The murder of Charlie Kirk
Can we all admit that the majority of extremism is coming from the left over the last handful of years?
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That's the dumbest thing you've ever said.
An argument can be made that Kyle wanted to have a reason to smoke someone just based on his recordings before the incident even happened. However, mindreading isn't legally recognized, so we have to go based on the evidence presented in court.
I thought most would figure out that I was using a bit of hyperbole and yanking some chains with some of my comments today. But I didn't make up events or put words in others' mouths like those who I was deliberately riling up.
The jury had to go by what was presented in court. We don't have to. IANAL, and I wasn't attempting to say I was certain that an improper verdict was returned on Rittenhouse.
But I've done a bit of research to refresh my memory about the incident. Neither man killed by KR was armed. One man grabbed the barrel of his semi-automatic rifle in an attempt to prevent him from shooting anyone. That actually sounds like a heroic move to me, not what that pussy did by shooting an unarmed man (4 times, at point blank range). After that, the second victim hit KR in the head with a skateboard and attempted to take his assault rifle away from him, also a heroic move, IMO. A third man then pointed a handgun at KR. He then shot that man in the arm, but the man was not killed.
What would anyone be likely to think if a 17yo kid carrying an assault rifle started walking towards a large group of people? They wouldn't reasonably worry that he planned to start shooting people? How often does a 17yo kid approach a group of people and then doesn't start shooting them? Usually when this happens, it's at a school, and many children end up dead. Of course, Charlie Kirk and most Republicans think that is just the risk that has to be taken to have a free society. But they often support schoolteachers and other staff be armed. What would be the purpose of that, if not to proactively kill a 17yo kid who shows up with an assault rifle? If a teacher shot an armed person arriving at the school, that teacher would be rightfully seen as a hero.
Can anyone honestly tell me that if they were in a large group of people when they saw this person walking towards the group, they wouldn't expect him to start shooting? Anyone who tried to wrestle the weapon away from him is a hero. KR is a villain.
What if I tell you in order to be the best at lhe, you need to realize what he is saying is true? btw about the racist thing. I don't really mean it I like to f.cuk w liberal they seem to get really shy away from speaking their mind when I bring up the race card since they love to call their own white for being racist so much.
I don't know what you're referring to here, but I'm pretty sure that there is no belief held by CK which would make me a better poker player were I to be convinced of its truth.
You seem to be living in bizarro world.
That wasn't his community. Do you truly think he didn't drive a few hours hoping for an excuse to kill someone?
This was nothing like Koreans protecting their own businesses.
This was a stupid privileged white kid with a gun fetish who loved the idea of shooting people, particularly black people. He should have gotten the death penalty (or worse, honestly).
i mean it was tho. his father lived there. I grew up to seperated parents and would consider two locations my community. even by definition it was his community because of shared custody since he was legally a child his parents had custody in two separate locations . also its the major hub around his home. this was always a silly argument
i mean it was tho. his father lived there. I grew up to seperated parents and would consider two locations my community. even by definition it was his community because of shared custody since he was legally a child
Would you drive from one of them to another in an attempt to take on some rioters (while no one in your family had been directly threatened)?
i had to google it. its like 15 minute drive I can't :p
You don't even know the facts your just drinking the coolaid. I mean american laws are weird that this happened but it did happen and was deemed legal in a court of law
Have you read Phil Newell Intelligent poker player? In the first chapter he talk about the beauty contest game. Basically it goes like this..
So this is the difference between a logical and rational person. IT seem like most poster here knows the the truth to the game is 0 and argue that the most logical answer is 0. Yet in the real world you guys are going to keep losing the game because the rational answer isn't anywhere near 0. If you transfer your poker skill to real life you realize of what Charlie Kirk said is true.
You guys keep looking at the world at what the end game should be. Yet fail to at incentive or second order effects
As I have said before, I think the rioting was wrong, but I don't approve of vigilante justice. He went looking for trouble, found it, and then cried self-defense, because he was actually a pussy, not a hero.
