1/3 Aria, SC on the Button
Noon, Wed, Aria Las Vegas, 1/3 NLH, 7 handed
Table has been pretty active for hour I have been there. Lots of pre-flop limping and raising, though not a huge number of 3 bets. Post has been call heavy
H: Started off with 500 (max buyin) and has seen it whittle down to ~320. I am about to add on if I go below 300. I did lose about a 100 to V1 with top pair to backdoor flush. Likely seen as tight.
V1: ~30 yo male, active, talkative, friendly, VPIPing 50%, probably raising half of those
V2: ~30 yo male, active, talking but a little quieter, probably VPIPing 35%
Both villains cover my 320.
Pre:
V1 (UTG): Raises to 10 (fairly standard for him. Most poeople have been raising 10 or 15)
Folds to me
H (Button): Calls 89dd
SB folds
V2 (BB): 3bets to 35
V1 calls fairly quickly
H pauses a bit and calls
Flop (~100 after rake)
567 Rainbow (no diamond)
V2 cbets 50 fairly quickly
V1 calls fairly quickly
Hero has the nuts and about 285 left behind. Call, small raise, or shove?
Comments on Pre and Flop welcome.
13 Replies
Call
Preflop: This isn't a great call $500 deep, at 100bb it's borderline at best. 3bet sometimes, if V1 has a fold button, just wait for better hands the rest.
When V2 3bets it just sucks, you are supposed to fold... but I understand.
Flop: Meh, call or raise to 125 both seem fine. You need to get as much money in as possible, from both players, to make preflop less bad. I wouldn't shove or fold.
In many ways raising to 125 might look weaker than overcalling, but if you've "whittle down" by calling pairs and losing later on then they might think you are a lot wider if you call.
They both seem happy and have overpairs or whatever, if you raise to 125 then you can "tank" a bit and shove all turns, but if you call then you really need V2 to bet 50+ and get called or it might check to you and your shove is going to be roughly pot size and look scary.
Noon, Wed, Aria Las Vegas, 1/3 NLH, 7 handedTable has been pretty active for hour I have been there. Lots of pre-flop limping and raising, though not a huge number of 3 bets. Post has been call heavyH: Started off with 500 (max buyin) and has seen it whittle down to ~320. I am about to add on if I go below 300. I did lose about a 100 to V1 with top pair to backdoor flush. Likel
Vs this open size at this stack depth you probably dont want to call any suited connectors on the button. I would just play mostly 3b or fold at this depth, think 98s plays well enough post to just pure 3b in this config. Options become much more limited preflop when you are only sitting 100bb eff facing bigger than 3x open sizes.
Just a quick bit of advice, in order to really profit in this type of poker environment you need to buy in as much as possible and try to build a stack to cover the action players. When I play anything lower than 5/10 I’m aggressively topping up my stack and often taking high variance spots in the beginning of my sessions in order to play deepstacked with action players. At 100bb eff your hourly might top out at like 5-6bb/hr where as at 200-300bb eff you can easily hit 10-12bb/hr which is a signifcant difference.
As played on the flop I think just raise small, with this texture there is a lot of urgency to get the money in as soon as possible before action killing turns. I think the best outcomes happen when we click it small here, nobody is going to hero fold an overpair, and they probably just put the money in for us.
Don’t raise big. Dont fold. Call and small raise both appealing. When we raise small and are pot committed that could look too strong. At the risk of scare cards coming I think calling is better.
Calling pf with the button is fine initially but I'd let it go to the 3 bet. You aren't getting enough odds. I'd raise 125 on the turn. That's giving 4:1 and two younger players aren't going to fold an over pair getting those odds. It sets up a 3:1 shove on the turn.
Preflop should probably be a fold both times. Call flop in position.
The preflop call of the 3bet is a bit dubious. Solvers have a distinct dislike for 98s specifically - particularly in 3bet pots - not sure if that's because of the chances of getting stacked by AK or something less subtle, but in any event it's probably a bit loose. You can take any option facing the initial raise.
Flop you have a range advantage against a BB 3bettor and a UTG raise-call - this flop probably doesn't really interact with them at all. There's no flush draw and you probably aren't all that scared of a board pair (and you're too shallow to worry about it anyway) so with all that in mind and in position my instinct would be to click it back but you can probably call as well - the only card you really don't want is a one-liner.
I don't like click it back into a raise and a call, because it is a little face up you have the nuts.
PRE - we should probably be playing raise or fold. Could go either way with 98s. BB's 3B sizing looks FOS. Over-call seems dubious, but whatever.
FLOP - what size would you raise with 87s? $150?
I dunno. I may enjoy annoying people too much. I might click it to $100 and pray V2 3B's enough to put us all in. V1 calling would be amazeballs with awesomesauce.
If we get called I'd be planning to jam all turns.
Thank you all.
Pre: Yeah, I think the initial call is marginal at best. I didn't 3 bet because I don't think I have any fold equity here. The call of the 3-bet I kinda knew was probably wrong, but in real time, I justified it to myself on pot odds and having position.
Post: I kinda thought what's a regular raise and came with like 150 to 200 which was more than half my stack so I shoved. I do think call is better, and probably clicking it back is even better, especially given no flush draw.
Results: V2 (the 3 better) folded pretty quickly (perhaps just 2 High Cards). V1, tanked, asked for a count, and called. River did pair the 6 which had me slightly concerned, but he showed J8s for a busted OESD, and I scoop.
Vs this open size at this stack depth you probably dont want to call any suited connectors on the button. I would just play mostly 3b or fold at this depth, think 98s plays well enough post to just pure 3b in this config. Options become much more limited preflop when you are only sitting 100bb eff facing bigger than 3x open sizes.
I am curious on this. I generally set some level I fall below on when I top up, usually below 100bb. I don't want to be the person adding on every time I lose a 20 dollar pot, but what is an appropriate level of agressiveness in topping up?
All three preflop options are prolly in play initially, but I'm never going to hate too much in attempting to get into a pot on the Button for relatively cheap.
Second call is pretty poor, imo, as the price has skyrocketed, our IO are horrible, and the SPR will be ~3 (not good for our hand).
Think I'd probably lean to call on the flop. SPR is small and we're in position, so no concern regarding getting stacks in by the river (or sooner); the only concern is action/hand killing cards. If there was a flush draw I'd lean to a raise as there's just that many more action/hand killing cards. There's still some action/killing cards so raising ain't horrible, but I think I risk a flat, hope the turn is clean, and then get the rest in then and hopefully they've committed themselves for our stack.
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I am curious on this. I generally set some level I fall below on when I top up, usually below 100bb. I don't want to be the person adding on every time I lose a 20 dollar pot, but what is an appropriate level of agressiveness in topping up?
I literally top up to my desired stack amount every single time I drop below it. I purposely sit at $200 in my 1/3 NL game cuz I feel that's the best stack for me to sit at (i.e. I suck at deepstack), so I keep a bunch of reds in my manpurse and top up my stack after every hand as needed.
Gnoreasontoevernotsitatyourdesiredstack,imoG