CoinPoker debate

And if the mods don't have a clue how it works re missions what hope do you have "while others received nothing"

The part I bolded is the key. If I want to play in reg fests, I can just play WPN. Why should I pay a premium to play on Coin?

This is true. I'd rather have someone affiliated to the pokersite posting than never responding. Then again, I wasnt particularly impressed with the response and to me it showed a lack of understanding, maybe deliberately.
Unfortunately this goes for almost every pokersite though, only old pokerstars really excelled in customer service.

Dataminers do not catch every hand but its pretty accurate nonetheless as a whole in the sense that 4M hands of highest volume regs making -7.43 tells a solid story, and mathmatically cant be far off from their actual lossrates.

But the main part is the second sentence and this is insane to me.
"average reg winrate is probably anywhere from -6bb/100 to -4bb/100"

This is not poker to me and it shouldnt be for anyone.
Please remember (part of) your slogan...

CoinPoker... for the players!

It's not a mod, there's no mod icon. You know this as you lurk there daily and he said there he's not a mod anymore before July, when Missions started. He used to be quite a while ago. Hence he doesn't know about this new thing.

To clarify 100% of active players get a Mission, they need to be personalized based on the games played, so a brand new player doesn't have one until they play, so the site knows what to assign. It's manual.

Old inactive accounts, similarly won't have one until they start playing again. As there's hundreds of thousands on the books but not playing lately. It doesn't take long, around 2-3 days to get a Mission.

So who does then Jason is fairly clued up he doesn't know , the players don't know Is the statement Jason made correct "some did and some got nothing" These people that got nothing paid rake and got nothing back in place of their 15%

Because your arguing over semantics not the core issue

Now you've edited - you've replaced a flat % where each individual player could see if they've been shortchanged and created this opaque system where they get the "chance" at some undetermined % reward if they "do your bidding" with the mission

Guess for me given I wouldn't trust you to stir a cup of tea it's the opaqueness - you could have this down to 5-10% real terms across the board but able to hide it with a few screenshots of "look at this guy getting 60%" - When I'm dealing with shady people the default position is always your up to no good - unless there's some way to audit this across the board Your not entitled to "trust us bro" anymore

He's talking about how long it takes to get a new mission after already having one, not about how to get one in the first place. See the question he's replying to 'when will I get a new mission'. It depends on the mission but it's around 1-3 days. Sometimes actually a Mission can be used multiple times so it's instant, you already have it.

It's pretty cool a former mod likes the site enough to still come to hang out on the Discord, the community there is great and unique to poker, you don't see this with GG/ACR. And you don't see low level employees on other sites bother to come and give their personal opinion on 2+2 either. CoinPoker is going to keep growing imo, there's obviously some issues as with any site but overall it's a great place to play.

Plus we sort things out for players really fast when they're on there, this is one guy you screenshotted on X as if he was unhappy, but he isn't. The email support sometimes isn't great but they're improving that in August with a premium support option, and if players do come to Discord they get better support as well.

You didn't strike any nerve with me James . You're playing this game fast and loose with someone (me) who has zero to lose. And every day you just cause more issues for your business - and your too dumb to see that

Ok mods removed it but I screenshotted it for the record he doxxed my picture, full name with surname, home town, work / university etc. and more just over an argument about a poker site that's optional to play on.

Public interest James my boy - your engaged in promoting criminal activity I'm just being a good citizen and friend of the U.K. / Thai people

The surname / pic of face / hometown and other bits aren't on X, where are you claiming those are or where have I referred to those in our interactions? Can you clarify, that's not correct, and that was clear doxxing so you're engaged in criminal activity, if anyone.

Oh yes they are James everything exactly the same as was on here
You put all that info in the public domain and linked it to your nefarious activities/ promotion to others to engage in , a criminals "handbook" such as it was

Additional info was posted, perhaps mods can confirm.

YOU Put it all out there
You wrote the "criminals handbook" and linked Jspill on 2+2 in that
The article about your physics degree etc (which you mentioned in this very thread) linked directly to your linkeldn
I'm not one bit concerned about "doxing" allegations it didn't happen - guys like you need a bit of time in a cell , lets you reflect on your life choices . Or even ejected from foreign lands and back to the U.K. , there's a guy with 25 yrs as a top HMRC investigator who you seemed to have pissed off lately taking a very keen interest in you - I think he may even come out of "retirement" for one last job

You've put something in quotation marks that I didn't say or write, I wrote bog standard advice from expat forums, about doing visa runs in Asia and how to get approved on poker sites back in the day when they PokerStars used to require a utility bill and proof of residence / bank account to continue playing in Asia. It's been online for nearly 20 years and ranks well in Google, no one ever seemed to mind except you.

If you mean TeddyD I don't think he's quite as vindictive as you.

