President Donald Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at
Finish writing your book, first.
No shot.
The until-very-recently most powerful country in the world USA cannot even act as if it’s one country. The leader is actively dividing the populace and pitting citizens against each other.
It’s over.
Just like Hitler did. The result was a polarizing war which led to a relatively unified world order. and the creation of the UN.
The irony of the US playing such an influential role in the defeat of Hitler before creating one of their own.
But I don't accept that the current division is a permanent feature. The process of ending the division will probably be quite ugly.
Just like Hitler did. The result was a polarizing war which led to a relatively unified world order. and the creation of the UN.
The irony of the US playing such an influential role in the defeat of Hitler before creating one of their own.
But I don't accept that the current division is a permanent feature. The process of ending the division will probably be quite ugly.
You seem to be suggesting that the world may unite to crush Trump/USA, just like they did 100 years ago with Hitler/Germany. Victor will be so happy!
There's nothing of relevance there above and beyond what I've posted here.
In a nutshell .... we are headed for a civilization ending outcome as a result of routine overconsumption and pollution of scarce globally shared resources.
The only solution which allows human civilization to endure is banning the routine and unnecessary consumption. Such a ban would entail the dismantling of the current monetary based global world order. The only way to maintain a significant share of the current population after shelving the existing system is through UBI.
I don't pretend to advocate on behalf of a utopia or represent myself as a virtuous person. I'm effectively a stubborn bot acting upon a preference for the continuity of human civilization. I would contrast myself with the bots who believe that the human pathway to heaven requires Earthly destruction. I'm anti-rapture.
I would hope to debate people who disagree with my assertion that we are headed toward a civilization ending outcome or debate their alternative proposals for averting such an outcome.
Thus far, there doesn't seem to be a community representative for either of those two positions. You have many people who say that my proposals are too radical to be accepted ..... which is not an unreasonable take. But in the absence of providing any meaningful debate about the two root assertions, those people are effectively representing a capitulation to the end of human civilization.
For sure. There is no way to bring Trumptards back into polite society. They’re out. True Conservatives, yes. They have brains. And skills. We need them.
Trumptard idiots who think Jan6 wasn’t an attack on the government fomented by Trump’s rhetoric, and buy all of Trump’s other toxic bullshit, no. These people are primarily talentless White folks anyhow. No big loss, as jobs swinging a hammer, the only jobs that these dolts are capable of doing, are long gone. And they know it.
For sure. There is no way to bring Trumptards back into polite society. They’re out. True Conservatives, yes. They have brains.
Trumptard idiots who think Jan6 wasn’t an attack on the government fomented by Trump’s rhetoric, no.
I'm not a MAGA Trumper. But I try to put the Jan 6 attacks on the government into a broader biological context.
It can be said that the North attacked the Confederate government institution of slavery.
It can be said that Gandhi attacked the British government institution of colonial rule.
It can be said that the Russian Revolution attacked the monarch government of the czar.
The US Congress is an institution with something like 20% public approval. It is no longer representative of average citizen interests and is completely captured by large financial interests. The "democratic" process available to citizens which might result in a peaceful overthrow of that institution is not realistically available. The large financial interests control everything about American society.
An attempt at a violent overthrow of such a government in such circumstances is to be expected.
90 years ago at the Democratic National Convention, FDR made the famous comments about welcoming the hate of those who would have a government run by organized money. There is no place for someone like him in the Democratic Party establishment of today. It can't be more obvious about how much animosity the Obama's, Clinton's and Pelosi's of the world have for an FDR wannabe like Bernie Sanders.
If you want to look at the root cause of the Jan 6th attacks, look at the elitists who have taken control of the Democratic establishment.
Nut Nut isn't MAGA. He simply thinks a benevolent dictatorship is the best way out of this. If he himself must don the role of an enlightened Cincinnatus, then so be it.
I'm not a MAGA Trumper. But I try to put the Jan 6 attacks on the government into a broader biological context. It can be said that the North attacked the Confederate government institution of slavery.It can be said that Gandhi attacked the British government institution of colonial rule. It can be said that the Russian Revolution attacked the monarch government of the czar. Th
OMG stfu with all that bullshit.
The idiots who stormed the capital have no understanding of how the government works. They’re uneducated fools. They just know that they don’t have all the things they want in this world, and Trump gave them an outlet for their incompetence-fueled anger with their position in life.
Trump is the straw that stirred the Jan6 drink. None of that **** happens without his toxic rhetoric emboldening these losers. And it’s not even close. The rest is just bullshit obfuscation and excuse making.
You seem to be suggesting that the world may unite to crush Trump/USA, just like they did 100 years ago with Hitler/Germany. Victor will be so happy!
The USA is effectively uncrushable. It's leaders have access to overwhelming WMD's.
I am suggesting that the financial dominion which currently animates the American government will collapse as the result of the loss of its political legitimacy. Too many American citizens will be at the blunt end of inequality and environmental destruction to maintain the social fabric.
America will collapse under its own weight.
Yeah sure thing, bud. How stupid of me to think that a scumbag who denies that Trump and Maga are behind Jan 6th could be Maga. 🙄
The USA is effectively uncrushable. It's leaders have access to overwhelming WMD's. I am suggesting that the financial dominion which currently animates the American government will collapse as the result of the loss of its political legitimacy. Too many American citizens will be at the blunt end of inequality and environmental destruction to maintain the social fabric. Americ
If you’re saying that eventually the wealth concentration at the top will eventually cause the have nots to rise up and tear it all down, I tend to agree.
