The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

Again (third time but whos counting) the PVI isnt what you think it is. It doesnt control how much you win, its just the divisor/multiplier for rakeback, only on GG.

like ACR gives flat 27% rb.
Thats what you get. Not a loser with a pvi of 2 gets 54% rb and a winner with pvi of 0.5 gets 13,5%

But seeing as you dont even understand the basics the matrix must really love you to let you win some money after all 😀

You're absolutely right.**** you bitch and eat ****.

Get help Bob!!

Just waiting for you to provide proof of this.

And the test.

You want him to prove something doesnt do something? lol
That in itself is v clearly placing the onus on the wrong party, if you feel the PVI influences runout then the burden of proof is on you to evidence that not the other way around.

Oh, of course, you're just a paid troll. You probably get paid the most by a room like PokerStars-which doesn't even take responsibility for rigged games in its own Terms and Conditions.
I'm telling you again: I am stuck because I am being setup/rigged, and the test proves it. Upstakes are not scammers; they are a normal staking platform just like all the rest. Except, to get staked, you have to pass a GTO test. I don't believe just anyone can pass it, which is exactly what you are claiming.
So, I'm telling you one last time: this is my final post. I proved that I understand the game by passing a GTO staking test that you couldn't pass. In my opinion, you tried but failed. I proved with a graph that I have a "run bad" profile and that the site is scamming me. Therefore, I win the argument: online poker is rigged.
That is why they are registered on various random islands, and that is why they protect themselves right from their Terms and Conditions. They have absolutely zero transparency before any institutions and bear absolutely no responsibility for their actions. They have no reason not to be scammers. There is no law to stop or punish them.

He's making a claim. I'm asking him to provide evidence for that claim. That's how it works.

Well, its like proving Jupiter doesnt influence the runouts. If you dont know from the start the two are unrelated there is something wrong with you.

But what is PVI according to AI: "In online poker, PVI stands for Player Value Index. It is a hidden mathematical multiplier used by GGPoker to dynamically adjust how much rake a player is credited for, directly altering their loyalty rewards and rakeback payouts."
It only affects the multiplier for the rakeback you receive. They give winners relatively less rakeback than losing players... They arent tempering with their runouts otherwise they wouldnt be winners in the first place

Is it TJ? Because I havent seen you done that before when:
- Somebody claimed he was running bad because the pokersite was mad at him speaking on a forum
- Somebody claimed he was running bad because he was punishing players too hard using perfect GTO while also exploiting them
- Somebody claimed a site that makes people pay to take tests is definitely fair (shouldnt he prove he is not a shill??)
- Somebody claimed to not win a single flip in over 1000 tournaments
- Somebody claimed to have internal sources who told them all about eco-balancing (sources never revealed, all further questions about it ignored)

All these claims were made without a single piece of evidence.
And since the way it works for you is to ask for evidence when claims are made...
Do you subsequently want to ask all these people to provide the evidence, because "thats how it works" ?

I know you are a man of principle and without those pieces of evidence you of course wont believe them

Sounds like someone is a paid troll working for the staking maffia

I am not going to pay on a scammy staking site without it being +ev for me, so I havent taken anything yet.
But again, if you think I'll fail you should take on my 1k bet coward.
Why are you such a pussy?

You have proven you run under ev, I have proven its within normal variance.
There is zero proof the site is scamming you.

Lukadonkki also has a rigged RNG and is running under ev but he still beats 200nl and has decent results overall
So its no excuse for being stuck at micros.
So it must be that you suck at poker.
I have now proven you are a very bad poker player. I win the argument.

Sure thing Waddy. I see you soon 😉

Well, you made this claim so I'm asking you to provide evidence to prove it.

Whenever i read stuff like this the posts above I feel i have been had.

There is just no way you arent trolling.

But you are boring. i wonder what happened to our tennis ace.

he was entertaining at least.

Do you think you are entertaining?

Maybe you could provide proof to help Slugtard out? Or maybe take the GTO test for him?

I provided explanation what PVI is with my words and what AI said about it. The PVI is solely about rakeback.

Other also made claims so you must want to see the evidence for these claims as well...

Richkom claimed he was running bad because the pokersite was mad at him speaking on a forum
Richkom claimed he was running bad because he was punishing players too hard using perfect GTO while also exploiting them
You and richkom claimed a site that makes people pay to take tests is definitely fair (shouldnt he prove he is not a shill??)
Richkom claimed to not win a single flip in over 1000 tournaments
Richkom & Waddy claimed to have internal sources who told them all about eco-balancing (sources never revealed, all further questions about it ignored)

Even you are in there, making the claim that upstakes is a fair site
Since your very strong view is that claims shouldnt be made without proof....
Please provide evidence 😀

I think we know by now that you deliberately misquote and misinterpret posts of those who have an opposing view to yours. I didnt write the quote about 0.01% being tweaked, it was part of a reposted quote from someone else.

1 You know this
2 The quote of 'no-one cares if 0.01% of profiles are tweaked' is purely an extreme example of how an audit could not pick this up, not a claim that this is the figure that is actually being tweaked. You know this too. No-one is this dense.

Maybe Autism as i mentioned before. No-one takes clear things as examples this literally.

DonJohnnie is maybe suffering from a similar condition. Im not knocking it, but maybe arguing on a forum is not conducive to this affliction.

I give an EXAMPLE of how the online deck works in certain situations in Omaha Hi lo and the guy criticises my play within the example! Not able to take in that an example is not a literal thing. He thinks as a highly profitable hi lo player of 20yrs, that i dont know that A234 will play better than AKJQ. Its easy to see why you cant see an online deck for what it is, with both of your inabilites to take in information in the manner most can.

