The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition
Bad beats are part of the game. I understand that. But after absorbing more than my fair share on Poker Stars I switched
Looks who woke up from his wintersleep.
Unfortunately the brain is still in deep sleep :p
And very lol at "well documented opinion" when literally never attached even 1 piece of evidence, just a fairy tale story about the craziest situations.
Situations that funnily enough would take 3 minutes to show to the world and it would be case closed.
Waddy, you accuse others of getting paid but are you getting paid every time you contradict yourself?
Because in that case I do believe you've made money out of poker😃
He never slept, he just hit "Logout" on the Juicetard account and logged in as Schmaddywaddy...common thing among rigturds, deep down they realise that they are unimportant scum so they create more accounts.
Its weird how you say nobody can prove a rig then describe a rig that could be proven extremely easily. You talk about having a well documented opinion yet you post your claim without proof attached. Which according to your post would get you banned yet you have an 13 year old account.You contradict yourself other riggies contradict you.You make up random statistics that you ca
I posted as there was new blood posting their thoughts on their observations of the so called random deck. Interestingly, the 4 or 5 i talked about, turn up to defend immediately, shit scared their income is at risk from exposure... the only reason they hang round these threads.
We know a rig is not easy to prove, a lie you know is a lie.
I posted a quote from Phil Galfond (pro and former owner of a site) previously who when asked about do sites rig, he said it was possible but it would be difficult, but he didnt think any site was doing this. Why didnt he say they are not rigged, because it would be really easy to prove like you claim? A much more comprehensive answer, if he thought this. But he doesnt, because seeing as he developed his own site, he could conclusively prove this 'really easy' point with the IT guys he had available to him.
It isnt easy, why would you lie about this, you dont believe this is true.
You then go on to suggest my opinion is not well documented. Try googling 'is poker rigged', see how many options you have to click and how many replies there are to each one. See how many posts there are on here for example. 35% or so who have voted on here (i missed the vote, so maybe 36%) think its rigged.
It is well documented that possible rigging is the biggest issue in online poker. Another glaringly obvious lie from you that it is not.
You then say that i have made up that i face a ban for talking about this. The Moderator will confirm that he has mentioned a ban unless i provide evidence of a rig, something an individual would never have the funds to do. Another lie from you.
You say i have never posted any evidence of multiple day to day BS. You know i can post this. You know i had screenshots of a situation i had where there was only ever one result on one site. I started posting these. Slugant chose to interpret the information completely against what was being said. The Moderator quickly compressed the file so it could not be seen. Its what you guys do. If i posted the 5 ridiculous less then 20% chance rivers i endured just 30 mins ago (id say this was good timing, but any given hour its the same), in one single heads up game, you would dismiss it as variance. Its what you guys do. Could i post ridiculous beats every single day? Sure. Would i be able to do this every single day with a real deck? No. Cos multiple beats are rare, you would do well to see a 3 outer in months with a real deck.
So to they guys who have posted recently, this is what these same guys do, attempt to mock to distract from the truth.
You post thinkin DonJohnnie and Slugant will think you are the greatest put down merchant out there.... believe me, they are embarrassed, thats why they never address you..... being a dim hanger on is not a good look for you
This is perhaps the funniest take ive seen in this thread and its a bloody crowded field! Do remind me to ask for Slugants autograph and perhaps a photo tomorrow. I did not realise he was that famous he had "hangers on" lol. My mistake im sure. There's me thinking he was just a dude named "slugant" on an internet forum!
As it happens i cant be accused of much here as ive literally argued with slugant on this forum and with all due respect havent a bloody clue who the other person is at all. They can both call me a dickhead for all i give a s***.
But Waddy.....your'e a bit mental dude. Take care. And perhaps stop playing a game which you dont agree with, dont like the forums that exist for it and dont believe is clean or fair. Just as a wild idea like. Because otherwise, what exactly is your aim in this thread? Why do you do it? What are you hoping for as an outcome?
Cheers
Teddy
I did what? Link, please.
