Rebuilding an online roll at 1/2 Online Vegas PLO

Are you trying to convince the forum or yourself that you’re a good player? You’re a 1/2 player and former high stakes spot, who decided to play Phil galfond at nosebleeds willingly. Keep your dealer job buddy.

Waited 10 years to make this first post. Thanks for the chuckle lol.

Comparing Nov and Dec All in EVs.

Very slight improvement month over month for my average All in equity% (1.2% improvement). Playing slightly larger pots for all ins than in November and my average EV for these spots has increased about 8% month over month. Don't think I've made any adjustments to my normal all in stack off strategies so nothing much to report there. One thing to note is that I played 261 all ins in November but only have 140 in December but my EV line is catching up rather quickly this month to the previous month's.

Multiway all ins I definitely feel like I've made significant adjustments and improvements from the previous month. Low sample size could just be noise but a 3% equity improvement for the main pot overall feels justified. I'm sticking it in preflop a lot less frequently with bad AA and finding more preflop spots vs double AAxxxx players with triple suited trash runs.

In november I played 65 all ins with Expected Value at 3.3k and this month, I've reached that amount at only 40 all ins. Very small edge improvements in stack off spots should have a significant effect on overall bottom line here.

PLO6 Calculator project

When traffic is slow, I've been making attempts at creating a combinatorics calculator for PLO. I would like to input a specific hand into this calculator and see the frequency at which that hand is able to flop hand categories like flushes, boats, straights, wraps...etc. For anyone who is familiar with a very old program back in the day called Flopzilla for NLHE, something along those lines. Been using some ChatGPT to guide me a bit through the excel and combinatorics formula process but as the spreadsheet gets more and more complex, the more and more errors that build up so I'm currently stuck on differentiating straight classes (nuts vs 2nd nuts vs 3rd nuts on flop). Might be stuck here for a bit til I figure out some functions in excel that involves arrays but I feel like I understand the logic behind what needs to happen in the calculations.

This is the sheet in progress and currently the output % for flopped straights are throwing me off. It's a lot more complicated than it looks on the surface as you have to define what exactly a straight is, and then figure out how to take 2 cards from your hand and make it fit into one of the 10 potential straight sequences and the final probability is calculated out of all potential straights your hand can make divided by all potential flop board combinations. I have several other worksheets that are referenced that list out all the straight combinations and give each straight a unique ID so that I don't double count certain combos...all in all its a huge headache and I wish there was just something on the market that did this for me so if anyone knows, this might save me a ton of effort. Some googling led me to a paid calculator from a site called grinder's vault and it seems to be focused on 6 card but looking at screenshots of it, it doesn't seem to do what I want here. Also, it looks quite pricey.

I've tried using PPT Odds Oracle for this but its a little bit limited and I'd want to get more specific. It can tell me how often a hand can flop a straight but I want to get more detailed like wraps, or wrap + flush draws etc. Also, PPT seems to do randomized (600000 hands) trials instead of exhaustive which I'd prefer.

Nice improvements!

In PPT, you can change that 600k trials in file->preferences

I would be interested off that calculator idea what u are building up. I think it should be done by simulating hands like PPT does it (and many others)

There is mobile app called "Poker Geek Odds Pro" (at least for android) where you can see possible hand class outcome %. This app also includes 7c plo for future lol...

Anyway, IMO this calculator program should not be made in Excel. If u are going to simulate million trials, it could be done in Excel with VBA but those are just so.. Not for this. Maybe python would be way to go or something. Lets see if I dive into this project also

Unfortunately I'm have very little experience with coding and am only ok at excel so that's the program I choose to work with. Will put this project on the back burner for now tho until I feel motivated to fire it up again. I will check out the Poker Geek Odds thing some time.

7 Star
I finally got approved for 7 star. I had gone to the rewards desk to have them push my application and after 3 weeks into december, it was still pending. I visited the host office at caesars and they seemed to blow me off after checking my play and seeing that I was a poker player. I only was showing 1 day of slots where I was doing a 5x multiplier to get my final few points for 7 star and I think I had lost like 1.3k in video poker that day but the guy there basically told me he would email the people who looked at the approval process but I probably didn't have enough play at the tables/slots.

