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12 October 2020 at 08:13 AM
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I have absolutely no idea how accurate/reliable this poll is.

Republicans’ outlook on the direction of the country has soured dramatically, according to a new AP-NORC poll that was conducted shortly after last week’s assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk.

The share of Republicans who see the country headed in the right direction has fallen sharply in recent months, according to the September survey by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research. Today, only about half in the GOP see the nation on the right course, down from 70% in June.


not fascism coming our way, no, not at all

“I love watching communists get body slammed by ICE,” MAGA darling Laura Loomer posted.

“Kat Abughazaleh (D) just fcked around with ICE and found out,” added the End Wokeness X account.


by biggerboat

not fascism coming our way, no, not at all

any attempt to in any way impede the work of law enforcement is a serious crime not a protest. and when done in organized ways it can very well be terrorism.

you defend actions that violate basic norms of conducts of people in a liberal democracy.

you are the enemy of basic democratic rules.

You can never , ever act to attempt to disrupt law enforcement operations, even planning to do so is a crime.


by chillrob

Lololol. Not the Republican who shut everything down, wrecked the economy, and sent out free money to kick inflation up, after it had been basically solved.

trump didn't shut down anything domestically because that's not a Power the president has. same for Biden ofc.

it was all done at the state and local levels.


by Luciom

trump didn't shut down anything domestically because that's not a Power the president has. same for Biden ofc.

it was all done at the state and local levels.

You think what the president says means nothing? When we're seeing what it does this week?

He asked everyone to shut down everything. I saw it on TV man. You must have been walking around Italy coughing in the faces of old ladies to try to rid the country of useless eaters.


by chillrob

You think what the president says means nothing? When we're seeing what it does this week?

He asked everyone to shut down everything. I saw it on TV man. You must have been walking around Italy coughing in the faces of old ladies to try to rid the country of useless eaters.

unless there are specific threats or incitement yes . a president can talk and it doesn't matter. that is especially true for a vomiter of words like Trump.

which is why when Biden said "social media companies kill people" (in reference to them allowing non leftists to have opinions on vaccines, masks and so on) that still wasn't a violation of the 1a


by Luciom

unless there are specific threats or incitement yes . a president can talk and it doesn't matter. that is especially true for a vomiter of words like Trump.

which is why when Biden said "social media companies kill people" (in reference to them allowing non leftists to have opinions on vaccines, masks and so on) that still wasn't a violation of the 1a

If Biden had said on TV "Facebook should take down those posters", that would have been a fair comparison, and it would have been a violation of free speech.

If Trump went on TV now and said "everyone who loves their country should go out and murder a black person, today", do you think there would be nothing wrong with that? It's just free speech, he didn't threaten anyone or put it into law.


by chillrob

If Biden had said on TV "Facebook should take down those posters", that would have been a fair comparison, and it would have been a violation of free speech.If Trump went on TV now and said "everyone who loves their country should go out and murder a black person, today", do you think there would be nothing wrong with that? It's just free speech, he didn't threaten anyone or p

instead Biden sent the FBI to "suggest" companies to take down that content and ... it was considered legal by SCOTUS to do so.

your trump example would be incitement which is listed as the main exception of 1a rights


by Luciom

any attempt to in any way impede the work of law enforcement is a serious crime not a protest. and when done in organized ways it can very well be terrorism.you defend actions that violate basic norms of conducts of people in a liberal democracy.you are the enemy of basic democratic rules.

Unless the law enforcement operations are criminal to begin with ?
Isn’t that the principle of the second amendment?

You think freedom always been attain without fighting for it ?
Always been given ?


Oh geez, someone quoted him.

Calling ice law enforcement is a huge stretch. They are randomly rounding up brown people. Not to mention they hide behind masks.

And the protesters were sitting down, not preventing ice from doing anything.


by Luciom

instead Biden sent the FBI to "suggest" companies to take down that content and ... it was considered legal by SCOTUS to do so.

your trump example would be incitement which is listed as the main exception of 1a rights

The Trump white house also requested content be taken down and his FBI had a direct line to facebook which was somehow blamed on democrats.


by checkraisdraw

The Trump white house also requested content be taken down and his FBI had a direct line to facebook which was somehow blamed on democrats.

which content? law enforcement had to keep a connection to tell internet sites to remove actually illegal content and that happened since forever (think terrorist training videos and youtube).

You really don't want to have to wait until you get a warrant/judicial order to take down that stuff and that's something that is very reasonably dealt with law enforcement interacting with private companies.

