The "LOLCANADA" thread...again

The "LOLCANADA" thread...again

So what's new?

I've noticed the Liberals are now ahead in all major polls and Trudeau hasn't even started to campaign yet

11 July 2019 at 07:31 PM
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by lozen

The funny thing about events like the World Cup all of a sudden Vancouver cleans up the homelessness and open drug use till the event ends than it no longer can do it .

Same thing happens in the USA. L.A. will become a clean, almost homeless-free paradise just in time for the 2027 Super Bowl, then will return to being a cesspool a week after the Super Bowl crowds have gone back home.


by uke_master

So bizarre how you shine your outrage from issue to issue. Like 4 seconds of googling reveals the issues:

To try and blame this on "communists" it's just like lmao wtf

The pipe will be repaired by July and the reservoirs are full never should a city that gets rain 169 days be on wYer restrictions


by geezerchess

Same thing happens in the USA. L.A. will become a clean, almost homeless-free paradise just in time for the 2027 Super Bowl, then will return to being a cesspool a week after the Super Bowl crowds have gone back home.

My question still is if you can clean it up for 3-4 weeks why not permanently


by lozen

The pipe will be repaired by July and the reservoirs are full never should a city that gets rain 169 days be on wYer restrictions

lmao this is so pathetic. As quoted, the issue is a very low snowpack this year, i.e. the thing that refills the reservoirs over the summer. Like wtf you aren't some water expert, so just lmao at trying to arm chair quarterback that this is all the fault of a community city council.


by lozen

My question still is if you can clean it up for 3-4 weeks why not permanently

Would you be willing to fund the initiatives put in place for 3-4 weeks permanently?


by lozen

My question still is if you can clean it up for 3-4 weeks why not permanently

Because they have to go somewhere and LOL America likes dropping bombs more than taking care of each other.


by uke_master

Poll results are a direct answer to your question: "How's the Elbow up! crowd doing today?". You have this belief that time has proven the lie of a campaign slogan - but this crowd doesn't seem to agree with you. They still think Carney is much much better than Poilievre on this file.

No it isn't. Only if you look at it from the point of view that it was about winning elections and not what's best for Canadians.

by uke_master

At this point I think you've said Elbows up more than Carney ever did! My goodness. No, Shifty, people were and remain absolutely outraged by what Trump did. An effective politician would manage to tap into that genuine outrage. But also anyone who listened to more than one mike myers commerical quickly picked up the Carney has more than a two word approach no matter how well i

Oh please enlightened me, what is the significant policy depth?

by uke_master

Right. It sucks. Trump shows zero indication of relenting his attacks on Canada. From what glimmers we have seen Carney was either going to have to give up the farm in a terrible for Canada capitulation for a "deal", or he could try and wait it out relying on the existing CUSMA protections that give Canada in some ways better deals than other countries. It's hard to evaluate -

This isn't new, it's not like Canada hasn't already negotiated with Trump and USA before. It's not like Trump is new, he's been the most talked about person in politics for over a decade and in the public eye since the 80's.


by Shifty86

No it isn't. Only if you look at it from the point of view that it was about winning elections and not what's best for Canadians.

LMAO. Well Carney is absolutely what is best for Canadians compared to your guy. As the "Elbow's up" crowd clearly still thinks, since you asked. You have this stupid viewpoint that misconstrued a campaign slogan from a comedy mike myers ad as being disproved a year later. But it doesn't seem as if anyone else gives a **** and they still support Carney.

Why do you keep droning on about Elbow's up but not SECURE THE BORDER from fentanyl which was your chant of that era? Is it just because your buddy Trump forgot about it and so you did to? What's he onto now, oh right it was human trafficking that was the new faux pretext for the latest tariffs.

by Shifty86

This isn't new, it's not like Canada hasn't already negotiated with Trump and USA before. It's not like Trump is new, he's been the most talked about person in politics for over a decade and in the public eye since the 80's.