I think not being able to make a connection with fines in many areas taking advantage of the customer, with large volumes of people noticing discrepancies with a written deck very amusing.

What Slugant/DonJohnnie are saying is wholeheartedly trust companies that cheat in advertising/running of slots and player spending limits etc etc etc (and have been proven to do so and fined)... as there is no conclusive evidence that they cheat in this particular area of manipulating the deck to their advantage.

So if you had a acquaintance that had been in and out of prison for burglary, rape, assault all which had been proven and time spent..... you would have no qualms whatsoever and would totally trust him to babysit your children.... and indeed argue his case when people suspected he was a paedophile... because although he had displayed his character through previous offences, there was no 'conclusive proof' he was a paedophile and had never been convicted of such!

We all know they wouldnt. So whats the deal here? Site reps.

Thanks for asking TJ!

Yes I do have my moments.

Why would I want to take a GTO Test? I would probably have really bad results as I have done very little GTO study.

That being said I am open to it. It however seems like you have to pay a fee before you take the test.

Since I am not a complete moron unlike you and Rich I obviously wont do that.

Hope that helps!

Troll level pro.
You are writing nonsense with absolutely no proof. The fact that I was 15 million chips below EV wasn't proof. Haha. Do you even hear yourself Do you know how many tournaments of getting tortured after late reg that is I'll tell you... thousands. The test consists of completely GTO spots, a test which you refused to take. It would have cost you absolutely nothing to stand behind your words and prove that you are not just a troll for the poker rooms. But you are. You are part of the mafia! You're probably writing from the Isle of Man right now, from the office of some poker site

So why did you quote it then?
Not once but twice

In the entire posts there are wild claims without zero sources or evidence... TheoryJuicer would get so mad when he sees this, he hates it when there is no evidence :p

And it was you who called it "the reality of regulation"
I dont misquote anything, you misread and misunderstand

Wow, you even failed harder on this than I thought possible. Well done.

You talked about being 15M under EV
You showed you were 3M under EV
The math proved that was normal

People have to pay to take the test (which is a scam btw), so it doesnt cost me nothing. Why are you lying about this and defending upstakes? Are you a paid troll member of their mafia or something???

But for you to stand behind your words it will make you a clean 1k
If you truly believe I cant pass that test take the bet on. Stop pussying out like a little girl, grow some balls and take the bet on.
You can make 1k, I can only make 980 but I dont care.
Stop being a whiny little coward and accept the bet
Or if you want, we can also up the stakes and make the bet 2k, is that what you want? 😀

Also, you somehow missed this part about you being setup by poker rooms, please read it again;
Lukadonkki also has a rigged RNG and is running under ev but he still beats 200nl and has decent results overall
So its no excuse for being stuck at micros.
So it must be that you suck at poker, there is no other way.
I have now proven you are a very bad poker player. I win the argument😃

Why do shilltards feel the constant need to insult people? We never insulted you.

Its not an insult. You ask for moronic things like a proof that pvi does not influence the runouts.

Why dont you provide proof you aren't mind controlled by your neighbours cat first?

See how moronic that request is now?

Because I never made that claim . Slugtard on the other hand ...

See how moronic your response is?

You shilltards sure don't like being held to the same standard you demand of everyone else.

Still waiting on Slugtards proof for his PVI claim plus the results of his GTO test.

Proof has been shown above, AI clearly says what PVI is and it isnt what you thought/think. The fact that you dont seem to understand any of it doesnt change the fact that it's proof.

You really dont get anything, its almost uncanny. Its not about whether or not you claim something. You pretended to have a principle that you want to see evidence for claims.
But when somebody makes the most outrageous claims about sites punishing him because he speaks here or he is too good at GTO and all other tinfoil stuff you are nowhere to be found. Why dont you ask them for some evidence too? Otherwise you might seem like a foolish hypocrite 😀

I'll do & show the GTO test as soon as just one of you riggies stops being a little pussy and takes the bet on, but up until now its all talk and no show 😃

The level of contradiction just between two following sentences is staggering
And I actually do feel your stupidity is an insult for all mankind.

But I do know where it comes from, I just dont know why you think you are an expert considering

At least I enjoy and make a living playing poker. Imagine not playing online poker at all but being a wiseass for 8 years on a thread dealing with subjects you know nothing about.
Out of your 657 posts 628 are in this thread. You even have more posts in this thread than me!!!
But you dont even play
Please prove you have an IQ over 20 otherwise you are clearly as asinine as they come.

I probably re posted it because its true that audits in their present form will never be able to pick up tweaking of the deck done in a subtle way... as this was the entire point....and it was as a extreme low number designed as an example, so that even a young child would understand the point.

We didnt realise some autistic lunatic would actually think we were saying 0.01% of profiles is the figure that is used for tweaking. But we should know Slugant constantly does this and takes EVERYTHING literally. Clearly has a condition.

Guy says that i cant possibly be one of the 4.57M self employed people in the UK over and over, with no basis other than he doesnt like me as i think online poker is rigged.

Then he says because im self employed, that i wouldnt play poker for holiday money. Because if you are self employed, apparently you earn millions compared to the employed. This is how blinkered he is not just when it comes to online poker, but in life.

Notice you didnt refer to the example of the re-offending convicted criminal looking after your kids. Just because he hadnt been convicted of being a paedophile, so you would trust him 100%. Bit of a tough one to argue that one isnt it? Best ignore it.

Do you have testable evidence for this claim of yours or are you just the usual old, uneducated loser?

Calling you a braindead, worthless piece of **** is not an insult but a statement of fact. Prove me wrong, Juicetard...