The murder of Charlie Kirk
Can we all admit that the majority of extremism is coming from the left over the last handful of years?
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While the Left tries to force inclusion and raise living standards, the main focus of the Right has been to either "own the libs" or make "the libs" hate them. I mean, what does Trump really do for them, materially, other than degrade them? But the Left hates Trump and that is enough for them because the Right are, for all their performative/claimed manliness, just purely driven by emotion. All this assumed celebration of Kirk's death is just them thinking they are achieving their goal of inducing hatred of them. They don't consider the fact that this is just some lone individual and not organizationally backed action.
The Right has deluded themselves into a model of the social world where all that matters is how triggered the opposition culture gets, because they don't have the courage to confront the elites who are making them miserable with inequality and deplorable labor conditions. The Right are extremely fearful people. Don't be fooled by their bravado. They go into Starbucks with rifles because they are absolutely terrified 24 hrs a day.
Not to mention, they always openly celebrate death of who they see as their cultural enemy. They they naturally assume we would too. No matter what the actual reaction is, they just know we love it and they could never be convinced otherwise. It's kinda like how people who are scheming and treacherous are also super suspicious.
well its gonna take a lot longer for those 7th graders to die off than for people like me that dont care at all about this dime a dozen paid propagandist. and unlike me, they think its a "good thing" hes dead. so maybe the trend isnt going the way you want.
Here is a fun fact. Warren Buffett father is a hardcore right wing "radical" elected U.S Rep. He adore his father and couldn't change party until after this death. He now a lifetime Democrats because he believe in civil right. His middle child end up becoming a life long Republican and one of his kid become a Democrat working for Obama Admin. Same with Charlie Munger he was a lifetime Republican but his kids are on both side. Fyi in before you hate Charlie Munger because he a Republican, he was a huge support of abortion and came to the conclusion that it was a right thing even though he had +7 kids. Him and Warren Buffett support indirectly help Roe vs Wade passed. Look up 1969 — People v. Belous (California).
So no I have no problem w my kids believing in the left side. I think their heart should fight for what they consider is good side. But growing up I would hope they understand the world is more complicated than Disney movies.
Some see left and right, red and blue, liberal or conservative, all I see is a bunch of brainwashed idiots falling for the divide and conquer agenda.
Here is a fun fact. Warren Buffett father is a hardcore right wing "radical" elected U.S Rep. He adore his father and couldn't change party until after this death. He now a lifetime Democrats because he believe in civil right. His middle child end up becoming a life long Republican and one of his kid become a Democrat working for Obama Admin. Same with Charlie Munger he was a l
Ok good story. I don't support lol Dems.
The issue isn't that mainstream liberals/leftists are cheering on fringe far left political violence. The issue is that they are gaslighting us that there isn't an epidemic of this, and it is actually far violent far leftists who are the victims; when our own eyes and ears see that reality is clearly the opposite of this.
And the downstream consequence is that people that are willing to point out reality are going to be supported at the ballot box. Which means Trump/MAGA as things stand.
The violence of the radical fringe left, and mainstream leftist agnosticism of it, is really the only thing keeping MAGA afloat right now, as most of their policies are doing (predictably) poorly. Which is why MAGA is focusing so much on this issue.
ah I get where this is going. Me and you aren't so different Victor. Next time I go back to Vietnam you should come with me. I can introduce you to my Vietnamese communist friends back in my old country. You would make a great party leader over there, they would love to hear your ideas and make the country a better place. Instead of posting on this forum your in person persuasiveness would do wonder going back with me.
I am being serious with this offer by the way. I am heading back in Feb. I will book you a free ticket if you willing to go with me. We will have a great time together.
I skimmed his Kirk assassination speech, and he went very hard on telling young people to get into the game and to ditch the free market pro Israel republican talk. I didn't know who he was wither but I am a lot more familiar with his kind in the real world than what I've seen from Kirk who acted like a scripted republican shill. Fuentes is far more dangerous but is also goin
Fuentes has positioned himself quite well. His stream on Kirk got crazy numbers. This is a holocaust denying, loud-and-proud variety racist. So the Zionists love him. The conservative mob is looking to Fuentes now because he has shown integrity in spots where no other conservative commentators have. Like when Trump threw all the Jan. 6 crowd under the bus and begged to stay on Twitter, Fuentes was highly critical and he's just never been apologetic where every other conservative has been. Even after Charlottesville, in spots where the Trump people were clamoring to wash any racist stink off them he was like no we did what we did, what? He has shown conservatives how to deal with blowback and they are all pretty much making themselves into his mold now.
His Kirk stream was calling for an authoritarian crack down on anyone saying things against an extreme Rightwing agenda. And he is their de facto leader, at least ideologically, now, so I would agree he is dangerous.
I don't know what your ultimate point is, but I'll accept the premise that violent rhetoric and celebration of violence incrementally increases the likelihood of future violence.
Come on, bro. This wasn’t his premise. And I’m surprised you think he’ll understand the distinction you made above. The effort was already had.