I then went around playing a bunch of AP slots with my buddy who was showing me some +EV machines and won about $150 doing that all afternoon/evening. Then I went to the rewards desk again and whined to the lady there that it had been 3 weeks and my 7 star still hadn't gone through. She genuinely looked concerned about it and she said she would see what she could do. I waited at the desk for about 10 minutes while she was going back and forth from the back office doing who knows what and at the end she told me it would take maybe 3-5 days and that I should get approved. Of course, I didn't believe her but the very next day, I check my app and I'm now 7 star. That lady was incredible.

Moral of the story, if you're trying to get 7 star through online poker, just play a little bit of slots and then keep whining to different people at caesars until they give it to you.

2025 Results
I actually have been playing live poker the last 3 days. I fired 2 bullets into a venetian $400 double board bomb PLO MTT and had a blast even though I bricked. Never played that kind of tourney before and I think I'll play one every time I see it running.

Next day, I played a 1/2/5 PLO session at the Wynn since I had to drop off my work clothes and had a nice short session win for +1.1k

Today I played what will likely be my last session of the year at Venetian...another 1/2/5 PLO game where I had a modest win of +350ish.

There was a little drama with WSOPonline starting Christmas day as there seemed to be a glitch where they cut everyone's rakeback by 40% so I was semi-boycotting the site but this morning, they seemed to have awarded everyone the missed rakeback and everyone is earning levels like normal. I'm still gonna take tomorrow off and avoid the chaos of the strip and NYE. Probably gonna just take some edibles and get high, but I also have a quick morning acupuncture session. Doesn't seem to be doing that much for my leg so I dunno about this whole thing. May give it 1-2 more attempts. Leg is still numb when I walk but I guess the sharp pains have disappeared.

Anyways Online PLO6 Graph for 2025.

I'm pretty happy with these results considering this was all done in around 6-7 months and only up to a stake of 1/2 mostly. If I decide to play more PLO6 next year, I will just fire the 2/5 games since they look basically just as soft as the 1/2 games, online BR management be damned. I was mostly being OCD about finishing my spreadsheet for 2025 with a max stake of 200 PLO6 but it's kind of a stupid self-restriction.

LIVE 2025 cash results:

Live cash I was pretty happy with my volume, but my results felt a bit lackluster. I saw I had good volume but this was actually just 3.5 months of grinding. I did 350 hours in January, 290 hours in February, took most of march off, and then did 250 hours on my florida trip mid april-end of may. The bulk of my vegas play was short stacking... and I don't think I did very well buying in short because I seem to turn into an absolutely stackoff whale when I'm short. I don't think I have the patience to short stack the PLO games and I just can't help punting with a short stack in a live setting for some reason. Next year, if I play live, I will just stick to my regular full buy in stacks.

Made like maybe 4k from dealing...meh...

Stocks were solid this year. Maybe around +50-70k from stocks but I'm just ballparking. Won't really know exact number til april tax season rolls around. Speaking of which, I'm building positions now in AMZN, NFLX, CP, VICI, and still holding and adding on to my ABX (formerly ABL) and CCOI positions. 2026 could be an interesting year for stocks with a potential new Fed chair and supreme court ruling on tariffs. I'm bracing for some potentially violent swings in the market.

2026 Plans
Kind of want to take it easy on the poker next year. I plan on traveling around. Maybe visit my cousins in Asia. I have 3 cousins and they live in South Korea, China, and Japan so might hit up all 3 countries. My sister just got married and is planning to move and buy a house in Michigan and I wanna crash at their place for a month to try MGM Detroit and Pokerstars/Bet MGM in michigan. Kind of want to go back to Florida for a month again and grind some Live PLO or maybe try out Legends in Houston, TX since a buddy of mine keeps inviting me there.

I dunno. Don't really have much responsibilities or anything tying me down and it's probably time for me to get out of the house a bit more so I'll probably cut back a bit on the online PLO6 grind...but maybe not. I don't even know if I'll update this thread very much after this.

I guess we'll see what 2026 brings and take it one day at a time.

Happy New Years everyone.

Definitely add the Atlantis Bahamas trip (https://www.caesars.com/myrewards/partne...) to your itinerary next year now that you are 7 Stars.

