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The actual president of the USA (and the VP) are going to trade war with the EU and Brazil because the EU and Brazil (and UK) did erode actual free speech. That's the most pro free speech action since forever in my memory by an american president. I am not sure which stuff you are referring to about Trump eroding free speech. He is trying to get private companies to censor priv
He literally fired someone for reporting FACTS. Yeah very difficult to see where he is eroding free speech. True head scratcher this one.
Edit: and lol at pretending Trump is starting trade wars to defend free speech in the EU and Brazil. What a lie.
All you have to do is ask. I'm have no problem saying how I feel — some of it is implied here and stated more directly elsewhere — but I don't see much reason to state the obvious, and I'm less inclined to cede when told to restate my views and write an apologia. There's this propaganda slogan (TDS) that some conservatives like to casually throw around, and while I'
I've attacked two specific points that you've made:
1. libs have an oversized blame for regression of free speech
2. libs being libs is huge reason why Trump was elected
I can't counter point 1 without pointing out that while libs have actually done nothing to erode free speech, the current sitting president is actively eroding free speech
Your 2nd point was about Trump
I think TDS is blaming the libs for **** Trump is doing while we still have 3.5 more years of Trump. Pontificating about liberal book banning as a way to frame Trump as a rational choice is TDS
It's obviously been a long time since I sat down and read any of them, but my immediate reaction when thinking about these examples is that Seuss is imaginative whimsy and Goodnight Moon will just put both of us to sleep out of boredom.
The goal was never to have the kid fall asleep WHILE reading.
lol, that is absolutely the point of Goodnight Moon.
There's this propaganda slogan (TDS) that some conservatives like to casually throw around, and while I've never used it, I can see why it caught on.
You're so very bad at this.
Anywho, as per the American Library Association, the top 3 books most frequently targeted for censorship in schools and public libraries are All Boys Aren't Blue by George M. Johnson, Gender Queer: A Memoir by Maia Kobabe, and The Bluest Eye by Toni Morrison. I'll leave it as an exercise for you guys if you think liberal or conservative activists are behind these challenges.
https://www.ala.org/bbooks/frequentlycha...
I don't see a single book on the list that could credibly be said to be targeted by the left.
It's not censorship if it's about minors having access in public spaces.
Otherwise you should list all porn as well, which you aren't listing, so ...
Gonna go with what actual librarians say instead of an illiterate fascist halfwit on this one.
The NAACP is not "the left." Just because a group may lean left in their ideology does not mean they represent the left wing with their actions. The desire to ban Dr. Seuss books was absolutely not a desire of any significant portion of the left wing at any point. It was a fringe idea put forth by one group. That's distinctly different from what the right wing does.
Is your argument that "the left" isn't in ideological lockstep but that "the right" is? If so that's going to be one of the dumbest things you've ever posted and you post lots of dumb stuff.
He makes a bit of a point. The call to ban books is more widespread on the right, but I acknowledged that, and the point stands about the the woke left — for lack of a better word — and their virtual silence or general support for such things, as well as their routine and often successful attempts to suppress ideas and police and manipulate language, which is at the heart of my comments. Arguing that the bans didn't come from "the left" is a bit pedantic.
He doesn't have a bit of a point, and that's because he is really stupid. Just like this idea. It's a straw man, nothing more.
Yes, the right is much more in lock step about banning books than the right is, particularly if you include groups advocating definitively fringe ideas like banning Dr. Seuss books. You can always just prove this wrong by showing the long list of left wing outfits echoing this claim. How hard do you think I would have to work to make a similar list of right wing outfits?
It isn't pedantic, to point out that my point is my point.
Come on, this isn't even that hard to understand.
Also kindly don't quote people I have on my ignore list at me. There's a reason he's blocked.
I have sympathies for the criticism of the censorious nature of the left, but at the same time I’m just not feeling giving any ground on that issue because the most pressing issues are on the right. But I will say that it doesn’t help us when we always try to be the most culturally pure to the point that it’s hard for any normal person to reach the threshold of behavior the left is expecting. And sometimes consequences go way over the top for something that should be open for reform or that not everyone needs to or would know about if the internet didn’t exist.
Whenever I hear about lefties banning books, they're historically significant titles that contain language or concepts that wouldn't fly in modern polite society. They're trying to rewrite or censor history.
When I see calls for book-banning from right-wing Karens, it's mostly new queer stuff or things with explicit sexual content they're trying to crush before it gets a foothold in society.
Out of curiosity, I found a list of books recently banned in Florida and looked up a bunch of summaries. It was much less about "My 2 dads" and "Mommy misgendered me again" and more books about teenage sexual awakenings, abuse, and other really dark stuff. Abortions came up a lot, too. Best I can tell, the reason there are so many books on these lists is because they blanket banned authors who tend to write the same stuff in slightly different flavors.
