The "LOLCANADA" thread...again

I am. It's a step in the right direction and hope we continue this trend. More people leaving, less people coming in. Perfect.

Time for the boomers(sorry Uke) to start paying off their debts. Can't borrow from our future continuously and never pay back.

Geez, even his own staff hates him.

Colonel Homer
**** Rodeo Liberace

The rest of the world would laugh at us if this clown ever takes the helm.

Its the Calgary Stampede and that outfit is fine as long as it did not include white Sunglasses .

Though nothing will ever top Justin Trudeau and his family in Indian attire or painting his body black and stuffing a banana down his pants. His staff(unamed source) had to talk him out of the sombrero when he went to Mexico

For any Canadian outside a one hour radius of Calgary… that is 1,000% not ok.

Hell, most Calgarians are laughing at it… and they voted for him.

I think the man should step down but I do think he was referring to Trudeau's announcement of

I mostly am laughing at him line by line parroting MAGO with the "warrior culture not woke culture" in the military wearing that get up while Carney is announcing multi billion dollar submarine deals. What a buffoon.

Lmao what on earth is lozen dredging up this old story about land minds for? So random. And also so like....benign? Clearing landmines in ukraine is a really, really good thing and it's work women can absolutely do while so many young men in the country are drafted into fighting roles. Seems like win win win but because it is something about gender I guess lozen and fox news get upset about it and start randomly talking about it years later?

Why are we getting subs? they are useless in the artic and in general were never gonna use em. get us some ice breakers. its just not a good use of funds we will never be a naval power all investment should be for artic control. Even after we get these subs The us china and russia will have 100x are soft power in the water heck maybe even denmark. What's the point.

Also the other bid koreans were gonna spend 400 million in northern Ontario steel. they choose the other guys who won't bring the jobs the other order would have le sign.

"Hanwha signed an additional memorandum last month with the mill, along with Canada's Automotive Parts Manufacturers Association, to use Canadian steel in armoured vehicle manufacturing"

“The Hanwha bid had a clear northern Ontario benefit to it in terms of the money that was going to go to Algoma Steel. That’s unfortunate for the region for sure,” he said.

What on earth are we going to use attack submarines for? The only Navy that could threaten us is the US because they won't let anyone near our shared island. It is not like we are going to go commerce raiding. Are we gonna raid inferior navy's like trinada or Quebec for plunder

I generally think - particularly after Ukraine - that NATO countries should have a strong well-integrated military that is able to respond to threats around the world and not rely 100% on the US for everything. I think submarines are absolutely part of that. \

Both bids had the two companies spending billions of dollars that would support various Canadian industries. They didn't completely line up, so no matter which bid you would go for there was going to be some industry that could have gotten money but didn't.

I mean I understand your point but we unlike Europe can never escape the American yoke. We share an island with them Europe is a different continent. Pretty much what your saying is I want to pay for subs so europe can escape the american yoke. I have no faith in europe protecting are sovereignty after laughing at us as we got tariffed. then got tariffed 3 months later.

I don't think country's like germany poland or turkey have much future as are allies they are more worried about their east border then their west border. at best we can get some common wealth alliance going. Im biased that cost my city 400 million. politicians love money going to toronto and montreal.

There's just no scenario where nato would protect us from the united states anytime soon imo as we saw with the tarrifs. We didn't even get a single statement from a nato leader condemning the untied states actions from what I remember

Oh nobody thinks this. The claim isn't that the US will physically attack us or that we could hope to defend that. THat has nothing at all to do with buying subs today so if that is your measuring stick your measuring stick is silly and everything will indeed fail to measure up on it. If instead the goal is for Canada to have a positive influence, together with NATO, then these make a lot more sense.

My position on this has shifted over the last decade in abit. I used to be a pacifist. I used to think Canada should have a minimal military capable of like arctic rescues and being able to drop in for humanitarian support around the world. But starting with south ossetia and then crimea/donbas and finally the full ukranian war, I've decided that a strong multi-polar world is important and Canada should be part of that. Right now the US has abandoned the defense of Ukraine. It is up to Europe and Canada now. Just recently Canada sent another big tranche of desperately needed air defense systems, which I applaud. I think Trudeau made the right call to double Canadian military spending and Carney the right call to double it again. But those arguments have nothing to do with defending ourselves from the united states.

"The claim isn't that the US will physically attack us or that we could hope to defend that"

well they will already have to defend anything that threatens us. because it threatens them. and they already have 1000x the military so what's the point in investing into it.

Any sub we buy is wasted money because the united states controls our coast and oceans and will always control our coast and oceans. Either they bully us or protect us and its completely out of our control 12 subs won't make a difference either way you beat them in other ways like by making their population against a Canadian invasion which is honestly the only reason trumps flag is not hanging over in ottawa. . I don't mind supporting a country like Ukraine monetarily or making them weapons but our military is never going to make a difference in our life or our children's lives. I think an elite force for special operations and coast gaurd/ ice breakers is all we should have. Like what do we need a tank sub or a f35 for. The only reason to have those is political to appease other countrys and not for conventional warfare.

