GGPoker Winning NL500/NL1000 Reg Banned for "RTA"

Part of GG T&C:
Can players share their results or data online?
Understanding data analysis

How is data mining defined?
Data mining is defined as any action that results in the collection of hand histories that are not a player's own. The platform maintains a strict environment to ensure that game data is used exclusively for legitimate, personal analysis.

Which actions are strictly prohibited?
To ensure game integrity and a fair ecosystem, the following activities are prohibited:

Third-party tools: Players are prohibited from using any third-party software to import or convert hand histories directly from the poker tables or via PokerCraft.
Data sharing: Players may not grant any other party direct or indirect access to their PokerCraft data.
External distribution: Sharing personal hand histories or private game results with other people or platforms violates the guidelines, regardless of the player's intent or the purpose of the sharing.

You can see literally everyone that uses GTOWizard or any simialr service to upload and analyze hands is breaking rules. Is importing hands into tracker allowed based on this rules?

Probably everyone break some rules, but they decide for which players they enforce them.

You tell me who didnt do this for 1 hand minimum? So everyone can be banned according to this rules.

It's in their interest rules are so wide and can be interpreted as per needed.

Its like putting sign next to normal road that cars are illegal on this road.

And then profile people driving by and enforce it to specific group and send them to jail.

And then defend this actions, because rules are clear and they broke them.

I personally see issue in practices like that.

But normal roads are made for people to use cars on. GGpoker isnt made for players to use smarthand or gtowizard on.

If they are banning winners caught using smarthand but not losers caught using smarthand that'll be an issue. But I have a feeling most of the players using smarthand are winners so that wont separate the herd.

But we dont know that is happening, its all speculation. In fact, we dont even know how they tipped off the RTA-check and if its true or a false-positive. We can just try to figure it out but as long as GG is Johnny Tightlips its all speculation.

Can you also read or just post whole days on 2+2? Not even talked about any of these tools.

Uploading hands in ANY tools at ANY time is against their T&C if you read it.

So only legit way is to analyze HH in notepad. The way whole T&C is writen, everyone break some rules.

It definitely shows there is plenty of ambiguity in the terms, and it is probably meant to be this way to allow them to operate the way they want to.

Everyone must proceed with caution it seems, and certainly banking C$ is not a good idea. Unfortunately banking gems is necessary to get decent rewards.

The two tools being smarthand & gtowizard
Literally 2 posts up you were talking about dataming. Smarthand is one the most used websites for dataming...

This is exactly what smarthand is. So you did talk about it. And gtowizard you mentioned by name:

You clearly did talk about both, why the hostility?
I know there are other tools out there that would also be an infraction but Smarthand & GTOwizard are very commonly used (and people might not realize they are against ToS) so they might just be the common denominator in this whole mess.

But yea, lets not try to figure this injustice out, lets just all be aimlessly angry.

Never mentioned smarthand, whole thing abour data mining is just copy pasted from T&C of GG.

And GTO wizard I talked about legit use for study purpose like its intended.

They have function to upload hands and review/study them. GG kinda partnered with them so they are for sure aware of this function.

But based on T&C this is not allowed.

But you started talking about how GG isnt made for wizard to be used on. Like anyone in whole thread is not aware of that.

Exactly.
And therefore the road sign analogy was flawed. That was the whole point.

Have players affected by the warning/ban tried to (frequently) contact people from the official GGpoker team? It might help lure a response out of them.

What point have you made exactly?

Like i said already, everyone knows that GTO wizard or any tools like that should not be used/opened while playing. So thanks for explaining that to us.

My point was that GG have option to dowload HH, but based on T&C you break rules if upload them to any tool to study.

My analogy was just connected with broad GG rules that many players break in some way or another, and can be selectively enforced from GG.

Never did I do such a thing, I know everybody knows that, you are the one unable to read properly.
My point is that maybe players dont realize GTOwizard & smarthand are forbidden for off-the-table use as well on GG, because logically it doesnt seem to qualify as RTA if the assistance isnt in real time.
And players might have made notes off the tables with GTOwizard or smarthand related text in them which tipped GG off to warn/ban. (and this is likely more common among 200nl+ players and winning players)

As far as the other points I agree, I have said multiple times that its sketchy, its biased, its unclear (therefore we are speculating) and my conclusion was in fact:

I don't understand why you're still dealing with this, they can easily freeze anyone's account and steal their money and there's nothing you can do, the biggest scammers work inside GG, that poker site is so ****ed up, literally the worst poker site ever!

I don't really get your point either Slugant. What sort of GTOw assisted notetaking are you even talking about I also don't get why you group the two together. Use of Smarthand is obviously a circumvention of the no HUD/datamining rule, and I think a lifetime ban without warning is harsh but somewhat fair. (I'm not saying that this is what happened to the people in this thread.) But there is no reason to think that GTO wizard as a study tool without even having the client open should be forbidden. As TripleFool asked, why would GG bother to partner with GTOw then

Directly means directly.....🙄

Another smartass activated. Its writen 'or via PokerCraft'.

Here is also direct photo from T&C:

You are breaking rules brother!

Nice, they are finally bringing a stop to you winning players. Was about time!

I group them together because GG cant detect if you are using gtowizard in-browser.
Lets say you import a hand into GTOwizard and see your opponent deviates from GTO in a certainw way and with nodelocking you find the perfect new gto strat to combat that. You could make a note of that somewhere saying ''gtowizard' and GG can detect that.

I only mention it as possible reasons these players are getting warned/banned and others not.

But I get it, the thread is more fun when its about semantics and attacking eachother then its about trying to figure out the common denominator of banned players (and before someone says they are all winning, yes, but just a very tiny % of winners are banned so that cant be the only thing)

It would really be beneficial if we had a lawyer with poker knowledge to tell us whether their purposefully convoluted language literally means you're breaking the TOS each time you import your downloaded hand histories into a "3rd party" tracker.

Oh yes, for sure I am stretching. But its pretty much all we have to work with unfortunately.
Actually the least bit of stretching is saying it is likely that these players who were banned for using RTA were actually using RTA. But i want to believe the players' stories I hear so far.
But on that front it has been quiet last few days though. One guy said he never used smarthand at that was it.