January results
I didn't play much poker in January. According to my steam client, I apparently played close to 190 hours of video games lol I got addicted to a game called enshrouded so thats where the bulk of my time went. ...Hopefully got most of that out of my system and can go back to grinding but we'll see. Still ended up with 85 hours of PLO6, and pretty bad results. Finally started throwing in 2/5 tables and ran absolutely god awful at that stake.

All in EV
All together, I'm running a whooping -$6k under all in ev. I've track 3 different sections, one for HU 1/2 PLO6, one for HU 2/5 PLO6, and one for multiway (both stakes).

Ironically, I'm getting it in insanely good at 2/5 (68% avg all in equity is insane) compared to 1/2 but I've just been losing a ridiculous amount of 80%+ large pot equity spots there so its a bit annoying.

Since keeping track...

Nov HU AIEV: +903
Nov MW AIEV: -2057
Dec HU AIEV: +748
Dec MW AIEV: +118
Jan HU AIEV: -4399
Jan MW AIEV: -1623

Random hands

Some people are just super confident in how nitty i am lol. Flop I bet and he called. Turn went xx, river he potted and i small raise bluff and he SNAP shows and folds T4 lol. Correct fold b/c i'll probably have it here like 80%+ of the time but his river pot lead is just bad imo.

Some spots I play just like an absolute nit and feel embarrassed. Flop went xx, turn I bet 75% and he called, river I checked and he potted and I just had this sick feeling so I just called and he has JJ9643 with J6ss heh. I'd be annoyed if I were him.

This one is at 100 PLO6 so arguably harder to hero fold since the lower stake players are more spazzy.

Flop BB pots and UTG calls and I just call with the nuts here.

Turn BB pots again and UTG calls again and at this point I feel like I gotta be beat here against T9 but since a 3rd player is in, I actually feel like the flatter has a very high frequency of straight flushes here. I have Tx and BB should also have Tx (mostly T9) so that should leave the last guy with straight flushes logically so I fold.

River, BB pots and UTG shovels it in and BB snaps massively overplaying his hand.

Feb goals

-Play more than 120 hours online which is only 30 hours a week. Still light-ish volume for me but I don't wanna be a lazy bum.

-Maybe game select 2/5 more instead of reg battling, even though I just ran super bad there and it didn't actually have much to do with game quality.

-Lift consistently. Lifted twice in January and I wanna get back into it

-Play tennis at least twice a week. My cardio is trash. I need to go outside and touch grass.

-Play live poker a few times. (optional)

Cumulative PLO6 results

Hi Guccisuit/Frank/Zefa,

I'm a regular winning player in your player pool in WSOP who was inspired by your reddit post to return to online poker. I've been playing both in person and online for a number of years and I've noticed some suspicious activity over the last month or so by one particular player in the pool. This player has seem to run incredibly +EV, in particular in multiway all in spots, and often shows up on the river after calling down/putting big money in with borderline nonsense type hands that get there what seems like an abnormally high amount of the time. In my years playing, I'm not sure I've seen someone run it up as consistently and as significantly as this player, especially while not seeming to play particularly well, other than being ridiculously aggressive. I was wondering if you noticed anything similar or had any thoughts, or whether I am just being paranoid. I figure that you probably know the player that I am referring to, so feel free to send me a pm if you want to discuss any further or have any thoughts you don't want to post publicly on here.

I've actually talked to quite a few players in the plo6 pool who all have their suspicions of certain players and almost all of them turn out to be duds for the most part. I think they like to reach out to me to get my thoughts since I probably have some of the most volume in the 200 PLO6 pool and I feel like I have a very good feel for almost every player in the pool.

Before I tracked my all ins manually, I actually would be very paranoid about several players in the pool because they always seemed to win or run unbelievably good against me. Once I started recording every all in and analyzing the data, including all in data for very specific players, I realized it was just bias on my part and nothing out of the ordinary ever stuck out over a large sample size. Several of the players I thought were fishy ended up just being aggro gamble whales and some of them went on long breaks due to being busto or just moved way down in stakes as their god runs were unsustainable long term.

