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President Donald Trump

I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?

So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at

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28 April 2019 at 04:18 AM
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by chezlaw

This isn't a bad idea. The wealthier you are, the less your vote counts. I like it.

Ha Ha!!!

Good one.


by geezerchess

I can't imagine Karl would run into like-minded people in Moscow very often.

This is a very good point. The more a place inmplements (or has in the past implemented) the ideas he espouses, the less the people there are likely to like them. Of course, they won't be able to be open about it, for fear of the whole, you know, getting sent off to the labour camps and/or shot thing.


by geezerchess

How about weighing votes based on how much Income Tax one pays?

"He who pays the piper calls the tunes."

It's not surprising that you can't see why this idea is tarded.


by Land O Lakes

It's not surprising that you can't see why this idea is tarded.

Oh, I think it's a terrible idea.

But it's an idea motivated by folks who don't want ordinary people to be allowed to vote.


by Rococo

I can't imagine that you run into like-minded people in west-central Florida very often.

Indeed I do not. I moved here for family (who are older and moved from our cold-climate state because the cold exacerbates their arthritis). The family themselves help me out, as mom is kinda a soft-lib-socialist and the rest are apolitical.

I do kinda like the hurricanes, honestly, since I'm far enough off the coast that the worst thing that can happen to me is a temporary loss of power. It was pretty damn neat to go out on my patio (covered by screens) and watch 130 mph winds tear apart small trees and ****.

My family all comes from red states anyway, so it's nothing I'm not used to.

Thus ends Karl's Family Hour.


by geezerchess

I can't imagine Karl would run into like-minded people in Moscow very often.

I would hope not, as today's Russia is a capitalist hellscape which launched a brutal and stupid war on Ukraine. Huh, when you put it like that, it's conservatives who will feel at home in Russia!

Speaking of Ukraine, I actually live right next to Odessa. Just, Odessa FL.


by Karl_TheOG_Marx

I would hope not, as today's Russia is a capitalist hellscape which launched a brutal and stupid war on Ukraine. Huh, when you put it like that, it's conservatives who will feel at home in Russia!

Speaking of Ukraine, I actually live right next to Odessa. Just, Odessa FL.

Comrade Brosef, I was born in Moscow in 1982. Trust me when I tell you that the people there didn't like your ideas then, either.


by Inso0

I fully acknowledge that some people with prime waterfront property are going to be quite sad when the coastlines swallow up their vacation homes and the beach moves. I also acknowledge that some people running billion dollar agriculture empires are going to be sad when conditions change and a different part of the planet becomes the new ideal for their specific business.

You seem to be imagining that most low lying areas of the world are the moral equivalent of Palm Beach or are owned by wealthy corporations. That's a very U.S.-centric view. A lot of coastal areas in the world, as well as areas that are prone to drought induced by climate change, are heavily populated by people who are living at a barely subsistence level. So you probably should acknowledge that those people are going to be "quite sad" as well.

It also seems that you view climate change as a zero sum game for the human population--that is, some people will suffer, some will benefit, but the winners and losers more or less will balance each other out. I'm no expert on the topic, but I don't think that's the consensus view at all.

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by d2_e4

This is a very good point. The more a place inmplements (or has in the past implemented) the ideas he espouses, the less the people there are likely to like them. Of course, they won't be able to be open about it, for fear of the whole, you know, getting sent off to the labour camps and/or shot thing.

- free healthcare (as a human right)
- no wars of imperialism and/or resource conquest
- support of humanist social positions, like full rights for LGBTQ+ people, abortion rights, etc.

These are some of the main ideas for which I espouse. Seems like you may be strawmanning me a mite?


Could be zero sum if you view it over a period of time. Not as dramatic but a bit like it was bad for the dinosaurs but millions of years later it was great for us


by chezlaw

Could be zero sum if you view it over a period of time. Not as dramatic but a bit like it was bad for the dinosaurs but millions of years later it was great for us

Did you really think that was what I meant by zero sum?


So the CEO of Purism, who apparently lost the Trump phone contract, is claiming the Trump phone is made by Wingtech, and is a Revvl 7.


by d2_e4

Comrade Brosef, I was born in Moscow in 1982. Trust me when I tell you that the people there didn't like your ideas then, either.

