrated in this area..

He had a one-time run in 07' against trash comp, and it was when everyone was winning the East with 1-star teams (Iverson, Dwight, Kidd twice)... The Spurs confirmed that a 22 on 35% player won the East (and 6 TO's per game).

He also "floor-raised" the Cavs to 45 wins by Year 5 (2008), until he received the all-star spacing that his driving game needed in 09'.

People also forget that Lebron was lottery in 05' with the East all-star center on his team, and then acquired a player that was better than 1990 Pippen to make the 06' Playoffs (and great coaching).. So Lebron never had bad rosters or low seeds for his entire time in Cleveland.. His first low seed was 2021 (1st Round loss).

Lebron was also lottery in 2019 despite a great cast of Caruso, Ingram, Zubacs, Kuzma, Hart, KCP, Rondo and more

Ultimately, it's statistical fact that primary ballhandlers score mostly unassisted by teammates.. This means that high-scoring primary ball-handlers like Lebron have a high volume of unassisted buckets that leave teammates standing in spot-up roles more than normal (more assisted buckets).. Essentially, Lebron's ball-dominant skillset increases everyone's assisted buckets/spot-up role, which stalls young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (can't win organically).

tell us more about the great Kyle Kuzma, that the Bucks can't even giveaway for free...

Yeah Lebron clearly caused Reeves to be injured for 2 weeks.

Jordan never had an age 40 season. He had already retired 3 times and was having his 8th non playing year.

What if the good 3 point efficiency of LeBron's teams was a result of his style of play, and Jordan's teams sucked at shooting 3's as a result of the way Jordan played.

Makes a lot of sense actually.

Lebron received a bunch of renowned 3-point shooters like Korver, Kyrie, Mike Miller, Ray Allen, JR Smith, Danny Green, Battier, KCP and MANY more

MJ never had a small fraction of this shooting .. He didn't need it though because his game didn't depend on driving like Lebron.. MJ could just shoot over packed paints

Btw, the Warriors' dynasty represents the best 3-point shooting of the era and they move the ball - they had arguably the goat ball movement.abd also high assist teams...

History shows that Duncan and Curry's teammates went off via a ball movement style, while Lebron's style usually results in under-performing teammates and requests for more help.. The triangle is more like the Spurs/Warriors and their offenses are hybrids of the triangle

Lebron has destroyed this team.

He destroyed Austin Reaves, who was really a great story.. But now Reaves is off rhythm physically and mentally with LeFossil commanding touches.

LeFossil is showing how stats in today's hands off, open paint, beginner format mean nothing.. I honestly don't respect even Jokic's stats as much as say, Shaq, Malone, Hakeem, etc

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Enjoy the more hectic, competitive, and random nature of real basketball without open paints:

In a few years maybe we'll all agree that Jokic is the GOAT and then we can argue over who is number 2.

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Probably nothing to do with having the two greatest shooters of all time.

If he played every game against Superstar Anthony Edwards it’d be a done deal.

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Eerie precedent for LeBron, ten games in?

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The mind and body are connected - that's all I'll say about the Luka and Reaves ' injuries.

Ultimately, we know is that everything was fine until Lebron returned.

Now the season is going to ****.

Remember just a few weeks ago, the Lakers were riding high with the best 1-2 punch in the game - Reaves was easily All-NBA and even Rui/Ayton were killing it.

But then Lebron returned....

This killed Reaves... The defense also cratered because teammates are more reluctant to give a full effort when there's 1 old guy that CAN'T and might screw it up anyway... No one wants to play hard for 20 seconds only to watch Lebron blow his assignment.

Btw, back when the Luka/Reaves attack was in full effect - those Lakers had a potent offense that wore down opponents... Facing worn-out opponents lowers the team's defensive requirements, so that's why defense wasn't AS big an issue back then like it is now with LeOld back

I mean he's probably already ahead of MJ now. It's just if he can catch LeBron.

jfc. LeBron is the reason for the injuries now. smh.

Probably the reason my grandad died of cancer as well?

40-yr MJ still played defense:

^^^ lebron is a losing player at 40, while MJ was a winning player at 40

Well at least we can agree then that George Gervins career was ruined by Jordan.

We also can agree that Jordan and Kobe sucked unless they had Phil Jackson, the mind and body master.

And since the mind and body are all connected like this, we can now give LeBron credit for the 'Allen Miracle' which Allen only hit because of LeBron's perfectly missed shot that went to Bosh on the rebound, because it's all connected.

We can also then agree that Jordan killed his own father.

The list goes on and on.

Oh and don't forget to blame Lebron for the Luka injury, and also for Luka missing time because his wife was having a baby. Perhaps if the baby flops out half black I'll give you that one.

I'm sorry to hear your grandad died of cancer.

You admitted that Lebron shouldn't play more than 20 min, and you see the stats that show how HORRIFICALLY BAD the Lakers are when he's on the floor.

Accordingly, ,we can blame his 30+ minutes and arrempt to takeover the 2nd or 3rd option slot for the collapse of Reaves/Ayton/Rui.

Furthermore, his nonchalant attitude permeates the team and has ruined the locker room and JJ's viability.. Ultimately, it's over Lebron fans - the Lebron thing is dead like Jake Paul's boxing career

The injuries are irrelevant - Reaves simply craters alongside Lebron, while the stats show that the Lakers are a horrifically bad team when Lebron is on the court. For these reasons, the Lakers can't wait to get rid of him .. And how much was your grandad into the Lakers?