In an earlier post, I had mentioned one particular player who always seemed to win vs me. Tracking his all ins filtered for 4 bet pots preflop, over the course of 2 months, he went 9 for 9 against me in these spots which is statistically absurd. But he's terrible and just completely gives it away in all other spots and I think he ended up near busto because his hot streak ended and he plays very sparingly now.

The biggest offenders of making people suspicious are the hyper aggro players who stack off with a ton of draws or just 3 bet constantly preflop. They have many days where they build massive stacks but are also in for 3-5 buy ins at every table. When they lose these 600bb+ pots, no one seems to notice, but when they win and are sitting on heaps, a lot of people accuse them of foul play, particularly because they do play quite badly.

I'm not sure which player you are referring to but I probably have 3 guesses given your description and I can't DM you anyways since you're a new poster so I'll go ahead and speculate here:

Omega: very 3 bet heavy during certain moods, and stacks off often questionably with some draws. he definitely has run up stacks and sun ran vs me in the past but I've also gone on runs where I've completely wiped him out. I very much doubt he is cheating/colluding and he's just a very aggressive and gambly player.

F1gangster: super aggro heavy 3 bettor similar to Omega. I almost never lose to him so if he is cheating, he's very bad at it. But I don't think he's cheating at all.

NFLNinja: not as aggro preflop as he used to be, and makes plays that may look bad sometimes but I actually think the field probably massively underrates him. Pretty aggro and annoying postflop and tough to play against. He wins an absurd amount of multiway all ins and I personally think he runs better in those spots than any other player. Very highly doubt he is cheating/colluding as he will also play HU with anyone in the field.

honorable mention: CartierSntos: Mega god tier aggro player. I don't think cheating whatsoever. He's gone on insane runs where he runs it up every day for weeks. And I've seen him also get absolutely slaughtered daily playing the way he does. He's the player responsible for the session where I had over 94 all ins in a single day lol.

If you're talking about a different stake pool, there's also players who are similar to DirtyBacon who's main objective is to try and run it up every single day by aggro gambling each spot. He basically used to build 600BB+ stacks on every single table but his strategy imo is unsustainable and I assume losing. People who don't play close attention might think he's a huge winner/cheater but I'm positive he's just in for infinite buy ins at almost every table. to try and build it up.

There is not a single player in the pool currently that I strongly suspect of cheating/colluding. There is 1 player I very lightly suspect of questionable usage of WSOP accounts but nothing serious enough for now to get anxious about. A few months ago there was a player in the pool I have very strongly suspected of being the same player as 2 other accounts (though not multi-accounting as they were never online at the same time) and their play styles were almost identical. I believe you can have different account names depending on which state you're playing in but this player had jumped accounts multiple times in the same day so unless he was teleporting from PA to NJ to MI in 30 min, I think he was abusing his multiple account screen names. Anyways, all 3 of the accounts disappeared from the plo6 pool at the same time so maybe WSOP caught them or something who knows.

Thanks for the response and for your openness, I really respect you being willing to discuss these things on a public forum. Sidenote, what have you found is the most efficient way to track all ins and EV, since WSOP doesn't have formatted hand histories, it seems to me that the only option is to do it through screenshots which seems pretty tedious and time consuming.

Regarding the players you brought up, I definitely have some very similar thoughts. Omega I have tagged as a bad gambling fish, while I've seen him run it up a number of times, he usually gives it all back and then some and his plays are generally terrible. Definitely not cheating. F1 is a bit better than Omega, but not by that much. From what I've seen he has his good days and his bad days and his plays make slightly more sense than Omega, but at times still quite bad.

Cartier is definitely not cheating, just mega aggro and he goes on tilt pretty quickly when things aren't going his way. I've seen the same exact things you've seen out of him.

DirtyBacon is insanely aggressive and likes to gamble, but he's also definitely not a cheater. Whatever he runs up he almost always gives it all back.

