President Donald Trump

President Donald Trump

I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?

So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at

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28 April 2019 at 04:18 AM
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by Karl_TheOG_Marx

What the **** is the point of you?The question of Brian Kohberger's innocence or guilt has zero to do with anything that anybody's telling you. The person you're responding to is Canadian; they quite possibly have zero idea who this American spree killer guy is. If he does, I doubt extremely strongly that he thinks Kohberger is innocent, but regardless, his point was that the

You must be a great poker player !
You just red my soul 😀
Thumbs up .


Damn strawmanning “regardless of political banner we are on the same side for the nation we live in” into “how dare you support American hegemony and wanton or flagrant swinging of its nationalist ideologies onto others!” Was an acrobatic flourish nobody here thought was possible to pull off or predict , mainly for how ****ing stupid an attempt at asserting it is.


by coordi

Being American meant being a globalist about 3 months ago so you can miss me with that nonsense

"Globalism" is a euphemism for America putting workers in foreign countries with authoritarian regimes into long hours subsistence level jobs in factories with few if any rights, just to produce their **** for them.


by coordi

Maybe focus on the next step and don't pontificate about some fantastical utopia

Next steps are always crucial but so is keeping an eye on the end game you want, or how can you plan the next steps?


by Karl_TheOG_Marx

but I very much want to see the dissolution of all nations. **** nations. Team humanity.

I agree with this much. Nationalism, like any other tribalism division, does not necessarily serve the many as it does the the smaller many of which are bound by that nations designation - boundaries largely arbitrary in an age when information travels at the speed of light. Preservation of Cultural history / social mores would be bewilderingly difficult i imagine.

That said, the arrival at such globally would require bad actors in positions of power to give up power; which is a fantasy.


by jalfrezi

"Globalism" is a euphemism for America putting workers in foreign countries with authoritarian regimes into long hours subsistence level jobs in factories with few if any rights, just to produce their **** for them.

Come on …
They wouldn’t be better without a job either.
Their lives got better .
Globalism was about giving an idea about capitalism was the best system and those adopting it would see the benefit of it and would thereafter being more free and embrace more western values .
Since capitalism without freedom isn’t working much .
Obviously it was an utopia and failed miserably in country like China and others but it worked in other places too.
But still they are in a better position then before .


by Karl_TheOG_Marx

I'm gonna continue to engage in politics to the full extent of my powers, which is to destroy moronic arguments from randos on the internet

That's merely recreational.

57 British Boys...

Bit of an old-fashioned reactionary xenophobic American nationalist, aren't you?

no

In fact very much yes. You're just not smart enough to see it, or anything much else, which is why you're always impotently screaming at other posters to kill themselves.


by jalfrezi

"Globalism" is a euphemism for America putting workers in foreign countries with authoritarian regimes into long hours subsistence level jobs in factories with few if any rights, just to produce their **** for them.

Also for US interactions post WWIi with Germany, Japan and South Korea. Anti globalists see the US as a big victim in these relationships.



Damn he had MS13 tatooed on his hand the whole time in goddam Arial!! Went in to the shop and was like - later for them Serif fonts


by d2_e4

Pretty much exactly what happened around 1942, except shooting ended up being too expensive too, all that ammo.

Yeah that is true. I wonder how much Zyklon B goes for these days.


by bb_love

I agree with this much. Nationalism, like any other tribalism division, does not necessarily serve the many as it does the the smaller many of which are bound by that nations designation - boundaries largely arbitrary in an age when information travels at the speed of light. Preservation of Cultural history / social mores would be bewilderingly difficult i imagine. That said, t

boundaries aren't arbitrary even if information goes fast, that's a non sequitur.

nationalism today is about club membership with benefits. why would you give up a valuable club membership or make it free if it comes with benefits?? why dilute the benefits with new members that don't carry their own weight? what has info speed to do with giving free access to infrastructure you and your ancestors paid to build? to a welfare structure you created for club members?


by jalfrezi

"Globalism" is a euphemism for America putting workers in foreign countries with authoritarian regimes into long hours subsistence level jobs in factories with few if any rights, just to produce their **** for them.

imagine being so ideologically warped as to think life for Chinese and vietnamite people would be better as subsistence farmers under authoritarian regimes than as manufacturer worker (and nowadays office workers more and more) with real wages growing every year.

how completely compromised do you need to be to even believe that they would be better off as land slaves than in their current predicament?


by weeeez

There are countless cases of people helping random people, helping their neighbors etc...
So it's the norm.
Countless cases of rape= the norm
We can go on and on.

yes it's the norm both to have strong tribalist pro cooperation pulsions with the ingroup and ferocious hyper violent tribalist genocidal pulsions with the outgroup.

both are normal and biologically determined, and denying either is denying our human nature.


by mongidig

This guy is a gang member. He physically abused his wife. The father of this guys step son fears for the safety of his son. Is this just a "We hate Trump" thing? The guy was in this country illegally. What am I missing here? This coddling up to terrorists, criminals and gang members by liberals just to score political points is disturbing.

You are missing that it is about having a functioning democracy without all power given to one man.

It has NOTHING to do with how good or bad this guy is or what he has done.

It is about these things, each increasing in importance-

1) the guy was admittedly sent by mistake, showing the incompetence and arbitrary nature of this "system" of increasing deportations.

2(a) the guy was not found guilty of any crimes committed in the US, buy any judge or jury, resulting in the lack of due process which is supposed to be guaranteed here.

2(b) Trump has expressed the desire to do the same thing even to US born citizens, including myself, and probably yourself.

3) the Supreme Court has ordered the administration to do something, something which wouldn't be difficult to do, and it has been refused.

Admittedly, the wording isn't particularly specific (as has been correctly pointed out several times by Luciom), but that just means that it would be very easy for the administration to say they have complied, and/or to fake compliance.

