President Donald Trump

Maybe but one thing is for sure, much harder to change people views about reality when you can’t even confronted directly with facts the person sustaining inflation was still a problem shrug.
It surely didn’t help her to not have more debates as the results shows imo

Another debate and people would suddenly think, "Hey, I now think Trump doesn't know what he is talking and lies a lot?"

Focusing on a lack of more debates as the reason she lost seems like picking out a random reason. I think she was always going to lose when the public believed she was part of the administration responsible for inflation.

"black men don't care much for black women, and certainly don't want them in any positions of power."

The above was the portion you fixed. If what you wrote is true, it required staggering levels of incompetence and buffoonery among anyone with power in the Democratic party to allow a candidate to be installed as the nominee when black men won't vote for a black women. And, yet, Michelle Obama (a black woman) polls better than just about any candidate the Dems could even hope for.

Of course there’s an intersection between some organised drug dealers and violent crime wtf are you talking about?

And on top of that lunacy you want to kill everyone who’s assaulted someone?

There appears to be no societal problem that cannot be solved by killing lots of people, in la la Luciomland.

Oh yes, you were only one broadcasted bout of competitive immigrant bashing away from victory. So close!

Well seeing how close it was in the popular votes and some key states with a differentials between 1-2% , I think it’s not science fiction to believe some more debates could have moved the needle.
I mean it certainly did for Biden ….

But I won’t fight over it shrug .
I might be wrong but I dont believe debates are irrelevant either so….

If this your way of saying the Trump economy is great?

this one? no it's going to be a blood bath, deficit and no growth at least now.

Fact is it started horribly with Biden and it's going to be horrible now, same as it went decently with Obama and then went decently with Trump 15-19.

You know that, 6% deficit at close to full unemployment screams vengeance, it's absurd, obscene, never justified, completly against all macroeconomic theory, totally ******ed, psychotic.

Btw the usual caveat applies: it's not trump, it wasn't biden, it wasn't trump in his first term, and it wasn't obama: it's always congress doing the deficits . I go with the "obama economy, biden economy, trump economy" expressions because that's how people talk but all pretenses that the president controls the deficit are false.

Ok. I wasn't sure if you were trying to imply that this economy is rocking under Trump or if you didn't understand how comparisons work. Thanks for clarifying it's the latter.

This would be a great rebuttal if anyone was actually arguing that Victor's posting on 2+2 was worse than people being killed.

President Trump signs an executive order cutting off taxpayer funding for NPR and PBS.

YES!!!

He is and will be whatever the "conservative" media and social media eco-system makes him out to be. This will be the case for any future democratic candidates as well. They will all be Schrödinger's politicians: To progressives they'll be conservative, to the conservatives they will be radicals, to the left they will be neo-conservatives, to the right they will be Marxists. This system will have to collapse on its own for anything to change.

I think the last pages of debate illuminates how a lot of people are living in the past when it comes to contemporary American elections.

One of the most influential topics in the election was a lie about immigrants eating cats and dogs that went viral. The conservative vice-presidential candidate admitted to furthering the lie to generate attention, the conservative presidential candidate lied about in debate... and politically it was still a successful tactic.

Anyone who claims they hold the answer to how Trump could have been handily defeated should be asked how they would have solved the above conundrum. My guess is that in pretty much no case will the answer be very persuasive.

Part of the problem is making it all about winning the current election. What matters in good politcs is a serious platform to fight on that can win and then implement. That is not about always winning the next election, it is not short term and making it 'what matters is winning' is a massive part of the problem

A lot of the rest, as have suffered from hugely last night in the UK is the progressive/left side chosing to fight on the loony/far right battle grounds. That plus the personal attacks while running them off from the mainstream is a total catastophe for us.

Platform and policy is largely irrelevant when you can just make **** up. Trump has an army of people going to bat for him, no matter how stupid it is. There are plenty of them on this forum.

People are debating this issue as if they are somehow up against traditional politics and a traditional politician.

I've decided the thing that gives me the worst general vibes about Trump is his insistence on signing things with a giant marker instead of a pen like a normal human being.

Being obnoxious on the internet is a personality flaw, sure, but it also has alternative uses and there are typically larger stakes involved. Communication reaches far and wide and words mold minds.

The use of a fat marker to sign orders has no stakes. The document gets put on a shelf somewhere. The paper doesn't care that it's been defiled because it has no feelings. Trump just does it because his brain is broken.

The sharpie is mightier than the sword.

Thanks for denying that how much real per capita gdp grows isn't the only variable to check how the economy is doing, when there are massive differences in government deficit.

I know your side lives in a denial of that element lately, i really hope democrats go back to their senses because they were often very reasonable for those topics, as well as actual conservative republicans.

I hope you agree the complete dismissal of the danger of running large deficits by both sides currently, when the economy isn't doing horribly, is one of the biggest dangers to american society these days.

Yeah, and what side is my side?

I’m completely open to this being the case. I don’t disagree.

I’m just trying to disambiguate my usage of the term radical leftist from the way it is used by insane conservatives who call Obama both “deporter in chief” and “communist nazi”

Hopefully that half a billion will go to Musk. You know, because $15 billion isn't enough. We should also increase federal grants to churches because that grift is worth far more than just a couple of billion a year.

Fwiw; I agree with your original post as well. Tim Walz is pretty much exactly the type of politician a lot of Americans claim to be looking for.

Yeah, because what America really needs is less education. Everyone is just way too educated right now.

God, you MAGA people are ignorant scum. It's like you do your level best to be the shittiest people possible.

I wouldn't be that harsh.

If he increased the funding in question, they would cheer for that as well.

the "deficits don't matter" side, which has bipartisan elements these days in the USA