What you describe is actually very easy to prove. You just refuse to use a tracker because you know very well that the results wont match your tales.
I googled is the earth flat and found a bunch of people who said it was. They didnt show any evidence but were very persistent the earth is flat.
So now I believe... no, now I know the earth is flat
Over 10k votes but you think your single vote will push it from 34.94% to 36%?
Are you either really terrible at math (would make sense) or are you suffering from delusions of grandeur (would also make sense)
Furthermore, why do you think its really telling that 35% of the votes went a certain way but not that 56% (a bigger number) of votes went the opposite way.
Slugant chose to interpret the information completely against what was being said. The Moderator quickly compressed the file so it could not be seen. Its what you guys do. If i posted the 5 ridiculous less then 20% chance rivers
Definitive prove cant be argued against, you just have delivered absolutely nothing.
5 Bad beats... wow, lets close all poker down. Reminds me of my local casino last night.. on the roulette it came in black 7 times in a row!!! What are the chances right, needless to say they had to shut down because the **** must be rigged.
But the funniest thing is your claim that a mod compressed your file so it couldnt be seen, do you make these statements up yourself or does the village idiot help you with them?
Dont worry Wad. You are still the undefeated biggest embarrassment here😉
It clearly has.They have explained it. By showing an RNG certication. You just dont understand anything about it.But I asked you--You've said you believe the RNG is shuffled correctly and fairly.But you dont believe "the game" is fair when it comes to dealing the cards.Be specific, in the process of dealing cards online, what is "the game" to you?Are sites shuffling the decks p
Funny you mention talking out of your arse. Go back and read your original responses to me. You thought that RNG certification meant that outcomes of hands were certified. It doesn't get any more idiotic than that. Thankfully you've caught up after I educated you on what RNG certification actually means.
I don't need to answer any of your questions because I don't run a poker site. If I did, I would have the dealing algorithm certified. The fact that no site ever has should tell you something. But you're too stupid so I'm giving up on you. Enjoy your online slot machine poker.
The sites still make money every day, more than you'll ever make and they don't care about whiny losers like yourself. How does that make you feel?
Why do you care how much money the sites make? Exposed yourself there Slobby.
And I don't play so I feel great. How does that make you feel?
That's a stupid argument. Do you expect every driver to prove that their car is safe to drive? No. It's on the manufacturer to ensure their cars adhere to pre-defined safety standards. Same in the food industry and many others. Only fools want to put the burden of proof for poker sites on to individual players.
No what you are asking for is actually a bit unclear but something along the lines of poker sites disproving every potential imagined and silly rigging theory you come up with.
I am sorry to say thats a ridiculous request.
No. Even if I just prove that there is a mathematical anomaly in the HM (Hold'em Manager) database, nobody is going to care. Absolutely nobody will help me. The only entity that can take action on behalf of a user is a government regulator. In a nutshell, poker is a casino, and the casino can determine exactly how much luck everyone gets with absolute impunity. They have
No people take it very serious when there is an actual anomaly over a significant sample size.
Josem just recently dropped into the thread maybe ask him about that.
I posted as there was new blood posting their thoughts on their observations of the so called random deck. Interestingly, the 4 or 5 i talked about, turn up to defend immediately, **** scared their income is at risk from exposure... the only reason they hang round these threads.
I havent drawn significant income from poker or poker related things in a long time.
If you think anybody is scared of your drivel you are sadly overestimating how much impact your tirades on here have I am affraid.
Most rigs suggested here are very easy to prove. Especially the one I replied to.
You should know that. Weirdly enough you dont.
I posted a quote from Phil Galfond (pro and former owner of a site) previously who when asked about do sites rig, he said it was possible but it would be difficult, but he didnt think any site was doing this. Why didnt he say they are not rigged, because it would be really easy to prove like you claim A much more comprehensive answer, if he thought this. But he doesnt, because
I have no idea why you constantly quote somebody saying he doesn't believe its rigged. Is it possible it is rigged? I suppose there is always an outside chance. Its also possible that there is a type of pig that we havent discovered yet that has the ability to fly. But I very much doubt it.
