[extracted] New(?) 9-11 stuff
KSM got a plea deal. The guy who supposedly masterminded the 9/11 attacks is not getting the death penalty.
If you still
*and turn the transponders offWhat the **** is that supposed to show?*and navigate an expansive instrument panel you've never worked before after getting control of the plane with your adrenaline spikingExcept in extensive simulator training with an identical instrument panel.*and not be distracted by thoughts of your impending death
I've made some comments against your points above but a brief synopsis is as follows: you are a bullshit artist and a moron.
*and turn the transponders off*and navigate an expansive instrument panel you've never worked before after getting control of the plane with your adrenaline spiking*and not be distracted by thoughts of your impending death*and navigate through the sky to your destination because in your jihadist mind it's not enough to kill people you've got to get symbolic with it*and not be i
Holy Gish Gallop, Batman, what a lot of completely frivolous objections to the idea that someone could learn to fly a plane into a major landmark. Decues, just because your brain calcified in the mid-90s doesn't mean other people can't learn to do things.
Let's look at a few of these objections:
*and turn the transponders off
A well-financed team of terrorists couldn't learn how to do this?
*and navigate an expansive instrument panel you've never worked before after getting control of the plane with your adrenaline spiking
Adrenaline, the chemical that famously prevents people from operating aircraft.
*and not be distracted by thoughts of your impending death
"How could a WWII Kamikaze pilot have operated a plane without being distracted by thoughts of impending death?!?"
*and navigate through the sky to your destination because in your jihadist mind it's not enough to kill people you've got to get symbolic with it
Again, navigating a plane through the sky to a destination is thing international terrorists could learn to do!
lol Deuces, you believe in nano-thermite and massive conspiracies and drone-piloted commercial jets in 2001 but you're gobsmacked at the idea that a few Saudis couldn't learn basic piloting skills. You are a bullshit artist and a moron.
Maybe these guys don't realize you could learn to fly a commercial airplane from Microsoft flight simulator 2000
Holy Gish Gallop, Batman, what a lot of completely frivolous objections to the idea that someone could learn to fly a plane into a major landmark. Decues, just because your brain calcified in the mid-90s doesn't mean other people can't learn to do things.
Trolly do you think by putting vague labels on things you somehow fool people? We're talking about flying a huge airplane, that they never flew before that's not nimble into a façade that is not that much wider than itself at 550 mph. You try to gloss over that instead of dealing with it and that betrays your lack of belief in what you are saying. This is a large commercial jet going 550. A tiny amount of course correction is an over correction and you miss your mark. Not to mention, as we've gone over ITT and the previous, at a certain point in the trajectory, a correction was made which the best pilots would be lucky to make was made. There were articles in mainstream outlets about this.
Many pilots have said they could only hit the towers in simulators when they reduced the speed greatly. There is a group called Pilots for 9/11 Truth you can check out.
"How could a WWII Kamikaze pilot have operated a plane without being distracted by thoughts of impending death?!?"
ok there is a parallel there. What do you think the rate of success was with Kamikaze attacks? They were flying slower and more maneuverable planes. I don't know the rate of success, but I've probably seen the same footage you have and I saw a lot of planes go for the carrier or frigate and hit the water. You should look up that rate. I'm thinking it's going to be lower than what you think.
lol Deuces, you believe in nano-thermite and massive conspiracies and drone-piloted commercial jets in 2001 but you're gobsmacked at the idea that a few Saudis couldn't learn basic piloting skills. You are a bullshit artist and a moron.
The technology for drone piloted jets was well established in 2001 we can talk about that in as much detail as you want. Again, you are equating "learn basic piloting skills" to pulling off maneuvers that pilots with thousands of hours on that specific type of aircraft cannot do in simulators. It's take better than basic piloting skills to do what they allegedly did.
Your problem Trolly is you are worker bee. You don't hire people or manage people. You don't manage projects. You don't even consider the effects of stress on people or motivation or anything people related. You're clearly someone who just goes into a job and does exactly what they are told to do and has no autonomy whatsoever. You're analysis of this terrorist piloting scenario is so surface and empty headed I just can't believe that you're ever done anything more than be a tool in your life you just have no sense of people whatsoever.