Deal with the Thai's I'm sick listening to you

Thailand had it's first poker tournament nearly a year ago actually, a WPT branded event, the laws may slowly be changing somewhat, similar to the recent marijuana legislation there (not that I'm into that just an example) many there seem to think it's an economic benefit / personal choice now, although it's not yet finalized.

Well then your good nothing to worry about - rest easy wee man

And just remember James you've been with Clickout for a long time now - you know that company and people linked with pointing childrens/cancer charities websites to Gambling sites , intimidation of journalists etc etc . Don't be coming with the crocodile tears if you finally FAFO
"No one ever seemed to mind" - no one ever does. until they do

And the real kicker in all of this . the stuff your forcing will probably affect those outside of Coin in the same space, Operators and Players - collateral damage on down the road with Regulators/Authorities - so don't any of you expect to have any friends in the community you so cherish - you brought it on

Can we stop this argument now, please? It's getting a bit too personal and seemingly vindictive.

Transparency, doxxing someone anywhere on the internet isn't a good look for anyone. Whether personal information is out there somewhere or not, please do not gather such and post it here.

Thank you.

It got "personal" when libellous allegations were made that I "threatened to kill 2+2 mods" (which didn't seem to require any moderation here despite repeated requests). and the continual twisting of my words instead of just answering valid questions - so anyone wants to go back and read over the thread from the start that's where it got "personal" - and when it goes like that the gloves come off . As for the "not a good look" . I'll live
James decided to put himself in this , unfortunately he didn't realise it wasn't going to be his decision if/when he got out of it
I'll keep it reasonable here but that's my position

Oh and I'm always reasonable . to a point but that threat to kill allegation went too far

cant be arsed reading back through all the arguments in this thread but this line stood out a touch....""average reg winrate is probably anywhere from -6bb/100 to -4bb/100"
what the actual ****!? Do people realise how utterly insane and outright wrong that is for any poker site lol Thats not even vaugely close to being an ok thing!

The error rate of mined hands I downloaded vs my actual results was about 6bb/100 off over 250k hands, so it can be quite inaccurate. I'm sure most miners are using H2N, which always had some issues on Coin, and exacerbated the issue.

It's too high, for sure, but the average reg is almost always losing at every site on every stake. I think stars regs are averaging at about -3bb/100 (Or at least they were a couple years ago, I haven't checked for what the last couple years winrates have been). Coin used to be better, with the average reg losing at about -2bb/100.

Also, just to be clear to anyone reading into anything I'm saying, I'm not defending Coin in any way. I have personally moved off of the site, I have bitched and moaned so much in the Coin discord that they banned me, and I was the person who first posted about the new rake structure on the discord and posted across several other poker channels the night before the rake free month started and the site's rake page was updated. I vehemently oppose the changes that have been made to the site and hope, but do not expect, for a reversal in trajectory for the site.

@lorenzo
You dont come across as jumping to defend CoinPoker and I think you have delivered some good points in favor and against CoinPoker, so dont worry about that

I do disagree with the part that the average reg is always losing at every site on every stake. I dont think thats true. If you filter top100 volume players for most other sites the results are very very different than that of coinpoker. On the lower raked site and stakes a lot of them are winning pre rakeback. Which should always be the incentive at the cash game tables, to make winning so scarce people have to rely on rakeback is just not poker to me.

I've also had different experiences with downloaded hands, while they miss volume, I have often found them to be quite accurate with actual results. But of course there is variance in that too (I for one that didnt have the tracker issues that misses out a bunch of hands)

@Trans
Let say you have a good and factual case in your argument with jspill
How on earth do you think it makes you look good doxing personal information, even if its available on other sites?
I take an interest in this thread but the true facts and story of it all is so hard to follow with all the unrelated personal vendetta inbetween. Not to mention, it creates the idea that you are more vindictive than factual and I am sure a lot of other unbiased readers feel the same.
So its doing the narrative you want us to understand nothing good and people you want to convince of something are actually checking out because of it.
Which is truly a shame if you have a solid case.

@Slugant

I think the issue with the site used here is that the hands I downloaded from them sometimes the tracker didn't track the Run it Twice boards correctly, and didn't credit the second pot to either player's winnings. I haven't looked at the exact dataset purchase and don't know if that issue was still present, but it was when I bought hands from them ~November of last year.

All sites is definitely hyperbole, but Coin regs have always averaged a losing winrate as a whole, even when rake was competitive. Ante plays a part in it, but mostly just the reg-fish ratio, which has always been particuarly bad on Coin.

I agreed with that coin regs where always averaging a losing winrate but I have found it to be true that most regs on other sites are winning. And datamining sites confirm this.

And yes, missing out on RiT hands gives a very skewed image because its missing out on a lot of big pots