The murder of Charlie Kirk

It's astounding to me that anyone who follows politics as closely as many people ITT do would ever guess that some Leftist did this. What modern pattern would that fit?

Sadly, Leftists don't have guns by and large. And the ones who do don't invest enough time in training on them to hit a target from 200 yards and plan an escape. So called social justice warriors are not really warriors. Their version of justice always has a community, democratic basis. I say this to people all the time that George Zimmerman could walk amongst a crowd of people protesting his not guilty verdict and he would be perfectly fine. Like maybe one person would throw a drink on him or something, maybe.

Leftist violence would be too satisfying to the majority and harmful to the oligarchy. The oligarchy is winning. So you're not going to see Leftist violence, pretty much an oxymoron now. ANTIFA, rumor of which is enough to cause small conservative towns to mobilize like a military post, has maybe socked 5 neo Nazis in the face. That's pretty much it. And don't give me Mangione. He's clearly off his rocker and his politics were all over the place.

A rightwinger did this, 100-1 odds in favor would be being generous to the Right. Is there any betting market for this? Let's put our money up.

Guy was probably super closeted, but we can only speculate now

Just your average stand-up paid propagandist, justifying their hate mongering, via the bible.

You have to give Kirk props for being a skilled debater. The guy just turned a beautiful passage in the bible of, "love thy neighbor as thyself", into, love means that you need to tell gay people they are wrong, and the bible says to stone gay people.

I have to almost applaud it.

Ok so in a theological debate about what the bible , textually, actually prescribes about homosexuals, he correctly points out the text prescribes stoning, which is uncontroversial and objectively true.

And you change that objectively true statement about the textual, literal content of the bible in "HE ADVOCATES FOR STONING GAY PEOPLE". Which he never did.

He was commenting a person that, as a christian, was *using the bible textually to justify acceptance of homosexuals* (with "love thy neighbour"), and he correctly said that that person is objectively wrong and a textual interpretation of the bible clearly does not support that.

He never for an instant, not even tangentially, talked about what people today should do.

How ****ing in bad faith can you be every single time ? are you actually for real

What are you ****ing talking about, anyone on either the left or the right side of the aisle could come up with the idea of "I'll need to flee the scene of the crime." Is this your version of "Arabs could never learn how to fly a plane into a building?" (happy 9/11, btw).

If it’s God’s perfect law, and Charlie believes all of God’s laws should be followed, then it follows that Charlie believes we should follow that law.

At least if he is being rational and doesn’t want to hold contradictory beliefs.

He could of course have instrumental reasons for not advocating for it, like it’s unpopular, but he doesn’t say that, right?

Also there’s a bit of a theological problem here that’s not relevant to the discussion because obviously Charlie is not well-versed in theology if he thinks that Christians think the law is perfect and must all be followed.

Uh, yeah wtf.

He was supposedly wearing an injured veterans shirt

I agree the neck is an unlikely target. I do know the sniper shot is always meant to be a kill straight cut to black type of shot, so I’m assuming the head was the target.

Either way, that was a kill shot with no chance of survival. I doubt he was even aware he’d been shot. Like the sopranos finale.

"god perfect law" is a theological expression ffs. That's your problem i guess. You didn't know that is an actual expression that is used to describe biblical content (although it is usually reserved for when jesus christ goes counter the old testament, as an expression of superiority of christ claim over potential opposite previous claims).

It's like in jurisprudence when you say "the spirit of the law".

It's a way to say "what the bible text actually means".

The video is cut a second after he cites the stoning in the bible btw so we don't know what he says after that.

But we can be 100% sure, that if he said something advocating for actual stoning in real life in any way, they would have cut later...

Anyway coride claimed he ADVOCATED TO STONE GAY PEOPLE, while he *correctly told christians that if you believe in a textual interpretaion of the bible , you simply cannot condone homosexuality with no ifs and no buts*

(which is why textual interpretations of the bibles are ******ed but that's another matter).

Note that from the video *we do not know if he believes in textual interpretations of the bible* (he probably doesn't). BUT HE WAS ANSWERING A PERSON who used a textual interpretation to condone homosexuality.

And he correctly countered that no, you can't.