Google says 18.6 % of kamikaze pilots achieved a "hit or damaging near miss".
Be honest, Trolly. You put the over/under on that at about 97%.
Google says 18.6 % of kamikaze pilots achieved a "hit or damaging near miss".
Be honest, Trolly. You put the over/under on that at about 97%.
So, even with battleships and defending aircraft actively trying to shoot kamikazes down, they still got there ~20% of the time with far less reliable aircraft.
Congrats! You've accidentally debunked your own shitty argument!
Your problem Trolly is you are worker bee. You don't hire people or manage people. You don't manage projects. You don't even consider the effects of stress on people or motivation or anything people related. You're clearly someone who just goes into a job and does exactly what they are told to do and has no autonomy whatsoever.
Utterly wrong and completely ad homenim to boot. lol Deuces now and forever.
Guys, Dunces has blown the case wide open, it's impossible for someone to fly a plane then fly a different plane because of muscle memory. I mean, that would almost be as difficult as driving a car where reverse is next to 1st and then trying to drive a car where reverse is next to 5th. Impossibru.
Guys, Dunces has blown the case wide open, it's impossible for someone to fly a plane then fly a different plane because of muscle memory. I mean, that would almost be as difficult as driving a car where reverse is next to 1st and then trying to drive a car where reverse is next to 5th. Impossibru.
No, you see it's the adrenaline. No one can perform challenging physical tasks like turning off a transponder with adrenaline in their system, it's impossible.
The technology for drone piloted jets was well established in 2001 we can talk about that in as much detail as you want. Again, you are equating "learn basic piloting skills" to pulling off maneuvers that pilots with thousands of hours on that specific type of aircraft cannot do in simulators. It's take better than basic piloting skills to do what they allegedly did.Your proble
These weren't starbucks employees. They were trained for a suicide mission. They signed up to kill themselves and as many others as possible. That isn't new.
Did a plane crash in Shanksville? Was it a completely overhauled jetliner retrofitted for this occasion with no trace of evidence but somehow either crashed accidently in a field or purposefully crashed into a field to stoke fear?
Do you honestly think the US and its military is going to care enough to torpedo some super advanced, classified, wartime piece of machinery into a ditch for what again?
Trolly do you think by putting vague labels on things you somehow fool people? We're talking about flying a huge airplane, that they never flew before that's not nimble into a façade that is not that much wider than itself at 550 mph. You try to gloss over that instead of dealing with it and that betrays your lack of belief in what you are saying. This is a large commercial je
Honest question- Trolly made a point earlier and it does have merit in fairness- why do you attach credence to pretty arcane theories, yet seem very sceptical of people being able to fly planes into two huge buildings?
So here's a useful forum thread
https://aviation.stackexchange.com/quest...
How did novice pilots hit the Twin Towers?
From an operational standpoint, crashing an airplane into a building does not require a whole lot of skill. It probably does take a lot of determination and resolve, knowing you’re about to die.
The skills required to maneuver, an aircraft and hit a target the size of a skyscraper. I would argue that 90% of all private pilots with no experience in large jets, could, in a Level D full motion, simulator, deliberately pilot the jet into such a building on the first try. As I stated in the comments, it’s simply getting the target on the nose of the airplane and holding there such that it’s not translating in your field of view. Maintaining altitude would not be that difficult of a chore for these guys either.
And if you missed the target, you can simply circle back and try it again!
When I was a young child, a neighborhood friend and I used to mess around on an old copy of Microsoft Flight Simulator, where we would intentionally crash the airplane into the Sears Tower after departing Meigs field in Chicago. This was in 1984, mind you, when the American public would have thought the events of 9–11 sounded like the plot to a bad Jerry Bruckheimer movie. At least, in the realm of that simulation, intentionally colliding a airplane into a building is not a difficult task, even for someone who had no formal flight training!
So, even with battleships and defending aircraft actively trying to shoot kamikazes down, they still got there ~20% of the time with far less reliable aircraft.
Congrats! You've accidentally debunked your own shitty argument!
