Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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Link 1- disregarding the context as usual, so that's dismissed2 1933 before the Holocaust actually happened and enabled Jews to flee Nazi persecution, so that's dismissed too3 Resoundingly and derisively dismissed, as is any other source claiming "apartheid regime" or any of the other usual buzzwords that tankies like you love to hurl in Jews' facesAnything else, so I can laugh
speaking of apartheid. the EU just agreed it was apartheid. didnt stop the member countries from supporting the genocide obv.
Really? Cite verbatim where he claimed he wanted to/loved killing children or innocents, seeing as what you say is so true. Won't hold my breath.
lol
You see that part where I wrote, "at least, assuming one has the ability to read critically"? That's what I'm talking about. Very obviously, child-murderer Blue did not outright post "I LOVE KILLING CHILDREN". You got me, take a bow.
No. He was/is in the IDF, the IDF is a murderous entity which has killed and otherwise heaped many brutalities upon innocents (many of whom are children). Every single IDF member who was recently or currently is actively engaged in military action is at least implicitly a child murderer.
I don't expect you to follow me here, you have a... particular relationship with the English language. You're simultaneously failing to understand my words in two separate threads.
Link 1- disregarding the context as usual, so that's dismissed2 1933 before the Holocaust actually happened and enabled Jews to flee Nazi persecution, so that's dismissed too3 Resoundingly and derisively dismissed, as is any other source claiming "apartheid regime" or any of the other usual buzzwords that tankies like you love to hurl in Jews' facesAnything else, so I can laugh
Some more of that bad-faith argumentation in which you refuse to even begin to engage with any point contrary to what you believe.
This one has a bonus in which you pick a fight with Wikipedia 😆
3 Resoundingly and derisively dismissed, as is any other source claiming "apartheid regime" or any of the other usual buzzwords that tankies like you love to hurl in Jews' faces
Anything else, so I can laugh at you some more?
I bet this guy Tony Greenstein only uses these BUZZWORDS to throw stuff back in the face of Jewish people, as you infer. The guy, Greenstein, must just be highly antisemitic. Classically antisemitic family, the Greensteins.
speaking of apartheid. the EU just agreed it was apartheid. didnt stop the member countries from supporting the genocide obv.
I don't give a tuppeny **** what the EU said. That's supposed to make it true or something?
Some more of that bad-faith argumentation in which you refuse to even begin to engage with any point contrary to what you believe.
This one has a bonus in which you pick a fight with Wikipedia 😆
Wikepedia is full of shite and has been stanning for trial convicted killers and child molesters for years. Nor is it bad faith as I outlined my reasons for rejecting vic's absolutely bad faith linking.
I bet this guy Tony Greenstein only uses these BUZZWORDS to throw stuff back in the face of Jewish people, as you infer. The guy, Greenstein, must just be highly antisemitic. Classically antisemitic family, the Greensteins.
Ah, the old he's Jewish so can't be anti Semitic bollix, yeah? As in this bloke?
Labour activist Tony Greenstein has been expelled from the party over allegations of antisemitism.
The bloke who vic linked? You were saying something about bad faith?
Go on, reference Finkelstein next, who cheered your heroes Hamas on after Oct 07.
HuffPost UK understands the charges against him related to abusive online behaviour, including the use of the word “Zio”.
OH MY GOD NOT THAT! STRAIGHT TO THE HAGUE.
No, Labour in England has been co-opted by Zionism, and they and their lapdogs in the press will say whatever nonsense is needed to remove anti-Zionists and anti-interventionism people from their ranks. I mean, just look at how Corbyn was treated (although it looks like Labour voters now are very happy with the incredibly popular goofball Starmer in there!)
Reference Norm Finkelstein next? I'd be happy to, he's a well-regarded scholar on I/P. What, are you a big fan of his number one enemy Alan Dershowitz?
I don't just assume from my own feelings, I know current intel information on the subject, and its not even close.Your assumption that the threat to Israel has increased is based mainly on global public opinion against Israel. There are two things you are probably not addressing -A. Israel is in the headlines right now, so it's clear that opinions are more polarized. After the
None of that applies. I could be wrong but not for any of those reasons.
I agree there is hostoric opportunity. I don't see it as likely turning into a political process. Israel relying (and believing in) massive military advantage is a key part of the risk to israel.
Corporal vile: Go on, I challenge you to cite it
Wikipedia cited
Corporal vile: THATS HAMAS!
B. Public opinion has actually strengthened in favor of Israel, in the relevant places.
Hey dipshit, do you realize that this thing called "polling" exists, and that it completely and entirely refutes your extraordinarily idiotic and conclusively disproven assertion? I ignored the rest of your point B, as it's you going on about what governments are doing to try to win favor from the Israeli government and has nothing to do with your own chosen words PUBLIC OPINION.
