Massive draw MW at level 1

Massive draw MW at level 1

1/3 NLHE 8 handed

Game is all fish, no one knows what they're doing. Mixed between tight passive and loose passive.

CO - M

17 July 2026 at 05:34 PM
Reply...

27 Replies


Earlier posts are available on our legacy forum HERE

I don’t think co ever has a weak hand (like AJ or KQ no fd) because he knows he has to beat the all in and we will never bluff a dry side pot on the turn on a very wet board.


by OmahaDonk

I don’t think co ever has a weak hand (like AJ or KQ no fd) because he knows he has to beat the all in and we will never bluff a dry side pot on the turn on a very wet board.

by gobbledygeek

(assuming our draw doesn't currently have a massive equity advantage, which I think is fair to assume given the action).

Why though? We've been told he sucks at poker and is a level 1 thinker.


I actually attempted a shove versus call EV calc with the exact hands that we and CO have (just to see how they compare in a worse-ish case scenario), with some assumptions (didn't include rake, assumed SB had 0% equity cuz didn't want to deal with sidepots which I think is fair given his hand, etc.).

I somehow computed an EV of -$29 for shoving versus an EV of $27 for flatting / CO folds turn on non-pairing club versus an EV of $17 for flatting / money always goes in on turn...

... but I don't think that can possibly be right as I would expect the EV of shoving to be equivalent to flatting / money always goes in on turn.

So I've obviously done some EV math mistake. Anyone else care to take a shot?

GcluelessmathsnoobG

Reply...