NFLNinja is the one I was referring to in my original post, you may have a point in the field underestimating him, I think players have difficulty figuring him out since he's so aggressive its obvious he is bluffing a good amount of the time and he's just as likely to have the nuts as he is a pure airball. The multiway spots from him are the ones that I was particularly suspicious of, especially because it seems to me that he gets it in as a pretty solid underdog in weird spots then seems to hit an abnormal amount of the time. (eg. he calls 3 bet pre, flop comes 446, he's in position, action goes bet, shove, and he calls with a naked QQ type of hand, while the other players have AA and a 4xx and a queen hits what seems like an abnormal amount of the time.) For someone that seems to know the game and what he's doing, he ends up in these spots a lot of the time and they seem to be a big part of how he builds large stacks. Part of what also made me suspicious is how he and F1 seemed to alter their preflop strategy at the exact time in the exact same way, while playing at many of the same tables and times (may be being a bit paranoid at this point, but it struck me as odd when two of the most aggro, 3/4 bet heavy players go from calling any 3 bet, to folding to >50% of 3 bets at the exact same time.)

Interesting about the one player possibly having multiple account names, I'm not sure how he could do that unless he was using someone else's identity to create the other accounts, but I feel like I have a fair idea of who this player may have been.

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Zefa de goat for sure so inconspicuous and ****.

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Spring-Summer Update
Really haven't been playing much poker. Just got interested in doing a lot of other things. Playing a lot of tennis. Had a month phase where I was learning and grinding AP slots. Had a month of binge gaming (Slay the Spire 2). I made a quick trip out to Atlantic City and I ended up not even playing any poker there, unless you count a 1 hour hit and run session at 1/3 NLHE at Harrah's AC. Just not really feeling the poker grind motivation this year for some reason. Nothing related financially, mentally, or emotionally. Just find poker very boring and I'm biding my time til the urge to grind comes back. Otherwise life is going pretty well. Stock market is back at all time highs off the back of insane AI/datacenter/chip frenzy. I'm still fairly invested in the market though I recently started rotating out of tech defensively. I feel very uneasy about the economy, with the whole hormuz oil crisis, inflation, mortgage rates rising, and the fact that everyone seems to be getting laid off. Just doesn't make any sense to me for S&P to hit all time high though maybe that's just reflecting inflation again. I just bought a bunch of soft water salt pellets from home depot and each bag was around $8.60. It was $6.90 like barely a year ago, and it was under $5 when I moved to vegas 10 years ago. Gas in Vegas is up over $5/gal. Noticed it since I just got back from a month long roadtrip from Texas. Speaking of which....

Houston Poker
Went out to texas for a month in April with my buddy to try and find some motivation to grind and get away from my computer games. Put in pretty piss poor volume... normally i'll grind out 200-300 hours in these scenarios but barely eeked out 100 hours.

The games were 1/3/6/15(mandatory btn straddle) PLO 4 card. Ran so bad but whatever. 100 hours is like 2000 hands and given how I started and ran, I'm pretty happy to be only stuck 2300. My buddy also started stuck 9k early on but he then recovered and went on like a 20k+ upswing from there while I just bled every day that I played. Played at Houston Social where there's a ton of PLO action and very little NLHE action. I was a fan of the game quality...the people... not so much lol. Sammy Farha particularly comes off as an awful human being and I'll just leave it at that.

Literal 1st day I got in, I got 1 outted twice in the same day. So i was stuck almost 8k after 2 sessions and the all ins pretty much never really went my way during the entire trip. I seem to recall only going 50%or better in all ins for only 2 of my sessions the entire trip. A few key HHs.

Hand1 from session 1
I have A♥A♣xx in a bomb pot and the top board is 8♠3♠3♥ and bottom is A♦J♦J♣ and I end up getting it all in for like 2k heads up on the flop against another guy with A♠J♠XX and the bottom immediately comes the last J♥ and he makes a flush on top so I get scooped by a 1 outer. Welcome to Houston.

Hand2 from session 1
Don't recall exact preflop action but the flop is Q♦T♦4♠ and we get it in 3 ways on the flop with QQT8. Up against AA♦9♦6 and 44xx. Run twice and top board runs out A for AA to win, and bottom board runs out T4 for 44 to make quads. 3.5k Pot.

Hand 3...Biggest pot I played in houston
I raise A♦A♥K♥3♦ to 80, tight player (800 deep) on my left makes it 275, Action player (6.6k effective with me) cold calls, and I minimum reraise to 470... tight player jams 800 which reopens the action for me, Action player calls, and I pot to like 3350 and he calls.

