Israel/Palestine thread

lol at stealing a term shaped by Palestinian Edward Said. you just cant help but steal ****.

Again Trump claims you both broke the ceasefire and Iran deny it. I take it they're both wrong and you're right?Keep escalating and you'll be dealing with your reality for the next foreseeable future. And don't gimme that shite either I've constantly defended Israel and again both of you need to back tf off otherwise **** you both. Destroy each other and the rest of the world will keep keeping along, finaly free of your permanent Hatfield and McCoy style conflict. You're in possible danger of losing American support. You may want to dwell on that regardless of your huffing and puffing that you don't care how you look. You will care if you're left on your own regardless of your blustering otherwise.

For everyone here, this is a theoretical discussion about justice, rights, laws, etc.

For us, this is life and death. It's 4 residents of Beersheba who got up in the morning for a ceasefire, and ended up dead inside their home from an Iranian missile.

It's two missiles fired towards the my area, hours after the ceasefire, just because...

I'm willing to be the most hated people and country in the world, but alive, than to go back to being the victim that everyone feels sorry for and supports. this is not about escalating , its about Survival

yeah, he invented that phrase...not

did I say he invented it?

I will give almost everything for peace. but peaace is not letting Iran keep firing at us.

Not only that it would not bring peace, it will ensure the next big attack on Israel.

Give me the blueprint for peace, and you will have my full support.

But as long as you dont have one, please try to understand where we are coming from

anyway, you are as much an Oriental as I am a Native American. spare the indignation. and spare us your tears on some rockets flying your way after you guys murdered a bunch of Iranian civilians for fun and profit in an illegal war of conquest.

HEHE, you misunderstood my post completely, and the meaning of the phrase.

Sez you. Yet again it's claimed you both broke it. If neither of you are going to honour your agreement then why tf should I or the world care what happens to either of you?

If Israel violated the ceasefire then you are absolutely right. I am not aware of that. I am aware of the missiles at us. I also know that Trump ordered Israel to respond to the shooting at Beersheba, by this evening.

If you have other information that contradicts that, I accept it of course. I do not think Israel has the right to violate the ceasefire. On that we completely agree

its standard Israeli policy to not follow ceasefires. this is typical of Euro-colonists since they started expanding. as a USAian, we learned about treaties and ceasefires between the colonists and Native Americans and while the textbooks never took a critical stance towards the colonists and often elided over their transgressions, it was still clear who was always breaking the treaties.

treaties and ceasefires are just another tool for expansionism. the difference is that Iran has more ability to fight back than Lebanon (where Israel murders at least 1 person a day) and Gaza.

and after Trump and Bibi admitted to lying about many recent negotiations and using them to plan mass murder, I wouldnt take Trump's statements serious at all. good chance that it is all for show and part of a strategy to hurt Iran somehow. (like maybe Khomeini lets his guard down and gets killed like they did with Nasrallah)

I'm simply telling you what Trump claims and he seems particularly annoyed at Israel. Again you lose American support and you're screwed. Then you can claim you don't care how you look while going through permanent war without an American lifeline.
And neither I nor the rest of the world seems to know who's telling the truth or what information is true. And when that happens, then you all look like bad actors and in such a situation, with bad actors all around, then the world tends to run outa ****s to give. Even if you don't care how you look. Again you may want to dwell on that and take it into account.

It's not a language that helps you at all.

What's the strategy. That everyone will learn to behave cos otherwise Israel will punish them with near impunity? That's a cunning plan with the one small flaw.

lol its funny that he slipped this into his posts while calling others "Orientalist'

What is really LOL is that you clearly dont understand my post and the meaning of the oriental racist

It doesn't seem like good policy to anger and alienate Israel's biggest arms supplier (70%), using up bombs and missiles which he's then expected to replace. Per Reuters, he phoned Netanyahu and asked him to call off today's retaliatory strike, and Netanyahu said he couldn't but it would be scaled back to a single target. Trump then told newshounds that the planes had turned round, but we'll see.

I am grateful every day for the American support. I do not diminish it for a second.

But... we managed for 25 years without it, in much more difficult times. We will not base all our policies on what is good for America. If there is an existential threat to us, it is our duty to deal with it. And as long as there is an existential threat, I really do not care what people think of us.

I agree with the comment about the Middle Eastern language. We do strive to be better.

As for the strategy, we do not intend to punish everyone who misbehaves, but everyone who attacks and threatens us. We have no other choice.

I have no argument with anything you have written.

I have an argument with the idea that Israel can or should agree to return to the reality before 10/7, when a stranglehold is being built around us, when we are being shot at every day, and when we should exercise restraint. This almost led to the destruction of Israel, and in any case resulted in thousands of murders.

Blue let me ask you an honest question- Iran previously attacked you with drones before this current conflict. You say it's a matter of survival yet you showed restraint then and didn't retaliate. Nobody has been killed in this alleged ceasefire violation. Why not show restraint now and be the bigger man? What's so different here that you need to show you can't be threatened when you were threatened before and still didn't retaliate? Genuinely curious.

I try to answer every question honestly :-)

Just to be precise, Iran has already attacked with missiles, twice. I will address this later.

It is not true at all that we did not respond to the previous attacks, or we responded to them with moderation. We had already prepared the response then. I will explain things. If we had attacked Iran on 7.10, Hezbollah, Hamas, Iran, the Houthis and the militias would probably have destroyed us.

Nasrallah is actually a Chassid of the nations of the world, in his choice not to attack fully, but also not to remain neutral. He chose a low-intensity attack, and allowed us to eliminate most of Hamas' capabilities first.

After that, we moved on to deal with Hezbollah. In the process, the first attack came from Iran. At first they thought we were defending in a measured manner, but in reality we hit their radar systems, without being drawn into a direct war, as long as there is a confrontation with Hezbollah.

After the second attack, we hit their defense systems and then we actually broke through the axis for a direct attack.

If you want, I'll expand on the subject, but by and large, our enemies made every possible mistake that allowed us to build the attack step by step.

Anyone who thought this was a measured response simply did not understand the strategy. Only after we dismantled Hezbollah, and after we had already opened the axis to Iran, could we begin the direct attack

Israel cannot ever be the bigger man. It was created from genocide and knows nothing else.

And again, all of this is unfortunately for us. Iran's decision to develop nuclear weapons, thousands of ballistic missiles (their plan was to reach at least 10,000, to completely paralyze our systems), to arm at least five different organizations that endanger us, and to prepare a combined attack, obliged us to deal with them directly.

Only, unlike their plan, we were not forced to deal with the entire axis, but one after the other.

Both of you should have honoured the ceasefire the second you both agreed to it, not try bomb the living crap out of each other until the ceasefire kicked in. Again right now both of you look like extremely bad actors here and yeah I know you don't care how you look but that doesn't change the fact that both of you look like warmongering nutjobs at present and best of luck with that too.

Of course there's another choice. Especially when so much is seen as a threat and attacks can be made so easily.

When people claim there's no choice it's because its pretty much the only defense of the actions. It's almost never true.