Some see left and right, red and blue, liberal or conservative, all I see is a bunch of brainwashed idiots falling for the divide and conquer agenda.
24 hours cable news, social media, lying media, radical media (FOX/MSNBC), our "leaders" in congress, and the clown in the white house. And here we are.
It’s funny when people say things like, “as a rule…” as if they didn’t make up the rule and impose it on themselves.
As for the topic, I’m just glad that with all the rumors flying we definitely have the best and most qualified people leading the charge (not total sycophants appointed by an infamous grifter).
Can't speak for anyone else, but when I say "as a rule I..." I'm referring to my own personal rule that I made up to impose on myself.
If I say "as a rule..." without a personal pronoun I would be making a more general claim, rather than one just about myself. (e.g. "As a rule, it is better to err on the side of caution.")
The issue isn't that mainstream liberals/leftists are cheering on fringe far left political violence. The issue is that they are gaslighting us that there isn't an epidemic of this, and it is actually far violent far leftists who are the victims; when our own eyes and ears see that reality is clearly the opposite of this. And the downstream consequence is that people that are
70% of Republicans think the election was stolen. I think even if we are lying about there not being a problem we’ll do just fine.
I really havent seen many people cheering this on. the mainstream media and the leading Democrats have all been praising Kirk (lol) and condemning his murder. the socialist and anti-Imperialist people that I follow literally dont care and are pretty befuddled that he is getting so much attention.
I think you guys are getting hoodwinked by the algorithm a little bit.
Well said.
(What's wrong with me...I've 'liked' posts by Trolly, Victor and Coordi in this thread.)
The Right has deluded themselves into a model of the social world where all that matters is how triggered the opposition culture gets...
Not to mention, they always openly celebrate death of who they see as their cultural enemy. They they naturally assume we would too.
In that case they're correct. People who see Kirk as a 'cultural enemy' (an attitude obviously shared with the murderer) have in fact been openly celebrating, and not only in the US. The President of the Oxford Union (a student debating society, m'lud) has made an unpleasant spectacle of himself in just that very way.
CHARLIE KIRK (HOST): I know what you're thinking, we've got to get Joe Biden out of the way so we can run against Kammy. Oh my goodness, is she beatable. It's like Black Hillary on steroids. Is she Black? I guess she says she's Caribbean or whatever. ...
She would be a lot easier to beat than Joe Biden. Joe Biden is a bumbling dementia filled Alzheimer's corrupt tyrant who should honestly be put in prison and/or given the death penalty for his crimes against America.
Leave it to Media Matters to find the most unhinged **** that people have said.
Casual homophobia aside, WTF? The shooter looks like the most basic-ass straight white dude I've ever seen. What part of his American flag & eagle shirt, baseball hat & shades look screams "kind of fruity" to you? Is there a camp element to this that I'm missing? The obsession with smearing transgender people who have never harmed you in the slightest conceivable way and have z
What is going through that little head of yours? Oh my god he said "fruity". What if a gay person logs on to the internet and sees hole in wan on 2p2 say fruity? They are going to be so offended and hurt by this. I can't just sit and watch this happen. I need to blubber to a moderator and end this madness,
pull yourself together. this is absolutely pathetic
Remind me why I should give a **** who he was allegedly dating? He might have been playing hide the salami with Italian girls, who gives a flying ****.
how are the usual geniuses failing to understand why people are trying to figure out the motive?
The horniness for wanting to make this about support for trans people is off the ****ing charts
I could make millions with an ASMR onlyfans whispering this **** to the right I think
oh my lord this guy is gross. someone needs to stop this immediately
NYT has quotes from the discord chat
Again, I am really struggling to see this trans angle. ItÂ’s looking more and more like an intentional delay in admitting this was right on right violence.
Why are you reaching so hard? Yeah evidence and common sense point to right on right violence. Theres no tie to the trans partner at all. Definitely no connection to messages on the casings
A question for liberals (anyone can respond): What percentage of mainstream Republicans do you believe are Nazis and/or fascists?
(I'll have follow up questions after you respond to this.)
This brings up an interesting observation. I would say most of the left here would give you a number ranging from 10 to 20 percent. But in reality if they talked to roughly half of the population about politics they would have a position that triggers being called a nazi or fascist. Its just textbook extremist mentality.
I saw this yesterday and it pretty much embodies the temperament and mentality on here
File this under Just Thought I'd Mention It:
100% chance that someone with a handle like DonJuan is so ugly he has to keep blinders on his dog to keep it from howling.
edit: I can say this because I'm ugly, too. (One reason I don't own a dog.)
Leave it to Media Matters to find the most unhinged **** that people have said.
I might agree with him if he’d cited humanity instead of America.
File this under Just Thought I'd Mention It:
100% chance that someone with a handle like DonJuan is so ugly he has to keep blinders on his dog to keep it from howling.
edit: I can say this because I'm ugly, too. (One reason I don't own a dog.)
eh did you look at the username date? it was during my year as a Democrat in my youth. Guess I didn't learn from good role model. Keep them coming I still have my troll side from the left