Flop ($7500): Q♣ 8♦ 2♠
he rips the remaining 3k and I call off and we run it once and I lose to JT87 single suit to a river 7. 13.5k pot. Tight player had K♣J♠9♣9 ♠ I recall he told me. Or it was KKJ9, I don't remember exactly.

Hand 4: Don't bluff whales?
Preflop I make it 75 on the btn with AK♠KT and it goes 5 ways.

Flop (375): A♠Q♥4♠
I bet 200 with the naked K♠ and BB calls

Turn (775): 3♠
I bet 550 and he calls

River (1875): 5♣
I bet 1500. BB starts showing his hand to the guy next to him and complains I'm the biggest nit at the table (true). He's a few drinks in and I found out later on the trip that when he's drinking, he's a pretty big donator, otherwise, he plays decent. He goes "F it, merry christmas here you go" and slams in the call and I tell him he's good. He flips over T♠3♠

Sigh.

I ended up short buying for most of the trip after that because 1. It's more fun to rip wide preflop, 2. I didn't feel like making a bank trip to withdraw more money for the trip, 3. I wanted to see if my luck turned around before buying in for 2k+ again but it never really did til the last few days.

Anyways, I just got back into vegas after a 22 hour drive back from Houston. and I'm about to head out to Cali to stay with a friend for up probably a little over a month and a half. Gonna miss the entirety of WSOP summer but I never cared for WSOP tournaments anyways and Wynn didn't put me on the schedule this year for the summer series at my request. So gonna be another couple months of no poker I guess unless I'm in the mood to hit up some of the casinos from time to time in LA. May hop back in and update the thread if some more poker happens, we'll see.

We’re young enough to wait out any market crashes. I hear international is the move now.

2026 poker result & volume has been mediocre thus far for me as well.. poker dread feeling is worst for me when I visit casino to grind live games. Maybe it's all due to stock market performance 😀 I missed the semi stock run.. ended up buying MSFT dip and little space sector instead. Also don't forget about the Space stocks.. they been killing it as well. As the other guy mentioned, International is killing it, especially South Korean market.. their entire sp500 market double this year due to memory stocks. Heard the majority of the country is doing stock options! Looking at historically, the correction is due at this point and I think it will be ugly one.. I don't know where to hide in the market currently 😉

Yea I sold a bunch of my positions a bit too early in the run up. AVGO and MU were my two biggest misses when I sold to lock in profit and they kept skyrocketting. I even had ASTS for fun because of market hype and sold for quick profit around 70-80 and now its blown up to 100+ lol. I think space stocks are only pumping around the spacex ipo which im not touching. The whole thing reeks of BS. Starlink is the only part of spacex that makes money, i think it profitted 5B, last year… and then its clumped with xAI, and rockets which just torch money. 1.75 trillion ipo valuation on that is a joke. They changed the rules for these ipos so they’ll be included in the indexes with much lower standards and barely any share float so everyone’s 401ks will auto buy this garbage just so elon can become the first trillionaire. I don’t trust it but I wont be surprised either if it pumps for an unreasonable amount of time. Im currently at about 20% cash/sgov, and have a large position in brkb and a few other defensives in case the market euphoria finally comes to its senses.

hahaha lol we all hit and miss. I missed out on MU.. really wanted to start a position but due to memory cyclical.. I chickened and went safer route with MSFT dip. Yea that's my thought process as well with SpaceX.. It's similar to OpenAI where they profit 5-10B/yr and their market cap IPO is going for 1 Trillion+. Elon is trying to dump 30% into the retail market and I think after 2 weeks it will auto join the Nasdaq and S&P500 where all the 401ks and VOO holder will have no choice but to hold it.. just like Tesla where the company doesn't make any $$. There are a lot of Elon Cult follower so I wouldn't be surprise as well if it ends up pumping. I bought ASTS (SpaceX Proxy) few weeks ago just for the SpaceX hype and I am getting out of the position in 2 weeks when SpaceX IPO is launched! Hopefully it will keep pumping! Yea brkb might be the hiding place... I don't think it crashes as much SP500 when there is crash in the past.