And you know I'm not a liberal.
you don't approve of vigilante justice even when the police is there and refuses to act against the criminals?
i had to google it. its like 15 minute drive I can't :p
You don't even know the facts your just drinking the coolaid. I mean american laws are weird that this happened but it did happen and was deemed legal in a court of law
I can totally understand why your parents separated. They realised very early that you would become a total failure.
Like its just such a weird take. I consider most places within a 20 minute drive around me "my community" I was at a wedding last weekend about a 20 min drive away. It never occurred to me I was leaving my community. im more rural then most but still its so strange. anything over an hour drive away im like ya ok I wouldn't say im from there. But if i met someone and they said they were from callander. 20 minutes away I would be like hell ya me too!
I can totally understand why your parents separated. They realised very early that you would become a total failure.
damn I have no idea who you are but after 3 posts you have given up on battling with logic and resorted to personal attacks. LUL. Thats how you know your winning an argument/debate
I can see from a city kids pov that 20 minutes away might be a different community but Antioch, Illinois has a population of 14k people thats way smaller then where I live. Small town people always travel more because they don't have what they need locally
damn I have no idea who you are but after 3 posts you have given up on battling with logic and resorted to personal attacks. LUL. Thats how you know your winning an argument/debateI can see from a city kids pov that 20 minutes away might be a different community but Antioch, Illinois has a population of 14k people thats way smaller then where I live. Small town people always tr
Pretty whiny guy you are lol.
Anyone who defends KR is automatically a babbling loser. Own it.
i had to google it. its like 15 minute drive I can't :p
You don't even know the facts your just drinking the coolaid. I mean american laws are weird that this happened but it did happen and was deemed legal in a court of law
Well, my googling came up with about 30 minutes, but yes I had definitely overestimated. I already admitted that I was going on memory of an incident that happened 5 years ago, and my posts were about my opinions, not about claiming to know all the exact facts and presenting them in a court of law.
I did come to my opinions on my own though, I didn't drink anyone's Flavor Aid (Kool-Aid gets a bad rap, I know the facts about that).
Im not even defending him. I'm just defending a single incorrect point. and I mean he was proven innocent in the court of law. im not even American I barely know anything about this event
Have you read Phil Newell Intelligent poker player? In the first chapter he talk about the beauty contest game. Basically it goes like this.. So this is the difference between a logical and rational person. IT seem like most poster here knows the the truth to the game is 0 and argue that the most logical answer is 0. Yet in the real world you guys are going to keep losing th
I have read that book, but it was many years ago. I am familiar with the beauty contest game, but I have never heard of it being applied to poker. I still don't know what it is that you think I should believe, and without that I can't determine the validity of your claim.
I thought most would figure out that I was using a bit of hyperbole and yanking some chains with some of my comments today. But I didn't make up events or put words in others' mouths like those who I was deliberately riling up.The jury had to go by what was presented in court. We don't have to. IANAL, and I wasn't attempting to say I was certain that an improper verdict was
First of all, let’s establish something here. KR was in legal possession of that gun. It was not a gun he owned, and there is a specific exception allowing him to carry a long barreled rifle, which the AR15 he had was.
So this was a gun he legally possessed and was legally allowed to open carry.
Secondly, the first guy wasn’t some brave good actor trying to prevent a mass shooting. In actual fact Rittenhouse had deescalated a conflict between him and another protestor. This guy was going around trying to light fires and attack people. He said the N word while trying to start a fight with someone.
That’s the guy you think was acting heroically? The guy trying to do arson and trying to start fights with people during what’s supposed to be a protest against police brutality?
This guy was obviously a bad actor who knew Rittenhouse wasn’t a threat, and threatened to kill him earlier in the evening. This is the most delusional cope I have ever heard to call him a hero. Idk how much research you did, because even wiki that has an extremely biased article about Rittenhouse acknowledges how much of a frankly violent and unstable person Rosenbaum was. And I make no reference to any of his past sins, I’m strictly talking about the behavior that has multiple witnesses attesting to it.