Have you guys ever talked with a jesuit before?

lol... wow... you have an insane ability to warp just about anything into a justification for you or other people's actions and views. And no, of course not Lucy... he wasn't calling for people to stone gay people. lol

He was asked to respond to what this woman said, and his response was to say that love thy neighbor actually meant to "call them out" ... and Kirk wasn't implying that she was wrong to interpret "love thy neighbor" as love all people and gay people? WTF was he doing then? Explain what the intent of that response was then.

I'll help... it was to say that gay people are evil/wrong in God's eyes.

That's how he warped the passage, to "love they neighbor as thyself" to mean. And that was coordi's point. Unreal you think it was meant to be literal stoning.

Yeah man, the handful of posters that I actively detest calling me bad faith is like them shining my armor. I look in the mirror and feel spectacular

Its just a natural result of me beating you into submission over the months with all the condescension you deserve

Disabled veterans. I've said this several times in here.

The intent was to make it clear that anyone who is a christian AND a believer in textual biblical interpretation CANNOT CONDONE HOMOSEXUALITY. There is no room there. You can love an homosexual same as you love a criminal as a christian, but you can never accept the inherent act (or desire) of homosexuality as healthy, morally acceptable and so on.

Very normal and straightforward theological take , one of the many reasons most people aren't literal biblical christians anymore.

Yes homosexuals are defective evil people in god's eyes in the biblic text. There is no doubt about it whatsoever. And it shouldn't be surprising, it's the same in islam

Your sights should be set for the given range, the adjustment being particular to the given ammunition of the rifle. Small-arms rounds do not fly like the birds and the bees, they drop to the ground at the same rate as any falling object under gravity once they leave the muzzle, the question being how far they can go in the available half-second or so. The higher the velocity, the flatter the curve and the less adjustment needed for a given range.

The murderer was presumably aiming for the head and thinking he was Lee Oswald or somebody. The whole thing does remind you how lucky George Orwell was to survive that throat wound from a Nationalist sniper's rifle in Spain. It just barely missed Orwell's carotid artery. Otherwise we'd never have had Animal Farm or Nineteen Eighty-Four.

It's hard to say whether the reddit sleuths who identified it as a disabled veterans shirt are correct or not. The FBI photo is too blurry to be sure. In any case, the T-shirt is only useful as a tool for identifying the shooter. It doesn't tell us anything about the shooter's politics. If your main goal was to blend in at a Charlie Kirk event, a disabled veterans T-shirt would be a totally reasonable thing to wear, no matter what your actual politics were.

Technically those are "FBI under cover meme" sunglasses.

This is the actual meme template

Not that we took much notice of Orwell’s warning, judging by the state of the west now.

Who knows, doesnt sound smart.

If the shooter didn't zero his scope for ths distance and he aims for his nose, the bullet could easily hit him in the chin or neck because you are going to have a few inches of bullet drop - probably most likely scenario for how it played out.

But I'd assume an amateur would understand his scope enough to do that but who knows.

And we don't even know if he was using standard iron sights which would both point more to bullet drop but less likely to hit him at all at that distance.

I'm talking about the execution (of the plan not of the fascist pos). It's like someone with military training. Very few Leftists have military training. It's not really our thing. When Leftists do partake in violence they do it better. Leftists have more courage. I know that's not the common association. But, again, who open carries a rifle into a coffee shop but someone who is scared out of their mind 24 hrs a day?

No, they’re that sporty weird shape with the curve. Unfortunately, those are conservative sunglasses. I don’t make the rules!!

If the shooting had occurred on Long Island, I would agree. But in sunny areas where people spend a ton of time doing outdoor recreational activities, wrap around sunglasses are less of an indicator. Your average mountain biker in Moab very well could be wearing wrap around shades. And that wouldn't necessarily signal anything to me about his politics.

With the shooter being 200 yards out and maybe if there was any sort of wind, could it be that he was aiming for the head and just happened to hit the neck instead?

(not much of a shooter....been many years since I fired a rifle)

Agree with a lot of this. If we’re being super technical and assuming this was a sniper, then he missed his target. Not sure how to calculate that into the equation for guessing his level of training…

The only definitive conservative sunglasses are those wrap around kind. And the geometric circle kind are only Leftists. Any other kind of sunglasses could be any political affiliation.