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12 October 2020 at 08:13 AM
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by coordi

Seems bad

True American freedom !

Ps: sounds like primary school laws…
But yeah, they sound like children so I guess it fits shrug.


creepy

https://www.reddit.com/r/CringeTikToks/c...


Not clicking but indeed CringeTikTok subreddit sounds creepy.


Several times in the recent past the Republicans in the Oregon legislature have refused to show up for votes, denying a quora requirement of the constitution so that legislation favored by the majority of the legislature and the populace can't get passed. And for issues far less important than unprecedented redistricting to try to continue minority rule.

I doubt this got much national news coverage. Seems like yet another rather underhanded cheat by Republicans to subvert the preferences of the majority. Then when Democrats later do the same thing, Republicans suddenly find it to be criminal.


The Oregon thing was getting some coverage from what I remember.


by wet work

The Oregon thing was getting some coverage from what I remember.

Maybe so. It's hard for me to know whether or not local and state news is getting national coverage.


by Trolly McTrollson

It's the year of Our Lord 2025 and Ins0 is still mad about school integration and school bussing.

I'm not mad about it, but busing was really, really dumb.


by Gorgonian

The Oklahoma SI is trying to force teaching the bible and that the 2020 election was stolen. Conservatives all over the country are banning books from schools. It's most DEFINITELY a red vs blue issue.

Banning books also isn't a left vs right thing. Decades ago lefties were banning Huckleberry Finn, for example.


by geezerchess

I'm not mad about it, but busing was really, really dumb.

It definitely would have been better to just make sure all schools across the country are equally funded.


by chillrob

It definitely would have been better to just make sure all schools across the country are equally funded.

For sure a Hobson's Choice.

And the idea of "equally funded" isn't as straightforward as one might think. Some states and municipalities have vast cost-of-living differences. School districts with extreme weather have infrastructure needs that other districts don't.

And some of the school districts with the biggest budgets often have far worse outcomes for their students than the ones that spend less per pupil.

Private schools often have a far lower cost-per-student than public schools and they often have far better outcomes. Public schools tend to be top-heavy with respect to Administrative costs.


by geezerchess

Banning books also isn't a left vs right thing. Decades ago lefties were banning Huckleberry Finn, for example.

Family Ties did a two-part episode about Jennifer's school banning Huckleberry Finn.

Anyway, they're also responsible for removing "problematic" and "outdated" language from the works of P. G. Wodehouse, Roald Dahl, et al. This is arguably worse than random school library bans. There's also a recent story about a San Francisco bookstore that decided to stop selling J. K. Rowling books because her Women's Fund.

Stephen King's short essay on book bans is worth checking out.

https://stephenking.com/works/essay/book...


"We're not going to sit here and be lectured by a man who wrote a book describing pre-teens participating in group sex."

I've seen that sentiment pop up quite a bit recently because King has spoken out about the "Epstein List" probably not being a real thing that exists and people should stop being so insane. But when he dunks on Trump on Twitter, he's a gem of a human and national treasure.

We're all guilty of selective outrage, but hell hath no fury like a lefty keyboard-warrior being accused of hypocrisy.


by geezerchess

Banning books also isn't a left vs right thing. Decades ago...

If both sides were equally at fault you wouldn't need to dig up decades-old anecdotes.


by Trolly McTrollson

If both sides were equally at fault you wouldn't need to dig up decades-old anecdotes.

I have no idea if they are currently "equally at fault" or not.

That said, the only "lefty" example that came to mind was Huckleberry Finn, so I ran with it.

On a related point, what did you think of Leftist students at the former bastion of the free-speech movement (UC Berzerkly) engaging in violence to stop Ann Coulter (or was it Milo?) from speaking there several years ago?


by geezerchess

On a related point, what did you think of Leftist students at the former bastion of the free-speech movement (UC Berzerkly) engaging in violence to stop Ann Coulter (or was it Milo?) from speaking there several years ago?

Laziest ****ing "whatabout?" ever. Who/what exactly are you mad about now, and what does his have to do with book censorship?


by zers

Stephen King's short essay on book bans is worth checking out.

https://stephenking.com/works/essay/book...