Rosenbaum
In the hours leading up to the shooting, prosecution witnesses described Rosenbaum as "hyperaggressive and acting out in a violent manner"[6] and "acting very belligerently".[72]
Witnesses described Rosenbaum carrying around a chain,[73] trying to light fires,[6] throwing rocks,[6] and trying to provoke fights with people by "false stepping" at them.[72] One witness described Rosenbaum "very bluntly asking people to shoot him"[72] saying "shoot me, *****", to which other protesters displayed negative reactions.[74]
Another witness described how, accompanied by Rittenhouse, he tried to calm a disagreement between Rosenbaum and another man when Rosenbaum made threats to kill both of them, saying "if I catch any of you guys alone tonight, I'm going to ****ing kill you!".[6] The witness stated that he believed the threat was directed at both himself and Rittenhouse and that Rittenhouse had heard the threat.[6]
Now next, you hear some shots in the video and you might wonder where they came from. Well there was some other armed ******* there that night. This guy had come armed to the riot as well. Rittenhouse was trying to put out a fire in the car lot when Zeminski approached with a pistol. On the other side of the car was Rosenbaum, who was also approaching. Did Rittenhouse shoot either of these men? No. He ran away. If his goal was to shoot someone that night, why wouldn’t he shoot the guy with a pistol in his hand right away? Why was he putting out a fire and had been witnessed giving medical assistance?
Ok so you might say so what? Well this guy Zeminski proceeds to yell out “get him and kill him!” while they are chasing him. As Rittenhouse is running away, Rosenbaum and a group of people are pursuing him. That’s when Zeminski also illegally discharged his weapon, which he was convicted of, causing Rittenhouse to turn around and see Rosenbaum, who had caught up to him and then attempted to grab his gun, prompting Rittenhouse to kill him.
How the hell are these horrible people deliberately starting crap and trying to get a mob on Rittenhouse, with a guy who was also armed yelling out to kill him, and a guy who had threatened to kill him earlier that night chasing after him trying to get his gun.
What world are we considering Rittenhouse the villain in that altercation? This guy did nothing but try to help people who were injured, deescalate, run away, and when that failed didn’t shoot until he heard a gunshot and saw a guy who had already said he wanted to kill him running at him to try to take his gun.
You honestly buy this myth you’ve concocted of a good samaritan trying to stop a mass shooting? Give me a break.
Rittenhouse testified that when he reached the Car Source lot, he noticed a vehicle with flames in the back seat and approached the vehicle intending to put out the fire. He was then approached from near the vehicle by Joshua Ziminski, who was holding a pistol in his hand. Rittenhouse dropped the fire extinguisher, intending to run away. He then noticed Rosenbaum approaching him on his right, around the side of the vehicle, with a t-shirt wrapped around his face. Rittenhouse testified that he recognized Rosenbaum as the man who had previously threatened him but did not recognize Ziminski.[76] Rittenhouse also testified that he believed Rosenbaum to be unarmed.[77] This interaction was witnessed by McGinniss, who perceived that Rosenbaum and other protesters were moving toward Rittenhouse and that Rittenhouse was trying to evade them.[78][79]
Rittenhouse testified that he then believed himself to be in danger and ran south-west across the lot, aiming for the safety of the Car Source lot buildings. Rosenbaum chased after him. Rittenhouse testified that he heard Ziminski shout to Rosenbaum "Get him and kill him!", and that he soon perceived his avenue of escape to be blocked by vehicles and a group of protesters, and that Rosenbaum was catching up to him.[76] Video footage showed Rittenhouse being pursued across a parking lot by a group of people.[80][60] During the chase, Rosenbaum threw a plastic bag containing socks, underwear, and deodorant at Rittenhouse.[78][31][81]
Ziminski fired a shot into the air, and was later charged with disorderly conduct using a dangerous weapon.[82][35] After the shot was fired, Rittenhouse turned around, to see Rosenbaum now only a few feet away from him.[76] According to McGinniss, who was standing near Rittenhouse at the time, Rosenbaum then shouted "**** you!" and "lunged" at Rittenhouse and grabbed the barrel of his rifle.[6] Rittenhouse then fired four shots at Rosenbaum, killing him.[83][84][12][85] The bullets perforated Rosenbaum's heart, aorta, pulmonary artery and right lung, fractured his pelvis, and caused minor wounds to his left thigh and forehead.[86][8
you don't approve of vigilante justice even when the police is there and refuses to act against the criminals?