Right. Yet, it is different. For example, Trudeau did by all accounts an excellent job in the original CUSMA negotiations with Trump. Similarly, Trump tried steel and aluminium tariffs that lasted for less than a year before the pain on America was too great and they were removed. Basically Trump term 1 was bad for America and bad for the world, but Trump term 2 is objectively much much worse. For whatever reason he is causing far more harm - specifically to Canada - and looking less likely to make a "deal" than before. You can try to blame this on anybody but Trump if you wish, but there is one person responsible for this.


The new food strategy has some interesting elements to it. This bit about focusing on major food hub distribution centers so it is easier for smaller grocers than the big 5 to purchase from farmers without the middleman profit going all to loblaws...ya very interesting.


by lozen

My question still is if you can clean it up for 3-4 weeks why not permanently

I have the same question. My guess is it's easier and cheaper to temporarily relocate the homeless rather than formulate and execute a plan that actually might help the homeless become non-homeless.


by prairiebreeze

Because they have to go somewhere and LOL America likes dropping bombs more than taking care of each other.

While I agree with the sentiment of this post, there is far more to it than that.

And more than half of Americans (per polling) seem to oppose the current bombing operations.


No.

The "homeless" industry in Los Angeles (and other big blue cities on the West Coast) is a giant bureaucracy whose main goal is to feed itself. The homeless people are necessary props to justify the bureaucracy. The truth is only a tiny % of the resources spent on the industry actually go to the homeless.

Although there are some transient, down on their luck homeless people who eventually get back on their feet; the truth is most of the homeless are anti-social people (normally due to some combination of drugs abuse and psychiatric disorder) who are actually perfectly content subsiding on the margins of society.

So it is kind of a win win. The homeless bureacracy uses the homeless population as a prop to sustain itself, while the homeless people are given enough resources to subside (which is a tiny amount the homeless bureaucracy brings in) while mainly being left alone to engage in the anti-social lifestyle of their choosing.

And on rare occasions the big blue city machine decides they need to temporarily relocate the homeless, so they can host an event without the eyesore and antisocial dysfunction of the homeless population; but the second the event is over they are moved right back to feed the machine.


by Dunyain

No.The "homeless" industry in Los Angeles (and other big blue cities on the West Coast) is a giant bureaucracy whose main goal is to feed itself. The homeless people are necessary props to justify the bureaucracy. The truth is only a tiny % of the resources spent on the industry actually go to the homeless.Although there are some transient, down on their luck homeless people

THIS!!!

It's well-known that literally billons of dollars of government spending that was supposed to go to fighting homelessness in California are unaccounted for.

There are essentially ZERO problems than can be solved by government spending alone.


One reason there will probably never be a cancer cure available to the general public is that treating folks with cancer is far more lucrative than curing it.

During fundraisers dating back to the Jerry Lewis Telethons, we're promised over and over again that a cure for MD is "just around the corner."

Been hearing that for about 40 years.


by geezerchess

One reason there will probably never be a cancer cure available to the general public is that treating folks with cancer is far more lucrative than curing it.

During fundraisers dating back to the Jerry Lewis Telethons, we're promised over and over again that a cure for MD is "just around the corner."

Been hearing that for about 40 years.

Meh. I studied/worked in the medical research field for decades. This is way too cynical. I would say it would be more accurate to say that medical researchers over promise results to get funding*, which is why there is often a disconnect between rhetoric and results.

*I dont blame them for this. It has to do with how the incentive structures in the medical research community are designed. Most of the funding for medical research ultimately comes from public spending, and is allocated in large part for political reasons; so you have to act like a politician and "over-promise" to get funding.

Lay people also dont understand that the cellular processes that eventually result in cancer (cellular damage) are naturally occurring and inevitable; so you cant really cure it and even expectations for treating it should be tempered by biological realities. But again, the incentive structures are such that scientists/doctors aren't incentivized to acknowledge or communicate it to the public.