You are holding on to Phil having said it was in theory possible for there to be a rig like a drowning man to floatsam.
Of course its easy. You say the card distribution is not random. You also claim that is non random to a degree that it creates a big measurable impact on your bottom line. So there has to be meaningful evidence of this in the data you can easily gather.
Now if what you mean by it isnt easy is that you dont understand tracking programs or how to set them up. Than okay yeah i guess it aint easy.
You then go on to suggest my opinion is not well documented. Try googling 'is poker rigged', see how many options you have to click and how many replies there are to each one. See how many posts there are on here for example. 35% or so who have voted on here (i missed the vote, so maybe 36%) think its rigged.
What do you mean by well documented? That there is a non neglectable amount of people who are convinced poker is rigged?
Yes for sure. You will find that in every game. From MTG, to star craft and obviously also poker.
Mostly disgruntled bad losers.
The numbers in the vote in this thread are obviously heavily skewed because:
1. it is mostly frequented by people who are convinced it is rigged.
2. a lot of these people like you tend to have multiple accounts. Many of them have voted for rigged repeatedly.
3. A lot of peole have voted for rigged as a joke.
It is well documented that possible rigging is the biggest issue in online poker. Another glaringly obvious lie from you that it is not.
Thats just straight up made up. Its not even in the top 10.
You then say that i have made up that i face a ban for talking about this. The Moderator will confirm that he has mentioned a ban unless i provide evidence of a rig, something an individual would never have the funds to do. Another lie from you.
So this is nonsense too and you have been called out for it already by Mike so I will leave it at that.
You say i have never posted any evidence of multiple day to day BS. You know i can post this. You know i had screenshots of a situation i had where there was only ever one result on one site. I started posting these. Slugant chose to interpret the information completely against what was being said. The Moderator quickly compressed the file so it could not be seen. Its what you
Yeah you just dont understand variance. We get that.
Again you talk about what you could do and would do but dont because.....
well probably because you make that **** up too.
Listen its okay to lose at poker a a lot of peole do.
So to they guys who have posted recently, this is what these same guys do, attempt to mock to distract from the truth.
You post thinkin DonJohnnie and Slugant will think you are the greatest put down merchant out there.... believe me, they are embarrassed, thats why they never address you..... being a dim hanger on is not a good look for you
I have no Issue with the dude. i think his posts are often a bit rude but then you riggies are annoying clowns so i get it.
No what you are asking for is actually a bit unclear but something along the lines of poker sites disproving every potential imagined and silly rigging theory you come up with.
I am sorry to say thats a ridiculous request.
Do you expect every driver to prove that their model of car is safe? Do you realise how silly you sound?
Do you expect every driver to prove that their model of car is safe? Do you realise how silly you sound?
I am really not sure what your point is.
The car manufacturer goes through testing and gets a certificate of some kind that a car is safe to the local standards.
Now you without any evidence claim that a car is not safe.
What would you expect happens? Nothing happens obviously.
Now if you would come with some actual evidence in that case ther emight be an investigation into whats going on.
But just saying listen i have no evidence, no indicators but i just feel something is off wont get you anywhere with anybody.
Hope that helps clear up some of your confusion.
I am really not sure what your point is.The car manufacturer goes through testing and gets a certificate of some kind that a car is safe to the local standards.Now you without any evidence claim that a car is not safe. What would you expect happens? Nothing happens obviously.Now if you would come with some actual evidence in that case ther emight be an investigation into whats
No you clown, it's the opposite. You shillies are claiming that sites are safe without any evidence to prove it. It's the equivalent of the car industry having no safety standards and people like you telling us there's nothing to worry about. An individual player's HHs are the equivalent of individual drivers in this analogy. They prove nothing.
Why do you care about a rigged deal? Exposed yourself there, Juicetard/Monte.
Why do you care about a rigged deal if you don't even play?! I feel you belong in the nuthouse for life. Did you get a batch of mediocre cocaine again, buddy?