No I don't. But were police actually in the specific area of the shooting? I can't imagine any officer not trying to intervene if they had seen what was going on after KR arrived on the scene.
Pretty whiny guy you are lol.
Anyone who defends KR is automatically a babbling loser. Own it.
technically what your doing is "whining" your a anti Rittenhouser and saw another anti Rittenhouser losing a debate. so you came in here and "whined"
a neutral entity called out your illogical talking point and you got big mad!
I do remember it was cross state lines tho. if you had some brain cell you would have brought that up instead of whining 😀
technically what your doing is "whining" your a anti Rittenhouser and saw another anti Rittenhouser losing a debate. so you came in here and "whined"
a neutral entity called out your illogical talking point and you got big mad!
Yeah, it's pretty clear now, your parents separated because they knew you would stay an edgy 12 year old for the rest of your life....
you could have saved some time and just post "No U!!!!!" lol.
Pretty whiny guy you are lol.
Anyone who defends KR is automatically a babbling loser. Own it.
If Rittenhouse is such a horrible person, which according to your personal code he may be, then the truth as it really happened, not some selective narrative, should be enough to convince people of that.
It’s telling that people feel the need to say it “wasn’t his community”. So if it was his community then you would be ok with what he did? You would understand why he was there, protecting some random business that had just sustained over a million in damage from arson? While people are getting injured all over and people like Rosenbaum are running around taking advantage of the anarchy?
No I’m not sure you would care if it was or wasn’t his community, which it clearly was. Your position is that people rioting have a right to run around with guns while the people protecting their community and administering aid don’t. It’s a pretty horrible position to have if you ask me.
First of all, let’s establish something here. KR was in legal possession of that gun. It was not a gun he owned, and there is a specific exception allowing him to carry a long barreled rifle, which the AR15 he had was.So this was a gun he legally possessed and was legally allowed to open carry.Secondly, the first guy wasn’t some brave good actor trying to prevent a mass shootin
This is way too much for me to meaningfully reply to, and you definitely know the details of the incident better than I do.
The only thing I definitely disagree with is that anyone could know that a 17 year old kid carrying an assault rifle was "not a threat". There are literally no circumstances in which I would ever determine that a 17 year old kid carrying an assault rifle was definitely not a threat.
It even seems like a pretty disingenuous claim on your part, because I think it would be crazy for anyone to just be super cool to have a 17yo kid carrying an assault rifle around.
I have a 17 year old nephew. He is a super sweet kid and is the minor I am closest to. I trust him more than I trust any other person I know who is under the age of 40. I would still be extremely disturbed if I saw him walking towards myself and a group of people carrying that weapon, under any circumstances I can imagine. If that did happen, I believe that I would first ask him to please put the weapon down. If he failed to do so within several seconds, I would try to take the gun away from him.
I think your fears are unjustified. indolence's is a 21st century invention through most of history a 17 year old carrying a weapon would just be considered a warrior. The only issue with guns is safely lessons which any 17 year old brain can understand. I would trust a 17 year old who was trained to use a firearm more then a 30 year old who was not.
speaking of children checkraisdraw plz don't speak to the children