Same as homeless industry bureaucrats aren't really incentivized to admit most of the funding just goes to feed the machine; and many homeless people are beyond real help.


by Dunyain

Meh. I studied/worked in the medical research field for decades. This is way too cynical. I would say it would be more accurate to say that medical researchers over promise results to get funding*, which is why there is often a disconnect between rhetoric and results. *I dont blame them for this. It has to do with how the incentive structures in the medical research commun

"Over-promising" = Lying.

That said, what you say here makes sense.

But, do you agree with my claim that treating cancer patients is far more lucrative for the Medical-Industrial Complex than curing cancer patients?


by geezerchess

"Over-promising" = Lying.

That said, what you say here makes sense.

But, do you agree with my claim that treating cancer patients is far more lucrative for the Medical-Industrial Complex than curing cancer patients?

I agree its the sole reason that we no longer treat the trans identity as a mental health issue as there is so much money in the drugs

On the Immigration front two men convicted in BC on murder and it was revealed they were here on student visas and one never attended a class . Sad to see the Toronto cop killed as well we can only speculate on that as well


by Dunyain

the truth is most of the homeless are anti-social people (normally due to some combination of drugs abuse and psychiatric disorder)

I am never quite sure why people say things like this. Yes, unhoused people typically struggle from one of multiple challenges such a substance use or psychiatric disorders. So what? I've never quite understood how this is a mark against lifting a finger to try and support them.


by lozen

I agree its the sole reason that we no longer treat the trans identity as a mental health issue as there is so much money in the drugs

Cool conspiracy theory bro. If you go to the doctor in Canada for literally any other issue, do you just presume the doctor is lying to you about what is best based on a conspiracy theory they are just lying to you for drug money?


by uke_master

Cool conspiracy theory bro. If you go to the doctor in Canada for literally any other issue, do you just presume the doctor is lying to you about what is best based on a conspiracy theory they are just lying to you for drug money?

I am more talking about the USA . You do not think doctors are enticed to prescribe certain brands of medication?


by lozen

I am more talking about the USA . You do not think doctors are enticed to prescribe certain brands of medication?

Don't be this pathetic. You said this:

I agree its the sole reason that we no longer treat the trans identity as a mental health issue as there is so much money in the drugs

You said the sole reason. Sure the US system is shitty with perverse incentives industry wide. But to try and denigrate trans health issues - and ONLY trans health issues - as the "sole reason" being all about money is fundamentally rejecting that any doctor and patient could decide this was genuinely in their best interest. Imagine you said the sole reason we give cancer patient chemotherapy is there is so much money in the drugs. Do you see how ****ing stupid that sounds? It's using the veneer of a real issue to amp it up a thousand fold and apply it at your culture war target. It is absolutely pathetic.


by uke_master

Don't be this pathetic. You said this:You said the sole reason. Sure the US system is shitty with perverse incentives industry wide. But to try and denigrate trans health issues - and ONLY trans health issues - as the "sole reason" being all about money is fundamentally rejecting that any doctor and patient could decide this was genuinely in their best interest. Imagine you sai

You do not think big Pharma in Canada sees the money in it. Pathetic is any parent that would give their child life altering drugs that will castrate them when they are not capable of making the decisions

Pathetic is the fact that Canada is one of three countries in the world to allow drug advertising on TV and Radio and what is worse they do not tell you what the drug does . A prime example Ozempic which does have a place but not at the rate we see it


Do you have this conspiracy theory that doctors are lying to their patients for drug money when they recommend chemotherapy for cancer?

Or is your conspiracy theory ONLY targeted towards trans people?


by geezerchess

"Over-promising" = Lying.

That said, what you say here makes sense.

But, do you agree with my claim that treating cancer patients is far more lucrative for the Medical-Industrial Complex than curing cancer patients?

No. The fact you are even making such a statement indicates you have no real understanding of cancer, human biology, or medical research.


by uke_master

Do you have this conspiracy theory that doctors are lying to their patients for drug money when they recommend chemotherapy for cancer?

Or is your conspiracy theory ONLY targeted towards trans people?

Im not talking about cancer I bring up medications such as Ozempic and the Gender affirming Meds . Cancer is a disease are you saying being trans is a disease ?

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