Nicholas J. Fuentes, Candace Owens, and other Right Wing Grifters

At this point seems we should just treat this as the antisemitic, woke right repository thread

On that note, in his latest video cast Tucker argues we should support the Maduro regime (who the entire western world recognizes as illegitimate) on the grounds they oppose abortion and same sex marriage and are anti “globo ****” as he phrases it.

Even if you don’t agree with Trumps heavy handidness in response to Maduro, this is an “interesting” angle to tackle it from.

hmmph

Elimination vs containment.

I talked about this previously with regard to racism.

It’s not wrong to desire that there be zero racism (or any other ism), but we have to accept where we are in the story.

We have to allow a snake or two to be in the garden. This is the argument for containment rather than elimination.

Like the “anti racists”, Jewish activists had chosen a strategy of hyper vigilance and hyper sensitivity to Jewish criticism. Now, antisemitism is rising fast, and calling someone an antisemite is becoming as meaningless as calling someone a racist.

It’s time to recognize the role the eliminationist activists have in perpetuating that which they claim to oppose.

Containment is the best reality can offer at this time.

If you want paradise and elimination of suffering, as I do, then you will need to find another way other than the socio-political.

*At this point, if you call someone a racist or antisemite, you are signaling that you are unable to adapt to the changing reality of affective persuasion.

Yes. Twitter picked up on that and is trolling Tucker for it. His rationalization for supporting Maduro is flat out not even true. I am going to go out on a limb that Tucker isn't going to correct himself. He will just move on to the next claim of dubious truthfulness.

Why do we have to allow snakes?

I thought people were antisemitic because of the Palestine and Kanye stuff?

Because reality is less like the garden you’re defending and more like a snake that you can’t rid yourself of, no matter how much you try to stomp it or cast it out.

Become a snake handler and you will become better positioned to align yourself with reality.

Step one is to break your <> rule.

Well how about a US congressman Randy fine saying he would understand if Americans are afraid of Islam. Do you know any American Congress person Who has said we should be afraid of Judaism or they would understand if people are afraid of Judaism. Fine is perhaps the most powerful example we can come up with even more so than someone like influencers like Bill Maher, Ben Shapiro or Mark Levin, or Fuentes…who apparently we might disagree on what we think of their views …

btw I have said I am a fan of Bill Maher. It Should also means something to you. It probably does maybe not. But your response doesn’t cover that and I’m not asking you to respond to every point I make. Btw Levin has said so many things about Muslims and Islam. He has criticized politicians for what he says is being too nice to Islam or being hypocritical toward Muslims while somehow being anti-Semitic.. there is so much to talk about there that it will just be a waste of time to list all of it. If you follow or even watch Mark Levin 10 times a year, you would know this but I don’t know if you follow him. I don’t know if you watch him. That doesn’t matter we don’t need to nitpick there because there are so many examples of mainstream media giving a platform to anti-Muslims. It was already shown on video numerous times. So that’s my point there. OK you can set aside an individual like Mark Levin.

The other point is at least wrt the pro war In gaza people There is much more of a proclivity and eagerness to completely shut up people or censor them …at least people who would favor censorship or a form of censorship by just labeling somebody as crazy or a racist instead of actually countering their points. And it’s also obvious in this conversation you have people who are hypocrites of the highest order. You see that they will literally not even acknowledge the existence of someone like Ben Shapiro while they spout off their view that someone they don’t like is anti semitic. That is a telltale sign of someone who is not here for a conversation, but to spew propaganda. Again you’re not doing this other people Are. ..

As it is completely normal for somebody to say “well OK we get it You think Nick Fuentes is antisemitic now what do you think about Ben Shapiro being anti Muslim? ”. If the person being asked that question says nothing at all about Ben Shapiro you’re dealing with a propagandist.

Ok so again let’s go back to congressman Randy Fine. Who said in the Piers Morgan interview which I posted in the thread that He would understand if people are afraid of Islam. Now I think that he should be debated. But according to the logic of the pro war in gaza people he is just completely crazy or a racist and nobody needs to even acknowledge what he says. Well No that’s not appropriate. That’s not America. That’s not how the country works. That is not proper journalism… and it shouldn’t be viewed as edgy or controversial if a journalist interview Randy Fine Same thing with Fuentes.

Any particular reason you chose Levin, Maher, Fine and Shapiro to criticize in this post? Is there any pattern to the people you choose to criticize that we should be noticing?

Do you not see a massive distinction between 'I understand if people are afraid of Islam' and 'All Muslims should be deported?'

I myself also understand why some folks are afraid of Islam. I also understand why some folks are afraid of the dark and I also understand why some folks are afraid of dogs. But in my opinion going from 'I understand why people are afraid of dogs' to 'Dogs should not be allowed in public' would be ridiculous.

Fuentes is a holocaust denier, wants a holy war and gives speeches at events where people chant that Jews should be killed. He isn't a a nationalist-adjacent "conservative" being called a Nazi because there is significant political overlap, he is a Nazi.

And the reason labeling people Nazis is becoming meaningless isn't simply because there is an increase in people being unfairly called Nazis. What is happening is that Nazism has become a fairly mainstream political ideology which significant traction on social media, and a fair amount of "conservative" firebrands are exploiting that traction by appeasing the movement and even appealing to it. Perhaps they aren't ideologues, but that's how this story usually goes. Fascism on its own is rarely enough, you need plenty of people who just aren't paying attention, or who think they can feed the beast for their own gain.