And Trump and the stupid mother****ers who supported him have accelerated that process.
Yeah sure thing, bud. How stupid of me to think that a scumbag who denies that Trump and Maga are behind Jan 6th could be Maga. 🙄
He's definitely an enabler with his rhetoric. But MAGA doesn't give a **** about climate change, the one thing he's consistently obsessed with.
Yeah sure thing, bud. How stupid of me to think that a scumbag who denies that Trump and Maga are behind Jan 6th could be Maga.🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄 🙄
OMG stfu with all that bullshit. The idiots who stormed the capital have no understanding of how the government works. They’re uneducated fools. They just know that they don’t have all the things they want in this world, and Trump gave them an outlet for their incompetence-fueled anger with their position in life.Trump is the straw that stirred the Jan6 drink. None of that
You can call it bullshit if you want.
I think bullshit is representing the ability to read minds as you are doing with respect to claiming the level of knowledge of the people who attacked the capitol.
People "not having all the things they want in this world" has great historical precedent as being a rationale for revolution.
Slaves didn't have freedom. Russians didn't have enough to eat. Indians were second class citizens in their own country.
The US Congress popularity rating hovers around 20% for a reason. It is a failed institution which requires a revolutionary reset. I prefer a peaceful reset to a violent one.
Trump is just the avatar for a great mass of people who are angry and want to destroy the current paradigm.
Magas love doubling down on their stupid takes lol.
He's definitely an enabler with his rhetoric. But MAGA doesn't give a **** about climate change, the one thing he's consistently obsessed with.
You're right about that.
But the Democratic establishment also does not give a **** about climate change.
Clinton - Gore gave us the Kyoto Protocol but it was unanimously in the US Senate. A performative gesture that not even a single Democratic Senator could support.
Obama gave us the Paris Accord. An empty toothless agreement which provided zero commitment or international jurisdiction. Meanwhile, US fracking made the nation the world's largest fossil fuel producer during his tenure.
Climate change and the fundamental corruption of the US government leading to malignant inequality are two distinct issues. We can walk and chew gum at the same time.
It means that representatives of neither of the two parties available to American voters support the regulatory limits on pollution necessary to preserve human civilization. You don't have the option of voting for the environmentally regulatory regime you claim you would vote for. What I am proposing is unique in its willingness and feasibility to preserve human civilization an
I'm not sure why you believe that I am so antagonistic toward environmental regulation. Would I vote for exactly the environmental policies that you are proposing? Almost certainly not. I have grave concerns about the unintended consequences of some of the policies you are proposing (like the total ban on commercial air travel). And I value actually achieving results far more than I value ideological purity.
That said, on a personal level, would I be in favor of energetic public policies that aimed to drastically reduce U.S. reliance on from fossil fuels, reduce meat consumption to more sustainable levels, encourage use of public transportation over private cars, significantly reduce consumer use of disposable plastic, etc.? The answer is generally yes, even if those policies reduced my standard of living in the immediate term. But I am not living close to the margins of the society, and I have no personal stake in any of the sectors that would be most immediately affected by those policy changes. It is quite a bit easier for me to say yes to that question than it would be for a lot of people.
I'm not a MAGAT.
I'm just interested in evolutionary biology. Nature is nothing if not a wonderful editor. It weeds out traits that have no survival purpose.
The question needs to be asked ..... which environmental conditions have given rise to MAGA tribalism ?
I have grave concerns about the unintended consequences of some of the policies you are proposing (like the total ban on commercial air travel).
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Grave concerns about a ban on commercial air travel ???
That comes across like the utterance of a drama queen ..... but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt about how a 300,000 y/o species on a 4.5 billion y/o planet should shudder at the thought of giving up a toxic luxury that has existed for a single century.
I am curious to investigate the demons which possess your imagination. Please share your "grave concerns".
I think bullshit is representing the ability to read minds as you are doing with respect to claiming the level of knowledge of the people who attacked the capitol.
No one can read minds, but you are closer to drawing tenuous inferences than most posters here are.
Most people look at the situation as follows. They know that right wing media was firehosing people with misinformation about how the election was stolen. They know that President Trump was spewing nonsense constantly about how the election was stolen. They know that the nominal purpose of the gathering at the Capitol was to "stop the steal." Based on these facts, most people have drawn the common sense conclusion that the majority of people who stormed the Capitol were spun up by the media and the Trump administration about how the 2020 election was stolen.
You are the person who is grasping for deeper biological explanations for what strikes most people as a relatively simple event to understand.
Grave concerns about a ban on commercial air travel ???That comes across like the utterance of a drama queen ..... but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt about how a 300,000 y/o species on a 4.5 billion y/o planet should shudder at the thought of giving up a toxic luxury that has existed for a single century. I am curious to investigate the demons which possess your imagina
As someone else pointed out, for business purposes, replacing commercial air travel with other means of transportation could end up being far more fossil fuel intensive than you imagine. And for better or worse, air travel has made the world more global. It has made the world smaller. It has encouraged an understanding that we all live on the same planet. It has greatly facilitated immigration. Interaction with people of different cultures is an antidote (albeit an imperfect antidote) to small mindedness. Phenomenons like MAGA feed off of small mindedness.
And it is a little rich for you to accuse others of being drama queens. Virtually all of your posts in the last year have been intended to convince people that humans will go extinct in the very near term unless we adopt exactly the policies that you are advocating for. That is about as drama-rich an interpretation of the world as anyone could offer.