Just give it all to Ukraine so we don't have to pay the pointless maintenance fees. If the geopolitical world changes where we can make a difference we can revaluate similar to how Germany/Switzerland and to a lesser extent Japan approached it. We have one border and they spend like 40% of the global military spending or something absurd like that its pointless

The real question you should be asking is what took them so long and is 12 enough. Anything else is just gibberish fueled by ignorance.

You can do both and Canada is doing both. Canada is investing, quite heavily, in drones. Both in research and domestic manufacturing.

--All else being equal it isn't the worse thing in the world to spend a little money like this for political reasons. And there are much worse countries than Germany to choose as a partner.

--Something else to keep in mind is that for various reasons the current global order is falling apart and deglobalization is occurring. "Western" nations should be adjusting for a future where they cant reliably outsource all their manufacturing to far away places like China and India, and should take measures to localize manufacturing as much as possible. Deals like this with nations like Germany, where the commitment is to localize the supply chain as much as possible, are a step towards this. And once manufacturing capacity is built up for military reasons, it is easier to pivot to civilian use too.

--Of course it would be infinitely better for everyone if this was all coordinated with the United States; but for the obvious political reasons Canada isn't doing that right now. Although I suspect there must have been some blessing given at some level by the US MIC. Regardless of rhetoric and current tensions at the political level, I dont think we have reached the point where nations like Canada and Germany are undergoing major military projects with no blessing given by the US MIC.

Still trying this tired old **** aren't you?

This is both delusional and denial. This is the inevitable outcome of fading soft power. You're watching a world steering away from the US and will continue to do so, doesn't matter who is in office next.

I do believe subs will be used in the artic. WE also still have to award a contract for planes and I hope they stay clear of the F35

I think it is a left or right issue. Take the USA many democratic socialist candidates are cutting for a massive hit to defense spending

The reality is that China will be a dominant military power . I saw a clip with Mike Rowe and he mentioned last year the USA built three ships while China built a 1000

South Korea has developed a great military manufacturing element that Canada would be a better partner than Germany

Kudos to Carney ( Stephen Harper 2.0) for meeting the 2% . Though I think the 5% is crazy

Also credit were credit is due. Without Trump we would never see every country hit 2%

Ya when it comes to naval production choosing Germany over south korea is a choice . One is inventing island data centers and the world leader in ship production outside of china and the united states the other are pacificist with barely any ports. Its acually quite mind boggling when korea offered more local canadian.

But na lets restart the u boat program from scratch

I find it fascinating the way you make these judgement calls. How on earth could you - or anyone ITT - be able to accurately evaluate the relative advantages of disadvantages of germany vs south korea? Like is this just pure vibes?

Another geopolitics expert. Yet anyone who studies the war in Ukraine like I do would know that Germany military systems are absolutely excellent and they have been one of europe's absolute leaders in supporting Ukraine.

Like do you really not think the government consider these brilliant logical points you are raising?

Well there have been many takes on it from even CBC news on how advanced South Korea is compared to the rest of the world just go on you tube and educate yourself. South Korea is delivering will see if Germany meets the schedule

Amazing how your an expert on everything. Not sure how Canada having subs benefits the Ukraine

Here is a reality check Europe should be aiding Ukraine a 100% with no help from the USA or Canada

Would we extend this logic to Canada and Mexico should be the only ones aiding US in any of its future endeavors? Perhaps EU can get its people + money back from Iraq and Afghanistan?

Huh? My claim is that neither you nor I have the knowledge to truly adjudicate whether Germany or South Korea was the better choice. The one acting like an expert confidently claiming Carney is wrong is you. I'm saying you can't possibly know that. Maybe all you are doing to confidentally reguritating the take from someone else online.

This is more or less equivalent to saying NATO shouldn't exist - that if a conflict isn't on our doorstep Canada and the US shouldn't be involved. I think Trump is making a horrible mistake cutting off aid to Ukraine and commend Canada for sending huge swath's of our military equipment to the conflict.

I have not said Carney is wrong I have commended Harper 2.0 for achieving the 2 % . I have said in my opinion I thought South Korea is the better choice . That is my personal opinion based on the rabbit holes I have dived down

Note to Professor Uke Ukraine is not part of NATO. Are we involved in Sudan or Yemen?

Lmao at contradicting yourself one sentence letter.

lol at the things you feel like pointing out as if I don't know.

Ok why do we not support Sudan or Yemen?

If I said Carney should not have bought the subs than I would be saying he is wrong . Saying I think buying them from another country is a better choice is different