Is that why you have so many ferociously held yet objectively incorrect ideas about socialism? You were a child who was born in Russia near the end of the Soviet Union? That doesn't count as an education on the relevant issues at play here, my man 😆


by Karl_TheOG_Marx

- free healthcare (as a human right)
- no wars of imperialism and/or resource conquest
- support of humanist social positions, like full rights for LGBTQ+ people, abortion rights, etc.

These are some of the main ideas for which I espouse. Seems like you may be strawmanning me a mite?

I just assumed it was going to be some bullshit about workers seizing the means of production and wealth redistribution to all possibly a centrally planned economy. Is it strawmanning you when it's literally your ****ing screen name?


by d2_e4

You're a ****ing idiot. I'll let others elaborate.

Perhaps.

Lucky for earth, Indonesia just turned on the global air conditioner and we're in for a few years of cooling:

Karl, that temperature streak is about to be broken. Great news!


by Karl_TheOG_Marx

Is that why you have so many ferociously held yet objectively incorrect ideas about socialism? You were a child who was born in Russia near the end of the Soviet Union? That doesn't count as an education on the relevant issues at play here, my man 😆

I mean I wasn't just born there, I lived there for the first 9 years of my life. I can remember things like the empty store shelves very well, and this was in ****ing Moscow, I can only imagine how bad it was out in the sticks.


by d2_e4

Comrade Brosef, I was born in Moscow in 1982. Trust me when I tell you that the people there didn't like your ideas then, either.

d2 and Karl,

You both should read Svetlana Alexievich's books. The books essentially are collections of oral histories from people who lived in the Soviet Union. She won the Nobel Prize for Literature in 2015. Her books are fascinating, and as you might imagine, they capture a variety of perspectives.


by Rococo

Did you really think that was what I meant by zero sum?

I thought it was a rather witty way of pointing out that it could be both zero sum and a horrific period to live through. Even big positives overall can include very painful change


If you're going to suffer 1982 again then I strongly recommend somewhere like London.


Nothing to see here. Sig heil!

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politic...

Kat Capossela, Lander’s press secretary, told NBC News in an email that “Brad was taken by masked agents and detained by ICE,” a reference to the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, after “escorting a defendant out of immigration court.”


That didn't last long

Donald Trump has abandoned his brief immigration and customs enforcement (Ice) reprieve for farm and hotel workers, ordering the agency’s raids in those sectors to resume after hardliners crushed a pause that lasted just four days.


by Inso0

Perhaps.Lucky for earth, Indonesia just turned on the global air conditioner and we're in for a few years of cooling:Karl, that temperature streak is about to be broken. Great news!

Volcanic eruptions happen every year. Are you sure this one isn't already priced in?


by Luciom

You can be the best 15y old to ever have existed with a mature brain and still don't get the vote while a demented 98y old does keep his vote in most countries.

The brain continues to develop till about age 30. There's a reason why motor insurance rates drop off after 25 (higher risk perception). A 15-year-old isn't going to have a 'mature brain'. 15-24-year-olds, in peak physical condition, made of rubber and magic, have a surprising death rate compared to younger children, because they're basically idiots.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PM...


by d2_e4

I just assumed it was going to be some bullshit about workers seizing the means of production and wealth redistribution to all possibly a centrally planned economy. Is it strawmanning you when it's literally your ****ing screen name?

For one thing, I don't think workers gaining control over the profits from their own labor is bullshit, nor is equitably redistributing wealth from those who hoard it to those who desperately need it. That stuff would be great! I ALSO understand we live in the real world with many powerful forces directly opposed to such things, so I'd settle for the incremental stuff mentioned above (i.e., stuff that directly improves the material conditions for the average citizen of Earth.)

For another, yes, crediting the shitty and inhumane parts of the Soviet Union to Karl Marx is indeed a strawman. Marx was a journalist and writer who died in 1883, 30+ years before the Bolsheviks came up, and he never once advocated for gulags and ****.

I don't think I've ever said one good word towards the Soviet Union, unless you include their achievements in the arts and sports. I think it was roughly as rotten of a place as the U.S.


Seems very likely Israel/US will soon be nuking Iran. Is there a betting market on this?


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