No you clown, it's the opposite. You shillies are claiming that sites are safe without any evidence to prove it. It's the equivalent of the car industry having no safety standards and people like you telling us there's nothing to worry about. An individual player's HHs are the equivalent of individual drivers in this analogy. They prove nothing.
I know you are a bit slow but the safety standard is there.
We have the rng certification and millions and millions of hands that show nothing out of order.
What exactly are you looking for as proof?
safe without any evidence to prove it. It's the equivalent of the car industry having no safety standards and people like you telling us there's nothing to worry about.
The prove is the RNG certificate, you just dont understand it.
Its actually the equivalent of a car manufacturer having a perfectly fine safety standard but its a bit too difficult for you so you reject it and start shouting that all cards are unsafe.
The hands are the outcomes. How can you not get that? The outcome of the dealing process is the dealt cards. And millions and millions of those have been checked. And cleared. Who thought you the stuff you think you know about RNG and its certification, because its just all so wrong. Or did you do your own critical thinking flat earther style.
It shows
I know you are a bit slow but the safety standard is there.
We have the rng certification and millions and millions of hands that show nothing out of order.
🤣 🤣
Go back and read my posts. I explained exactly what RNG certification is and what it's not. Do not write another post in this thread until you understand it.
Proof that the software is dealing a random game, end to end.
The prove is the RNG certificate, you just dont understand it.Its actually the equivalent of a car manufacturer having a perfectly fine safety standard but its a bit too difficult for you so you reject it and start shouting that all cards are unsafe.The hands are the outcomes. How can you not get that? The outcome of the dealing process is the dealt cards. And millions and mill
I used to think you were too stupid to understand what a RNG is. Now I know you're just deliberately lying. See ya 🤡
Go back and read my posts. I explained exactly what RNG certification is and what it's not.
Very much LOL at the word Exactly.
This is literally the most specific you have gotten:
Yes, really what I call an exact explanation 😃
You claim the certification is only on the shuffle but not on "the game" (which is evincibly wrong btw but you wouldnt care about evidence)...
What "the game" entails in the process of dealing cards or how they use a randomly shuffled fair deck to deal unfair cards you have never spoken a word about.
Because its based on nothing, its how you think it works, but you are wrong. And if you want to say you've explained it "exactly" you can only be wrong on purpose.
But hey, whatever helps you sleep at night
Very much LOL at the word Exactly.This is literally the most specific you have gotten:Yes, really what I call an exact explanation 😃You claim the certification is only on the shuffle but not on "the game" (which is evincibly wrong btw but you wouldnt care about evidence)...What "the game" entails in the process of dealing cards or how they use a randomly shuffled fair deck to
Does shilling for online poker sites help you sleep at night?
So you're discussing a rigged deal even if you don't play.....you must be very lonely but that's totally understandable with your shitty personality. Maybe look for some therapy or quit the cocaine (or both?)
Sounds like you're projecting there Slobby 😉
Go back and read my posts. I explained exactly what RNG certification is and what it's not.
Very much LOL at the word Exactly.This is literally the most specific you have gotten:
Yes, really what I call an exact explanation 😃You claim the certification is only on the shuffle but not on "the game" (which is evincibly wrong btw but you wou
Clearly, you're a lawyer for online casinos. But man, you keep repeating the same thing. They're 'certified certified by whom? By a private laboratory that doesn't even have full access to the poker rooms' log files. I mean, their RNG is just as 'honest' as their slot machines are 'not rigged' as if there is no higher RTP given to certain players while others get completely crushed. You're defending a mafia, brother, and I assume you're one of them.
I'm telling you again: only when a government institution takes charge of regulation to check for mathematical anomalies and whether players are constantly getting punished in a patterned way during specific stages of tournaments only then can it be guaranteed that the rooms are honest. Until then, you just play, endure it, and make less than a McDonald's employee. Because the room uses a rigged 'fair play' algorithm just to protect the ecosystem.
