The Democratic Party's Slide Into Irrelevance
Attaching a poll ... Dems unfavorability rating increased from 45% to 57% during the Biden Administration.
Their opponents have infinite funding and resources.
How can you compare a progressive political campaign against a media infrastructure which is dishonest and stacked against them?
What kind of campaign can overcome that?
It works in local politics like NYC where there is incredible grassroots connectivity. AOC demonstrated that 4 cycles ago. Bernie did that in Vermont.
They don’t have infinite funding and resources.
Regardless, even if I grant you that, why don’t you guys go for the smaller ones then? There should be a Bernie in every city, if that’s what’s attainable.
But AOC and Bernie are a congressional rep and senator respectively. Where are those candidates?
The excuses run thin. The rigging is only used to deflect, without acknowledging that people apparently overcome the “rigging”. So in reality if there is a path to victory despite the rigging then there is still room to speculate as to what went wrong. It’s what progressives refuse to seriously do.
hes getting there. give him time. hes about where I was in 2019. in a few years he will realize Stalin did nothing wrong and the only true path is that of Ali and the martyr Imam Hussain.
“Stalin did nothing wrong” and “the only true path is that of Ali and the martyr Imam Hussain” are actually two mutually exclusive propositions.
Bernie would have won but also, he never had a chance to win.
You guys can’t make up your mind, except to be sure that progressives can never do wrong.
I voted for Bernie. But he was too weak.
When Pelosi scheduled the sham impeachment hearings that took him off the campaign trail in the weeks leading up to the Iowa caucus, he should have stayed in Iowa.
He should have called out the Dem establishment for staging that trial for the specific purpose of keeping him from campaigning.
Bernie bent the knee.
The Dems need someone who treats their establishment the way Trump treated the GOP establishment. They need someone who isn't afraid of being called a racist and is willing to go toe to toe with Obama.
Bernie should have called Obama Uncle Tom. That's what someone with balls would have done.
I voted for Bernie. But he was too weak.
When Pelosi scheduled the sham impeachment hearings that took him off the campaign trail in the weeks leading up to the Iowa caucus, he should have stayed in Iowa.
He should have called out the Dem establishment for staging that trial for the specific purpose of keeping him from campaigning.
Bernie bent the knee.
He does that and sounds as schizo as you are, you think that will help him?
If he thought the impeachment was a sham, why did he lie and support it?
If you blame him for bending the knee, why didn’t you include that in your criticism of him?
The Dems need someone who treats their establishment the way Trump treated the GOP establishment. They need someone who isn't afraid of being called a racist and is willing to go toe to toe with Obama.
And what would come of that? You said it was rigged, right? And they have unlimited resources and power?
Of course there’s no consistency in what you say, you’re just vomiting out populist slop.
The Dems need someone who treats their establishment the way Trump treated the GOP establishment.
Long term, can the GOP survive the end of Trump's demagoguery?
Also you're suggesting the party leadership mass retire to give way to an ideology which they are way too propagandized to accept. Recall that the GOP did not accept Trump willingly, at first.
That's what happens when the corporate media blasts messaging from liars like John Lewis attacking Bernie's civil rights record.
Voters put their trust in liars and the corporate media isn't going to expose the lying even though they know damn well what it is.
The outcome is that the Democrats don't have a governing majority w/o progressive support and the GOP wins by default.
Now that we've established that people are just plain stupid, maybe we should just let climate change do its thing and let cockroaches run things for awhile.
(George Carlin said as much, but in a far more eloquent and humorous way than I just did.)
I voted for Bernie. But he was too weak.
When Pelosi scheduled the sham impeachment hearings that took him off the campaign trail in the weeks leading up to the Iowa caucus, he should have stayed in Iowa.
He should have called out the Dem establishment for staging that trial for the specific purpose of keeping him from campaigning.
Bernie bent the knee.
Yes, absolutely that's the reason why the Dems were impeaching Trump. They were scared of the Bernie Bros.
You're too funny!
The last thing we need is another fringe candidate that doesn’t represent the silent majority
I'm not a Stalin supporter. In my opinion, there are two transcendent issues in present day politics. Environmental destruction and expanding inequality which threatens the social fabric. My policy recommendations are lean and straightforward. UBI and banning unnecessary and gratuitous pollution. People want to create a lot of noise and distraction to pivot away from the simpli
Nobody would care if started defending Stalin. It would make a lot more sense because nothing you've posited has any connection with Bernie Sanders or FDR as neither of those wanted to ban money or vehicles or force mandatory labor onto the entire world. Just ditch the Deuces reach arounds ffs.
Step 1 Bernie runs for president
Step 2 Bernie calls Obama an Uncle Tom
Step 3 ????
Step 4 President Bernie
No ... it wouldn't have resulted in President Bernie.
But it would have been glorious and exposed the rift in the Democratic Party. It would have been like the fable where the kid blurts out that emperor has no clothes. And Obama would have that label hanging over him the rest of his life.
Obama is a cancer and someone needs the balls to strip away that veneer of credibility.
Notice ..... everyone here is attacking Nut Nut. But no one is defending Obama.
I'm not important. I wasn't the POTUS. Obama was.