So to that end, I think the media has done a good job of painting this as a fight against the alphabet mafia, when in reality, most of these titles are just really dark **** that kids probably shouldn't be reading. All but 2 or 3 of the titles I checked included references to rape of young girls.
Oh really
Even Gavin's state banned To kill a Mockingbird
Dr. Seuss is referenced on this very page, and some of his books were banned by the libs because of "racist imagery".
Banning books with explicit sexual imagery is done on both sides, but the right-wingers get most of the attention.
To Dem credit, most of the places trying to outright ban the bans are left-leaning. Though, how much of that is embracing literary freedom and how much is just following along with the narrative that right-wingers are nutjobs who want to ban all dissenting media is up for debate.
You read that Dr. Seuss was referenced by didn't read that the family estate decided to take them out of publishing?
Surely you read Formula coping hardcore over it...
He doesn't have a bit of a point, and that's because he is really stupid. Just like this idea. It's a straw man, nothing more. Yes, the right is much more in lock step about banning books than the right is, particularly if you include groups advocating definitively fringe ideas like banning Dr. Seuss books. You can always just prove this wrong by showing the long list of left w
I was referring to you having a point, not him.
C'mon, you weren't born yesterday.
"The National Education Association, which founded Read Across America Day in 1998 and deliberately aligned it with Geisel’s birthday, has for several years deemphasized Seuss and encouraged a more diverse reading list for children.
School districts across the country have also moved away from Dr. Seuss, prompting Loudoun County, Virginia, schools just outside Washington, D.C., to douse rumors last month that they were banning the books entirely.
“Research in recent years has revealed strong racial undertones in many books written/illustrated by Dr. Seuss,” the school district said in a statement.
In 2017, a school librarian in Cambridge, Massachusetts, criticized a gift of 10 Seuss books from first lady Melania Trump, saying many of his works were “steeped in racist propaganda, caricatures, and harmful stereotypes.”
Nope, the family woke up one day in 2021 at the height of cancel culture and said, "You know what? Some people might consider these books racist. Let's stop."
Oh really
Even Gavin's state banned To kill a Mockingbird
1) the state did not “ban” tkam, Burbank Unified School District took it off a list of required reading. we can argue that was stupid, but it was temporary (I can’t see whether they made it permanent or not, apparently no one actually cares) and it was because a black student got called racial slurs and the kid used the book as his excuse for doing so.
2) removing a book off of required reading is hardly the same as banning it from a library. they are still apparently available as elective reading.
C'mon, you weren't born yesterday."The National Education Association, which founded Read Across America Day in 1998 and deliberately aligned it with Geisel’s birthday, has for several years deemphasized Seuss and encouraged a more diverse reading list for children.School districts across the country have also moved away from Dr. Seuss, prompting Loudoun County, Virginia, schoo
Not seeing any actual bans of Dr. Seuss there. Try again.
I'm glad we're down to arguing over semantics, at least; where all good derails go to die.
C'mon, you weren't born yesterday."The National Education Association, which founded Read Across America Day in 1998 and deliberately aligned it with Geisel’s birthday, has for several years deemphasized Seuss and encouraged a more diverse reading list for children.School districts across the country have also moved away from Dr. Seuss, prompting Loudoun County, Virginia, schoo
Jesus christ referencing a school librarian from MAssachusetts is certainly something
But to the broader point, you show distinct evidence that literary organizations have slowly shied away from Seuss as his more racist works have become more well known. Can you think of a reason they might do this that you might possibly agree with?
can we all just recognize that not forcing kids to read books and outright banning then from libraries are not the same thing?
like maybe it’s bad that racism is being used to justify taking certain books off the required reading list, but why not discretely address that instead of rolling every issue together into one.
All you have to do is ask. I'm have no problem saying how I feel — some of it is implied here and stated more directly elsewhere — but I don't see much reason to state the obvious, and I'm less inclined to cede when told to restate my views and write an apologia.
republican answer to whatboutism vs trump: its TDS
trump answer to all whataboutism vs democrtas :
BidenDS
HillaryDS
ObamaDS
FakenewsDS
etc.
as for real political talk about policies when does this happned on the republican side ?
especially for trump ?
I've attacked two specific points that you've made:1. libs have an oversized blame for regression of free speech2. libs being libs is huge reason why Trump was electedI can't counter point 1 without pointing out that while libs have actually done nothing to erode free speech, the current sitting president is actively eroding free speechYour 2nd point was about TrumpI think TDS
And we disagree on both points and the bolded (though I wouldn't really call them libs). That's fine, but I'm not sure what else you want me to say. I gave detailed responses. You found them unconvincing.
I agree that the president's behavior has been abundantly worse, but it doesn't necessarily follow that it has to be introduced into the conversation. In fact, it's nonessential information for refuting my argument, and if it does get brought up, it doesn't have to become the main focus.
I somewhat regret making the TDS comment. I don't want to "fight" with others, but I couldn't think of a clearer way to emphasize the point from that post.