And some members of the administration have basically done the lying / bad faith explanation of claiming to have complied.

But Trump himself, and the higher ranking members of his cabinet, have specifically said they simply refuse to comply with the order. AFAIK, this is something no president has previously done. (I haven't extensively researched that, but surely it would have been mentioned here or in the media if this were not unprecedented).

IMO, and that of quite a few pundits, this makes it a constitutional crisis.
If Trump is not somehow either made to comply or removed from office, there will be precedence set that the executive branch doesn't have to face any limits of its power imposed by the judicial branch.

When combined with last year's terrible SC ruling about presidential immunity, this effectively means there would be no limits to what a president can do, and even doing the most horrendous things imaginable would be considered completely legal and acceptable.

The combination results in the equivalent of the German government's Enabling Act of 1933, which gave Hitler and his inner circle compete control of the government, no longer shared with the legislature or the courts, as had been the case under the previously (imperfect, but at least nominally) democratic government of the Weimar Republic.

I'll leave to the imagination the possibilities of things that could possibly happen in the US after the president has seized absolute power.


by mongidig

Now that is scary assuming it's real.

I agree, it is scary that a government website can peddle such unadulterated, unsubstantiated drivel wrapped up in dumb-as-a-rock tabloid sensationalism.


by Gorgonian

Supreme Court temporarily pauses deportations under Alien Enemies ActWashington, DC CNN — The Supreme Court early Saturday morning paused the deportation of immigrants potentially subject to the Alien Enemies Act, freezing action in a fast-developing case involving a group of immigrants in Texas who say the Trump administration was working to remove them.The court’

Feels like things are about to get real


by mongidig

Now that is scary assuming it's real.

It is real, and other government websites which previously contained information about covid now show the same thing.

Wake up, people!


by Luciom

yes it's the norm both to have strong tribalist pro cooperation pulsions with the ingroup and ferocious hyper violent tribalist genocidal pulsions with the outgroup.

both are normal and biologically determined, and denying either is denying our human nature.

Strange .
I thought an intelligent human being was those that was able to bypass their emotion, hormonal behaviour and use reasoning and morality that pass to a higher form of life .
Instead of being slaves of those basics instincts like animals …

Guess I was wrong.


by Luciom

yes it's the norm both to have strong tribalist pro cooperation pulsions with the ingroup and ferocious hyper violent tribalist genocidal pulsions with the outgroup.

both are normal and biologically determined, and denying either is denying our human nature.

All this is correct, but elsewhere you seem to fall into the naturalistic fallacy, implying this means it is a moral system and should be continued.

IMO, being a moral person means fighting against your natural instincts ("pulsions" in your terminology).

While I don't believe in any kind of spiritually, I do believe that humans possessing some level of intelligence and self-control can manage to act at odds of the basic instincts which led to all those genocides that happened in the past.


by diebitter

Feels like things are about to get real

It's about ****ing time!


by chillrob

Check out what you find when you go to the official government Covid website to find out current info about vaccines, treatment for long Covid, etc.

Haha. That's awesome.

The only thing missing is the apologies for pushing the fake vaccine.


by Montrealcorp

Come on …They wouldn’t be better without a job either. Their lives got better .Globalism was about giving an idea about capitalism was the best system and those adopting it would see the benefit of it and would thereafter being more free and embrace more western values .Since capitalism without freedom isn’t working much .Obviously it was an utopia and failed

I don't think you can say that so definitively as it will vary from company to company and country to country, but the basic argument you're making isn't dissimilar to the one that Dunyain is making about how imperialism was a net good for the colonies and therefore A GOOD THING.


by Luciom

imagine being so ideologically warped as to think life for Chinese and vietnamite people would be better as subsistence farmers under authoritarian regimes than as manufacturer worker (and nowadays office workers more and more) with real wages growing every year.how completely compromised do you need to be to even believe that they would be better off as land slaves than in the

Imagine being such a lying piece of crap that you pretend someone is taking a position they aren't taking.


by jalfrezi

I don't think you can say that so definitively as it will vary from company to company and country to country, but the basic argument you're making isn't dissimilar to the one that Dunyain is making about how imperialism was a net good for the colonies and therefore A GOOD THING.

It’s true imperialism and capitalism have similarities .
But I believe corporations main object is to make money while countries draped under the imperialist cloth may have more nefarious goals.

Jobs are not perceived negatively usually.
On the contrary .
Even when it’s being brought by foreign corporations.


by chillrob

You are missing that it is about having a functioning democracy without all power given to one man.It has NOTHING to do with how good or bad this guy is or what he has done.It is about these things, each increasing in importance-1) the guy was admittedly sent by mistake, showing the incompetence and arbitrary nature of this "system" of increasing deportations.2(a) the guy was n

There is currently an order to stop deportation under the AEA (the ******ed law that congress should abolish or at the very least amend to only allow it's application during a war), by SCOTUS.

Afaik the trump admin is complying with that.

You are making a big fuss of a purported lack of compliance about an un-executable order regarding a foreign country holding an alien. What exactly should the trump admin to show compliance? is that even absolutely crystal clear? if not, how can you claim lack of compliance?

Btw the guy was an illegal and the only reason he hadn't been deported before was a 2019 court order of "withholding of removal". But that didn't apply to El Salvador prisons, it only applied to the previous attempt to deport him generically in El Salvador where the judge thought he risked his life (btw that's not what the law proscribes, he needs to risk for discrimination purposes not generic risk alone).

But gangs aren't operative in El Salvador prisons so how can that withholding apply?

I mean to do you realize that the guy could be sent back to the USA then get deported again yes? and that's actually basically the only possible outcome if the law is followed? he has no legal right to stay in the USA

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