Hey dipshit, do you realize that this thing called "polling" exists, and that it completely and entirely refutes your extraordinarily idiotic and conclusively disproven assertion? I ignored the rest of your point B, as it's you going on about what governments are doing to try to win favor from the Israeli government and has nothing to do with your own chosen words PUBLIC OPINI
this guy is like an obsessed ex-girlfriend that doesn't get it is over.
Wikepedia is full of shite and has been stanning for trial convicted killers and child molesters for years.
lol this'll be fun: which convicted killers is Wiki "stanning" for?
The actual source was this creep's own words (at least, assuming one has the ability to read critically), but more to the point, do you think that constantly lobbying charges of antisemitism DOES anything useful to any of us or is seen as remotely compelling? Especially after we continually criticize the IDF, Israel's foreign policy misadventures, oppression of Arabs domestica
I’m not lobbing antisemitism charges at random anti-zionists, I’m saying the source for calling him a baby killer is antisemitism, unless Jal goes around calling every single army baby killers because they kill people incidentally during the course of a war.
Will Jal call Hezbollah, Hamas, Saudi Arabia, Houthis, Egypt, IRGC all baby killers? And if so, when was the last time he did so?
I mean, the guy bragged about contributing to some very bloody massacres such as at Al Shifa. its not exactly a stretch.
OH MY GOD NOT THAT! STRAIGHT TO THE HAGUE.No, Labour in England has been co-opted by Zionism, and they and their lapdogs in the press will say whatever nonsense is needed to remove anti-Zionists and anti-interventionism people from their ranks. I mean, just look at how Corbyn was treated (although it looks like Labour voters now are very happy with the incredibly popular goof
I'm not interested in your [ustification for Greenstein's anti Semitism, or your "Je"WS cAn'T bE AntI SeMiTIc!!" canard.
Greenstein took a libel case after he was accused of being "a notorious anti Semite" and his case was dismissed by the court. Meaning it wasn't libel meaning he is indeed an anti Semite meaning I don't need to entertain him as a reliable source. At the very very least he can be seen as just a teensy weensy bit shall we say biased. Meaning again I don;t need to entertain his bullshit for so much as a nanosecond. Hope that clears things up for you.
Never bragged on anything regarding my service. Just brought facts from first eye.
You cant say one sentence without lying
lol doesnt matter if it was bragging or not. you were there and we know what happened there.
I know what happened in there. We found weapons, ammunition and Hamas strongholds.
We also found video evidence of Israeli captives being held there.
we all know
I mean, the guy bragged about contributing to some very bloody massacres such as at Al Shifa. its not exactly a stretch.
lol doesnt matter if it was bragging or not. you were there and we know what happened there.
“bragged about”
“doesnt matter if it was bragging or not”
well it does matter in showing that you’re a shameless liar.
I interpreted it as bragging. how is that lying? is there some objective measure to determine if someone is bragging? ofc not. learn what words mean. learn not to exist in complete bad faith at all times. oh wait, thats impossible for a Western slappy bc then they would collapse under the contradictions of what they support.
I interpreted it as bragging. how is that lying? is there some objective measure to determine if someone is bragging? ofc not. learn what words mean. learn not to exist in complete bad faith at all times. oh wait, thats impossible for a Western slappy bc then they would collapse under the contradictions of what they support.
when you attribute bragging about being a child killer and then continue to insist that’s what’s going on after being corrected I don’t have to do a bunch of work to show you’re lying. I can just infer it as the most reasonable explanation.
I don’t know what contradictions you’re referring to. Is there some proposition that I’m asserting and its negation that you can point to?
I specifically remember Blue saying he was involved in setting up no-go areas where anything that moved was killed. Check upstream.
when you attribute bragging about being a child killer and then continue to insist that’s what’s going on after being corrected I don’t have to do a bunch of work to show you’re lying. I can just infer it as the most reasonable explanation.
I don’t know what contradictions you’re referring to. Is there some proposition that I’m asserting and its negation that you can point to?
I did nothing of the sort. I wont call you a liar but I will question your reading ability once again.
I said that he bragged about being at the Al Shifa massacre and others. he subsequently said that he was not in fact bragging about it and I will take him at his word and revise my interpretation. thats bc I operate exclusively in good faith.
and in fact I have never called him personally a baby killer but I can understand why people may think that about him given his own [strike]admissions[/strike] (dont want to be accused of lying bc maybe they werent "admissions") words.