It's one of the arguments made by experts on the matter: it's hard to maneuver large commercial jets at maximum speeds into narrow targets. Trained pilots can't do it in simulators. This is just going to be something that reasonable people accept as facts and those who are willing to deny the truth of a matter may deny.
Less reliable aircraft? Seriously? It's flying a mission I don't think the chance of it puttering out mid dive is a factor here, Trolly. You are really reaching and you are embarrassing yourself.
Yeah I thought I might touch a nerve there. Your thoughts on this matter are those of someone who willfully refuses to include any detail lower than the most superficial model of the event. I'm telling you the reasons why it is difficult to hit a narrow target at high speeds in those jets in those circumstances. You're telling me it's not hard to fly a plane into something.
Deuces: Not anyone can hop into a NASCAR and drive like a pro first time out.
Trolly: So people can't drive a car in a circle? ok dummy.
That's the level of argument you are bringing here. It is in no way challenging. You're like a fly stuck on flypaper at this point.
It's one of the arguments made by experts on the matter: it's hard to maneuver large commercial jets at maximum speeds into narrow targets. Trained pilots can't do it in simulators.
It's not at all hard to find yootoobes of literal children doing this in Microsoft Flight Simulator. lol Deuces, now and always.
Guys, Dunces has blown the case wide open, it's impossible for someone to fly a plane then fly a different plane because of muscle memory. I mean, that would almost be as difficult as driving a car where reverse is next to 1st and then trying to drive a car where reverse is next to 5th. Impossibru.
It is a known phenomenon that pilots going from flying small prop planes to commercial jets have a pronounced tendency to over correct because of being used to the responsiveness of the far more maneuverable aircraft. Pilots in simulators trying to recreate the towers hit have broken the tolerances of the planes and tore them apart mid air. Those type of jets aren't meant to do stunts and to maneuver at max speeds into narrow targets.
I don't know. I like Judy Wood's theory out of all of them.
It is a known phenomenon that pilots going from flying small prop planes to commercial jets have a pronounced tendency to over correct because of being used to the responsiveness of the far more maneuverable aircraft. Pilots in simulators trying to recreate the towers hit have broken the tolerances of the planes and tore them apart mid air. Those type of jets aren't meant to do
My brother in christ, the world trade center was wider than your average commercial runway
It is a known phenomenon that pilots going from flying small prop planes to commercial jets have a pronounced tendency to over correct because of being used to the responsiveness of the far more maneuverable aircraft. Pilots in simulators trying to recreate the towers hit have broken the tolerances of the planes and tore them apart mid air. Those type of jets aren't meant to do
This is likely true but extraordinarily irrelevant with what we are working with here.
I honestly don't know if you're arguing in good faith and I understand that you are anti west, which is fine, and maybe you are just pushing the narrative, but if you are in good faith "just asking questions" what happened in Shanksville? Because some of this stuff requires way too much imagination for someone of your stature to believe in.
ROFL Judy Wood. No joke, she is the space laser lady. She literally thinks the towers were destroyed by "directed energy weapons."
Of course BJ is all over that.
Haven't you heard of it? It's pretty well known.
She wrote a book explaining it. I would suggest you read that rather than me trying to explain it to you. It's an amazingly detailed body of work.
Haven't you heard of it? It's pretty well known.
She wrote a book explaining it. I would suggest you read that rather than me trying to explain it to you. It's an amazingly detailed body of work.
Are you really that embarrassed to tell us what her theory is? Is it space lasers?
The skills required to maneuver, an aircraft and hit a target the size of a skyscraper. I would argue that 90% of all private pilots with no experience in large jets, could, in a Level D full motion, simulator, deliberately pilot the jet into such a building on the first try. As I stated in the comments, it’s simply getting the target on the nose of the airplane and holding there such that it’s not translating in your field of view. Maintaining altitude would not be that difficult of a chore for these guys either.
Emphasis mine. I can give you quotes of experienced pilots citing actual observations who say that it is extremely difficult to recreate the hits at the speeds observed, that experienced pilots can't do it in multiple attempts. This guy is just speculating. Why would you disregard actual observations in favor of speculation?