[Quote=Stephen King]If they are left to their own devices, a great deal of good literature may soon disappear from the shelves of school libraries simply because good books -- books that make us think and feel -- always generate controversy.[/quote]

I don't see how this could possibly be true. Sometimes there is just good writing and a good story that captivates people. Sometimes you don't even need much of a story and a book can survive based on the strength of the writing alone-- I'm thinking of The Waves by Virginia Woolf for that example.

It seems like a really weird thing for him to say.


by Trolly McTrollson

Laziest ****ing "whatabout?" ever. Who/what exactly are you mad about now, and what does his have to do with book censorship?

I'm not 'mad' about anything. The folks who are mad type stuff that gets bleeped by the filter.

I was moving beyond book bans to the more general topic of Censoriousness (which includes book banning ofc).

I would be thrilled and delighted hear your answer to the question I posed.

(If you're too upset and angry to answer my question, I fully understand.)


by Inso0

"We're not going to sit here and be lectured by a man who wrote a book describing pre-teens participating in group sex."I've seen that sentiment pop up quite a bit recently because King has spoken out about the "Epstein List" probably not being a real thing that exists and people should stop being so insane. But when he dunks on Trump on Twitter, he's a gem of a human and nati

Brother, you are a self described fat ogre who goes on rants about how deplorable fat ogres are and how disgusting you find fat ogre women

When hypocrisy is your whole schtick maybe keep the hypocrisy criticisms to yourself


by geezerchess

I'm not 'mad' about anything. The folks who are mad type stuff that gets bleeped by the filter.

I was moving beyond book bans to the more general topic of Censoriousness (which includes book banning ofc).

I would be thrilled and delighted hear your answer to the question I posed.

(If you're too upset and angry to answer my question, I fully understand.)

The word you're searching for is "censorship," and native speakers normally wouldn't capitalize it there.


by coordi

Brother, you are a self described fat ogre who goes on rants about how deplorable fat ogres are and how disgusting you find fat ogre women

When hypocrisy is your whole schtick maybe keep the hypocrisy criticisms to yourself

I'd expect this from someone like Trolly, but this is super spicy for a coordi post.

I'm not sure you could squint hard enough at my recent posts to put these exact words in my mouth if you tried. Out of curiosity, I searched all three operative words you used here in my own post history, and in a shocking twist, it doesn't support your little outburst here in the slightest.


by coordi

Brother, you are a self described fat ogre who goes on rants about how deplorable fat ogres are and how disgusting you find fat ogre women

When hypocrisy is your whole schtick maybe keep the hypocrisy criticisms to yourself

Sounds more like self-loathing than hypocrisy.


by Trolly McTrollson

The word you're searching for is "censorship," and native speakers normally wouldn't capitalize it there.

I often have trouble with words. I ain't the wordsmith I used to be.

Thanks for the correction.


by Inso0

I'd expect this from someone like Trolly, but this is super spicy for a coordi post.

I personally would have made fun of the obvious hypocrisy of you calling anyone a "keyboard warrior," but your hypocrisy about fat people is equally funny.


by Trolly McTrollson

I personally would have made fun of the obvious hypocrisy of you calling anyone a "keyboard warrior," but your hypocrisy about fat people is equally funny.

I didn't know Inso0 identified as a 'lefty.' (His exact phrase was "lefty keyboard warrior.")

All of us are keyboard warriors in these here parts.


by Inso0

"We're not going to sit here and be lectured by a man who wrote a book describing pre-teens participating in group sex."I've seen that sentiment pop up quite a bit recently because King has spoken out about the "Epstein List" probably not being a real thing that exists and people should stop being so insane. But when he dunks on Trump on Twitter, he's a gem of a human and nati

It's always annoying when people try — sometimes successfully — to invalidate an opinion because they don't like the source or because the source has done something they don't like. I don't know exactly what King said, but calling him out for including such a scene in one of his horror novels is hardly a the win some of them must think it is.

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