In two words: theft.
Here is my graph for 150k hands. I cant find the whole data, because they are on another PC. But the gap between all in abj and net won growing more and more. I remember when I write to regulation the deferent was 15 millions for 500k hands. [image]MANrq8G.png[/im
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Yes thats it.
Clearly ALL the casino's with an RNG certificate are paying me to speak facts about how an RNG works (i must be loaded by now)
Maybe you are actually shills collecting big bucks from online casinos without an RNG certificate trying to downplay that whole situation 🙂
Sounds crazy but thats exactly the mental gymnastics you perform to stick to your baseless views.
I wonder if outside of this debate your view on lack of evidence is different or the same
If police knocks on your door and arrest you, you might ask what you've done wrong
Police says vague things like "who knows whats going on in your life" and you are messing with "the game" without ever clarifying what that entails.. would you think they have a case against you? Would you claim the police have explained it EXACTLY? Probably not right, yet thats all what riggies do.
And both of you refuse to learn how an RNG check is done. They check dealt hands, so if a mathematical anomaly was happening it would show. But the fact that you admit that you make less than a McDonalds employee in poker should maybe be a little clue that you dont understand poker as well as you'd might like. Because there are a lot of us out there who perform a lot better even though that doesnt help the ecosystem they should be protecting at all cost... But hey, maybe every site's RNG just likes me for some reason :p
Yea i've heard them all. Riggies always have endured the most impossible of things but somehow it never shows.
But with all your allegations against the RNG you are defending the RNG-less maffia so I assume you're one of them. This must make perfect sense to you. But by all means, play another 500k hands on site you think is crooked while making less than a McDonalds employee, it just goes to show what a genius you are 😀
Oh and just to give you a lesson in variance (you could have learned this yourself if you werent so busy feeling sorry for yourself)
But hey, this is all just facts and maths.
Those dont mean anything right?
Probably just made up by the evil maths maffia
AMEN! The fact these guys accept 'regulation' in its current 'financial conflict of interest' form, tells you everything you need to know.
Anyone wanting a genuine game of poker online would support proper regulation. The fact they argue against it and indeed, in Slugants case, choose an altogether unregulated site, proves they have an ulterior motive.
Yes thats it.Clearly ALL the casino's with an RNG certificate are paying me to speak facts about how an RNG works (i must be loaded by now)Maybe you are actually shills collecting big bucks from online casinos without an RNG certificate trying to downplay that whole situation 🙂Sounds crazy but thats exactly the mental gymnastics you perform to stick to your baseless views.I wo
You need to criticize your ChatGPT. I don't really get its logic. How late into a tournament do you even have to be to play in a pot worth millions of chips? I think it has to be a massive tournament at the FT (Final Table), and with like 5-6 players left. This gap actually comes mainly from an accumulation of losses not even flips, but straight up bad beats in the mid-stages, when the chips are around 4k or 6k. Honestly, I can prove it. Plus, if it were the way you and your ChatGPT are saying, the yellow line would show a sharp jump instead of smoothly climbing upwards while the green line (net won) goes down.
And wait, all of you defenders are always poker millionaires who insult people that actually have a problem people who expend a massive amount of time and energy into studying and playing. Grinding 6-7-12 hours a day, 5-6 days a week. And yet you insult them, saying they are weak and that’s why they don’t win as much as you, or that they are lazy. Haha. Well, my brother, every single time I post on this forum, no matter what time or what day, you reply within 30 minutes. Wait a second, are you that successful of a player by playing only 10 minutes at a time? Or do you play and post on forums simultaneously? Are you clicking away on DTO or GTO Wizard while analyzing a marked hand, and at the same time hanging out 24/7 on this forum? Something doesn’t add up here. Because I know what I do on the side during a session, or while I'm studying. Nothing, absolutely nothing else. One single mistake and everything goes to hell. But you, the ones blessed by the poker gods, you become millionaires with just 2 minutes of play.
In two words: a mafia with an army across the forums, and probably at the tables too.