At the end of the day, Bernie accomplished very little. No Medicare For All. No meaningful climate legislation. He supported a Biden Administration that greenlighted a genocide in Gaza. All because he was persuaded to be more afraid of Trump. His historical legacy is minimal.
If he had been willing to go after Obama, his legacy would have been different.
No ... it wouldn't have resulted in President Bernie.But it would have been glorious and exposed the rift in the Democratic Party. It would have been like the fable where the kid blurts out that emperor has no clothes. And Obama would have that label hanging over him the rest of his life. Obama is a cancer and someone needs the balls to strip away that veneer of credibility. No
I think a major economic collapse might be the only hope at creating enough rift to create a dramatic change. I'm not talking about high rent prices with 5 dollar a gallon gas and elevated Amazon Prime memberships and pricy NFTs and a 4% unemployment rate but an economy leads to major layoffs and bankruptcies and rapid crime. Something bad enough to where consumer spending erodes because the disposable income is completely gone.
Then the boomers die off or decide to cash out and go MIA and the new kids enter in. It happened on a very small scale in 2008 when we hit a recession and Mr Hope and Change showed up. Maybe the system is too rigged and the next Mamdani who was actually undercover, turns into another Obama as the system really was impenetrable, but then maybe good things do happen instead. Because things are ran by people and they aren't immortal.
I think a major economic collapse might be the only hope at creating enough rift to create a dramatic change. .
Collapse is underway.
This version of human civilization is swirling the drain. The warning signs are all over the place.
It's simple biology. The byproducts of our metabolism are toxic to us. Our industrial metabolism is flooding the environment with toxins and altering the availability of the food and water which are our basic metabolic inputs. It's no mystery where that leads.
You can shoot the messenger all you want .... but that doesn't impact the reality of nature.
No ... it wouldn't have resulted in President Bernie.
But it would have been glorious and exposed the rift in the Democratic Party. It would have been like the fable where the kid blurts out that emperor has no clothes. And Obama would have that label hanging over him the rest of his life.
Obama is a cancer and someone needs the balls to strip away that veneer of credibility.
It is, of course, pretty difficult to assess counterfactuals, but my priors on Bernie calling Obama an Uncle Tom point me strongly towards it leading to him being universally reviled with no tangible harm to Obama’s legacy.
Notice ..... everyone here is attacking Nut Nut. But no one is defending Obama.
I'm not important. I wasn't the POTUS. Obama was.
You’re not really putting much of substance on the table. Obama, like nearly all powerful people, has some very bad characteristics. His pursuit of wealth after the White House has understandably left a bad taste in your mouth. Maybe you’re disappointed at other things he did during his presidency.
The truth is that I just find it really hard to assess him because of who came after him and before him. Comparatively, he really was a good president, and he ushered in much needed cultural and economic changes. However his legacy is tarnished by military blunders partially due to the situation he inherited, but also marked by a wide-ranging respect for the US from our global allies, respect that we will likely never have again.
Moderate people that like Obama tend to be the ones least likely to take dogmatic positions defending his every act obsequiously and more likely to pain him as an admirable person that led America through some tough times in the wake of the Iraq and Afghanistan war as well as the financial crisis of 2008. He wasn’t perfect but for a president he was pretty good.
It’s not really interesting to defend Obama from charges of Uncle Tom or slave because those just seem ludicrous from the onset.
No ... it wouldn't have resulted in President Bernie.But it would have been glorious and exposed the rift in the Democratic Party. It would have been like the fable where the kid blurts out that emperor has no clothes. And Obama would have that label hanging over him the rest of his life. Obama is a cancer and someone needs the balls to strip away that veneer of credibility. No
I think it's roughly one thousand times more likely that by saying such a thing Sanders would have destroyed his own credibility far more than hurting Obama's, and would have completely ruined whatever chance he did have to ever earn his party's nomination.
It is, of course, pretty difficult to assess counterfactuals, but my priors on Bernie calling Obama an Uncle Tom point me strongly towards it leading to him being universally reviled with no tangible harm to Obama’s legacy.
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Obama's legacy is toast regardless and nothing Bernie said or did will impact that much.
The Paris Accord was empty and the US became a fracking giant and the world's biggest fossil fuel producer during his terms. Inequality got worse. He worked behind the scenes with the GOP in secret for 6+ years to get the TPP passed. His administration greenlighted illegal spying on US citizens as exposed by Edward Snowden. His administration was chosen by Wall St and served Wall St.
At some point when inequality leads to a new American Depression, an alpha leftist like FDR will hopefully emerge and do all the things that Obana didn't. The neoliberal cancer that has inhabited the Dems since the 80's will expire.
The Nuremburg Trials equivalent for climate change are coming in our future. There is going to be lots of legitimate anger. The legacies of those in power while the problem rose into a tsunami are not going to be spared.
I think it's roughly one thousand times more likely that by saying such a thing Sanders would have destroyed his own credibility far more than hurting Obama's, and would have completely ruined whatever chance he did have to ever earn his party's nomination.
Sanders credibility has been destroyed by his support of Biden. He got nothing for it and the Biden Administration greenlighted genocide.
His legacy has some positives. He opened the Overton Window for leftists and we see some emerging energy there with characters like Mandami.
But Bernie was not built to rule. He was a gadfly.