As has happened every time fascist movements become increasingly popular, you see a lot of people who greatly overestimate their ability to not end up before future firing squads.

I can't remember where I heard this, but someone said, and it's pretty true.

Not all Republicans are nazis but if you're a nazi you're definitely a republican.

We aren’t in the midst of the WW2 narrative anymore, as it is collapsing quickly. Labeling him a Nazi or a fascist isn’t going to work, just like how it didn’t work against Trump in ‘24.

Similar to Trump (and Kanye), Fuentes is primarily a trickster.

And as it relates to young men especially, we are in times where the trickster archetype is central.

To better understand this, watch Disney’s Loki series and ask yourself why it is Loki, the embodiment of the trickster archetype, who is able to navigate through and confront the one on the throne.

Ask yourself why Jesus told his disciples to be shrewd as a serpent and why Jesus has been historically depicted as a serpent.

This doesn’t mean every subversive act is true or good of course, but when so many young men are animated by the spirit of rebellion, trying to socially shame them from within a collapsing narrative will only embolden them.

Like I said, reality is more complex than protecting the garden from the snake. Reality is also the snake, and many disillusioned young men are eager to move forward in the story.

Many on this forum dismissed me when I said I will laugh last and the majority will be left behind..

"It would be irresponsible, if I had a wife and kids, to live around black people"

I really don't think many Americans understand Nazis very well in 2025. TD appears to grasp it, but he isn't American.

Trump and Kirk aren't and weren't Nazis, but both of them could easily agree with Nick in that video as those particular racial prejudices extend to possibly the majority of white men, and a large swath of Asians and Hispanics and was probably considered a mainstream belief a few decades ago. But he's just capitalizing by scratching that itch now that he's got the audience willing to listen.

But I will say that Nick is impressive, and he performed effectively in that interview with Tucker because he appeared no different than Trump or Kirk or your avg armchair republican boomer yelling at clouds while advancing his desire for systemic extermination of those groups. The difference is that his fanbase is growing and a lot of them apparently don't realize that they are getting something different than what they were getting with Kirk while his advisories seem to think he's just the same as all the rest.

Nazis in 2025 are the people who oppose Israel and the USA. the guys in Ukraine with swastica flags and tattoos that USA just sent 100s of billions in weaponry to? not Nazis. the progressive Democrat with a Totenkopf tattoo that bragged about murdering Arabs an Afganis? not a Nazi. some two-bit grifter that wants to send all the Jews to Palestine (ironically the same position as most Zionists). def a Nazi.

MAGA!

I'm not trying to make anything "work", I am stating that Nicholas J. Fuentes is a Nazi.

There is no doubt in my mind, that if he had the power to do so, he would put Jews and his political enemies to death. Nor do I doubt that he would support a politician willing to do so, if he believed that politician could bring it about. I also believe his is an accelerationist, someone willing to support politicians that he thinks will make political institutions collapse and make his ideology a reality.

Nor do I worry about what "young men" will or will not do, nor could I give a rat's ass about "shaming" anyone". I'm not really inclined to worrying, and the political inclinations of others is not my responsibility.

However, I absolutely will label people as Nazis when that is what they are.

While part of the movement is very visible and prides itself on being very visible, those are not the people that has will make Nazism popular again. They can certainly be dangerous, and as a group they are inclined towards acts of terror and political violence, but as politicians they are not effective.

It is the part of Nazism and right-wing extremism that is good at masking itself that enables it to enter the mainstream zeitgeist one should look out for in the political arena. Those are the people who might be able to turn Nazism into a dominant political ideology once again.

Ahh of course you failed to mention my criticism of the Catholic Robert Spencer. I’m not conversing with you anymore until you address if you think that Randy Fine is crazy because he said he would understand if Americans are afraid of Islam…. And so people should just say he is bat **** crazy, or a bigot and that’s really all they need to say …no need to counter his points right? And it’s ok for Fox News and other major companies to platform Fine but not Fuentes.

It’s been about five or six times in this thread. I asked you easy questions. You never addressed them. It’s a poor way for you engage In conversation. Everyone can see it you have no problem claiming people are anti-Jewish but you have said nothing about folks who present openly anti Muslim views. Oh well, it is what it is.

If somebody said, I would understand if Americans are afraid of Judaism, I would say if that person is called a Nazi that would probably be justified. Same with if somebody said I would understand if Americans are afraid of Islam.

That’s my view… and unlike some of the pro war in Gaza people I’m not gonna call you a racist or start to whine and moan as some pro war in Gaza people do all the time. I believe in open dialogue and if I see somebody criticizes Judaism or Islam, I will explain to them my position that such a view is not justified

This is what modern nazism / racism / evil is like btw. Smile, be polite, deflect, and just do and say the most racist **** imaginable.

Its not "I hate n******", its "well I'm just concerned about my kids and if you look at crime statistics these blacks are just dangerous, what you don't think about the kids too?"

Then when people point out that all your heroes are basically nazis they go, "says who? YOU?? A LIIIIIIB???"

My interest is actually solving these political problems in a lasting way, rather than simply being another puppet to the cyclical forces.

You are free to label people and call it a day. There is no reason for us to converse further.

Those two hypothetical statements are very dissimilar.

On topic, Fuentes imo is a total pos—his deeply closeted self-loathing obviously a gigantic factor—and it would be wonderful had he never discovered the internet.

Yeah, thats the point

Its not 1941 Germany, everything is coded now and more subtle.