Afaik only Biden enlarged that to other stuff which wasn't illegal, just disliked by the admin.

Now if the trump admin sent the FBI to take down content which wasn't blatantly illegal, link it i had no idea


Court filings reveal the man who attempted to assassinate Justice Brett Kavanaugh now identifies as a transgender woman.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/exclusive...


by Luciom

instead Biden sent the FBI to "suggest" companies to take down that content and ... it was considered legal by SCOTUS to do so.

your trump example would be incitement which is listed as the main exception of 1a rights

Luckily for Trump, he's immune.


by Luciom

which content? law enforcement had to keep a connection to tell internet sites to remove actually illegal content and that happened since forever (think terrorist training videos and youtube). You really don't want to have to wait until you get a warrant/judicial order to take down that stuff and that's something that is very reasonably dealt with law enforcement interacting wi

The FBI has been taking down content which wasn't blatantly illegal for at least years. Everyone here should know that.


by chillrob

The FBI has been taking down content which wasn't blatantly illegal for at least years. Everyone here should know that.

some examples pre Biden?


by Luciom

some examples pre Biden?

Foreign gambling sites, foreign banking entities, foreign music downloading sites. Foreign sites which include nothing other than text and torrent files.


by chillrob

Foreign gambling sites, foreign banking entities, foreign music downloading sites. Foreign sites which include nothing other than text and torrent files.

you are listing illegal stuff. That you disagree with that stuff being illegal is... another thing


by Luciom

you are listing illegal stuff. That you disagree with that stuff being illegal is... another thing

What law do you think PayPal broke?

Do you think it is right for the US to arrest people for things they did in their home countries which are legal there?

I remember being amazed that Canada didn't raise more of a stink when their citizens were arrested while changing planes in the US.

This would be exactly the same as what was done then.

Some Saudi citizen goes to a casino owned by Donald Trump, and the casino allows the guy to drink and gamble, both of which are illegal at home.

Donald Trump flies to Saudi Arabia and gets arrested because he allowed the guy to drink and gamble at his casino.


by chillrob

What law do you think PayPal broke?Do you think it is right for the US to arrest people for things they did in their home countries which are legal there?I remember being amazed that Canada didn't raise more of a stink when their citizens were arrested while changing planes in the US.This would be exactly the same as what was done then.Some Saudi citizen goes to a casino owned

if you tell me which episode exactly you are referring to about paypal and the FBI for content censorship i can answer you.

But in general you might dislike the idea, but facilitating americans committing crimes is a crime for the USA even if it happens elsewhere.

Other countries might have different rules but for ex you can get charged in most first world countries for underaged sex in other countries ("sexual pedo tourism" or variations thereof)


by chillrob

What law do you think PayPal broke?Do you think it is right for the US to arrest people for things they did in their home countries which are legal there?I remember being amazed that Canada didn't raise more of a stink when their citizens were arrested while changing planes in the US.This would be exactly the same as what was done then.Some Saudi citizen goes to a casino owned

Aghh enlighten us who?


Oops, I meant Neteller, not PayPal. It's been almost 20 years and the name completely escaped me. But I had a few thousand dollars stuck there for months.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2...

Obviously the pedotourism is terrible, but in general I don't think the US should be able to prosecute citizens for doing something abroad which is legal in that country.

We should also not be prosecuting foreign nationals for doing something in their home country which is legal in that country.


by chillrob

Oops, I meant Neteller, not PayPal. It's been almost 20 years and the name completely escaped me. But I had a few thousand dollars stuck there for months.https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2...Obviously the pedotourism is terrible, but in general I don't think the US should be able to prosecute citizens for doing something abroad which is legal in that

Well you are entitled to your opinions on jurisdictional matters, but the point is that the discussed events have nothing to do with 1a violations. Criminal content can be taken down and that's not a violation of the 1a.

Just think of fraudulent advertisements for a very basic thing that isn't "speech" even if it's communication


The FBI has shut down some websites which could not even be directly used for what they considered to be illegal activities, but only advertised the entities which enabled those activities. I think some were taken down which only discussed those entities, but I can't remember specific examples of those.


by biggerboat

Oh geez, someone quoted him.

Calling ice law enforcement is a huge stretch. They are randomly rounding up brown people. Not to mention they hide behind masks.

And the protesters were sitting down, not preventing ice from doing anything.

I.C.E. = Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

As in, enforcing immigration and customs laws.

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