President Donald Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at
you just have no idea what probable cause is do you?
hint: if you do a pretextual stop and then keep them for longer than needed by one second, but you end up discovering huge bags of cocaine, the case will get thrown out.
probable cause is not retroactive
yes evidence discovered during an illegal search can't be used.
But, if the subject unjustifingly searched is an illegal, he will be detained and deported anyway. See the difference?
Lol bro - it being an “ICE raid” doesn’t change the legal standard. Where you getting that from?
A raid where they get a warrant beforehand and list out why they think there are illegals there to the satisfaction of a judge is different than just rolling up to Home Depot at 7am and sweeping the parking lot.
The context of a stop do change the legal standard, at least according to SCOTUS.
In Terry vs Ohio there was no warrant, yet the stop and frisk was deemed legal.
Now the sweep in the parking lot, that's interesting (and in-between raiding facilities where you have information illegals work, and picking a random person in the street) and i'd like to hear courts answering that, i don't think the answer is obvious.
I think Trumps approval rating right now is right around at its average. But I think that youre going to need a lot more **** to hit the fan than whats going on now conisdering this will be mostly forgotten in due time.The dems are also weaker now than they were in 2017-19 which is quite an achievement. But trump is the best shot at ****ing things uo so bad that it leaves an
I meant polling specifically on immigration, his overall number have been stable around -7% but he used to be positive on immigration and that has gone away. He's gone from 55% to 30% in specific polls on immigration. Dems in 2018 won the house popular vote by over 8 points and picked up the more seats than in 40 years.
Right now these thugs are getting away with attacking Ice officers. They need to do something about this. It's time to get harsh.
From clips I've seen the officers are the thugs. But I imagine they're already authorized to retaliate against people who are endangering them.
Man they need detention centers because of the insane rules that requires a hearing for everyone of them before deportation, those rules you claimed are sacred and that trump shouldn't violate and so on.Now you complain if they do follow those rules and so need to detain them until the backlog of immigration court cases is cleared? ofc it's abherrant that they get a hearing , i
I don't normally have proof of citizenship on me. I guess my Social Security card should show legal residency, but those are pretty easily counterfeited so I doubt the ICE agents are accepting them as proof.
I don't know for sure though - does anyone know if they are releasing people if they just show a SS card? Or what is enough to be released?
If the law says they should go away they should go away no matter what your opinion on their essentiality is, IF you want to claim you care about the rule of law at all, you must care about it even when the effects of existing laws aren't of your taste.Otherwise you can can like radical leftists do and deny laws passed against their principle have validity, which is fine, but a
I strongly disagree with this. I think people who helped slaves escape from plantations were acting very appropriately, even though they were helping someone break the law and in some cases breaking the law themselves.
Some laws are definitely bad enough that civil disobedience is called for, and a few are so heinous that even violent opposition can be appropriate, even for those who generally believe in the rule of law.
That doesn't prove it is appropriate in this case, but surely you realize that there are cases where it is appropriate.
The context of a stop do change the legal standard, at least according to SCOTUS.In Terry vs Ohio there was no warrant, yet the stop and frisk was deemed legal.Now the sweep in the parking lot, that's interesting (and in-between raiding facilities where you have information illegals work, and picking a random person in the street) and i'd like to hear courts answering that, i d
Dude it’s not interesting or close or novel - you can’t use generalizations about groups to stop individual people. Read that TRO I linked. It lists several things that cannot be the basis of a stop, like being at Home Depot at 7 am while Hispanic.
Again the DOJ - AGREED - that the law is clear and you can’t do that. This is why their argument is - we’re not stopping people just cause they’re Hispanic at Home Depot at 7AM, we’re just rolling a bunch of trucks in there and then the agents are making individual, person specific determinations on who to stop. This is obviously bullshit since they have no idea who is there and are just snagging whoever they want, but that is the argument.
Why you think human thumb Tom Homan had to walk it back on CNN today and “clarify” - “I want to be clear because my words were taken out of context. Physical description cannot be the sole reason to detain and question somebody. That can't be the sole reason to raise reasonable suspicion. It's a myriad of factors."
Maybe the fancy law talking folks let him know that he was sabotaging the case by admitting they were doing what they already said in court that they weren’t?
Doesn't apply here.
The case clarified that police officers can briefly detain and pat down individuals based on reasonable suspicion that a crime has been, is being, or is about to be committed, and that the individual may be armed and dangerous.
There used to be a time when even the neurotics on the left thought we should be going after the businesses who employ illegals. What changed?
Something that isn't being talked about is the deterrence that now exists for these people to come to this country. The border invasion has been crushed. You don't hear about caravans of migrants headed this way. How many people died on the way here? Does anybody care about that? I do wonder how this has positively impacted the crime rate.
Do you think ICE is more lenient on those who have taken the time to learn the language? I'm thinking that if you don't know English that is going to be problematic if you are caught up in a raid.
Do you think ICE is more lenient on those who have taken the time to learn the language? I'm thinking that if you don't know English that is going to be problematic if you are caught up in a raid.
Convenient to pass an executive order to make your argument better.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/03/designating-english-as-the-official-language-of-the-united-states/
I wonder what BJ and PB think about Trump claiming the Epstein files are a democratic hoax like Russia^3 and that they were written by Obama after he campaigned on releasing them.
If the law says they should go away they should go away no matter what your opinion on their essentiality is, IF you want to claim you care about the rule of law at all, you must care about it even when the effects of existing laws aren't of your taste.Otherwise you can can like radical leftists do and deny laws passed against their principle have validity, which is fine, but a
Surprise, Surprise, expounding another set of childish beliefs without any nuance whatsoever.
I wonder what BJ and PB think about Trump claiming the Epstein files are a democratic hoax like Russia^3 and that they were written by Obama after he campaigned on releasing them.
Obviously no one would say that unless their name is prominently featured in the files. Obviously the dudes who still think the 2020 election was stolen will believe that Obama soiled the files.
The Epstein files being the most significant threat to Trump's popularity during his second term is just about the most American thing I have ever seen.
INB4 Trump says, "There is no client list, so I am pardoning Maxwell," and the Trump cucks tell us it's Obama's fault.
There used to be a time when even the neurotics on the left thought we should be going after the businesses who employ illegals. What changed?
A big recent change has been the incompetence of the Trump administration in coming up with an enforcement policy. The number of republicans saying immigration is a net good and want a pathway to citizenship for those presently in the country illrgally has sky rocketed since the election. Same problem we've see over the last 20+ years with republican administrations. The people in them are just not good at their jobs.
lol why do you guys keep engaging with at Lucion guy? I have him on ignore, but you guys keep quoting him.
Ignore trolls and idiots. Simple.
lol why do you guys keep engaging with at Lucion guy? I have him on ignore, but you guys keep quoting him.
Ignore trolls and idiots. Simple.
It took me way to long to learn this, I admit. I think it was the day that he told me that every leftist should be killed that did it for me.
It's self-important fascist trolls with egos the size of Jupiter that aren't for him, I'm pretty sure. And I agree with him.
